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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
16. The simple problem my friend is this
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:13 AM
Jun 2014

The purpose of DU is to support the Democratic Party. It is not to expound upon the values of Liberal/Progressive thought. It is not to discuss core principles. That is problem number one.

Many of those who bandy the words around (I am guilty of using authoritarian to describe the defenders of the indefensible NSA spying) usually use them to scare someone back into line regarding the Democratic Party position. We can support the 4th Amendment, until that support runs counter to supporting the Democratic Party, then we are a problem. Then we support the Libertarians who have been raised since birth to oppose President Obama.

The problem I have with that should be obvious after a couple thousand posts. It smacks of empty minds. Because to take that approach, that the Party must come first no matter what means adopting one of two philosophies. Option 1) My party is always right. This is so obviously juvenile that it doesn't deserve any serious consideration, but look again and see how often people defend the indefensible with variations of that juvenile argument.

Option 2) My party right, or wrong. That is infamous. That should be flushed down a toilet where it can join similar sentiments utterly rejected by history. But again, you will see arguments based upon these philosophical principles. We must oppose the GOP and stand for something asinine because if we don't the GOP wins. A perfect example of this is the arguments that if President Obama had not authorized the totally ineffective and unconstitutional NSA bulk collection programs then he would have been blamed if any attacks had happened for not doing enough. That is a perfect example of my party right or wrong.

So the labels of libertarian and other things are cudgels to shake at us to get us back in line where the party is always right. Or perhaps the Party right or wring. But party loyalty first and foremost.

I've taken that test a few times over the years. The_Commonist Jun 2014 #1
I've also done it a few times, always in the green tularetom Jun 2014 #2
What is called "libertarian" here could be better classified as respect for basic human rights. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #9
Yeah, I'm always near -7 & -7. "Libertarian" is a slur in DU... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #19
Thanks to Ron Paul and his calf head son, Libertarian, with the big L, is taking a beating. Whisp Jun 2014 #20
I still like the terms "civil libertarian" and "economic progressive," Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #22
I agree with your overall point that the terms authoritarian and libertarian are overused on DU stevenleser Jun 2014 #3
Not sure why you believe this test gives an accurate or meaningful result. winter is coming Jun 2014 #4
"probably still skews that way" is an unjustified assumption of yours muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #5
Whoosh. winter is coming Jun 2014 #7
I never said there was anything 'off-base' about putting them upper-right muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #15
You're right. I should have dug a little deeper before commenting. winter is coming Jun 2014 #18
Do you really think Obama took this test or the pope Johonny Jun 2014 #36
developed by a leftist British social historian and political journalist carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #11
I don't think so LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #12
I do wish they had defined the terms instead of merely using them. winter is coming Jun 2014 #14
I was a political compass quiz virgin... DreamGypsy Jun 2014 #8
Good point about "strongly" term. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #21
In the UK, 'libertarian' used to mean civil libertarian, and economic libertarianism was called LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #10
It's the same in the US. What we have here is an intersection of ignorance and duplicity. Romulox Jun 2014 #31
Economic -7.5; Social -6.82 LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #13
The simple problem my friend is this Savannahmann Jun 2014 #16
all good points, thanks, perhaps "authoritarian" implies more consistency than is appropriate carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #28
A little to the left & a touch more "libertarian" than Gandhi... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #17
That's a fascinating ngram. woo me with science Jun 2014 #23
thanks, inspired by your previous posts about "authoritarian" as a term carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #24
Ah yes, the Nolan chart, again. ucrdem Jun 2014 #25
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #26
Lefty me damnedifIknow Jun 2014 #27
Hrm. have I changed? I moved further left? Xyzse Jun 2014 #29
Same place as always MicaelS Jun 2014 #30
Left Libertarian hack89 Jun 2014 #32
So many DUers tend toward that top right quadrant. Can't we just ban the word "authoritarian"? nt Romulox Jun 2014 #33
Economic Left/Right: -9.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.97 frylock Jun 2014 #34
Everytime I take it, I end up somewhere between -9.50 and -10.00 on both axes. NuclearDem Jun 2014 #35
About what I expected opiate69 Jun 2014 #37
Libertarian in the U.S. is RIGHT-WING kfreed Aug 2014 #38
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