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In reply to the discussion: Chomsky:The White House seems determined to demolish the foundations of our civil liberties" [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)87. People
I don't know if you are player or just getting played
but about that link to the other tread you posted, it's like after all these years hasn't anybody seen the pattern here? POTUS says one thing and at the same time is taking in offers of water-down or twisted versions of the same things he said he wasn't going to do.
Color me stupid if you want, but, until the stuff gets really deep or there is an upending in our major forms of governance, nothing concerning just about everything that most of what government does will be getting done for the betterment of the People's life
but about that link to the other tread you posted, it's like after all these years hasn't anybody seen the pattern here? POTUS says one thing and at the same time is taking in offers of water-down or twisted versions of the same things he said he wasn't going to do.
Color me stupid if you want, but, until the stuff gets really deep or there is an upending in our major forms of governance, nothing concerning just about everything that most of what government does will be getting done for the betterment of the People's life
...see whatever "pattern" fits their narrative, and many don't seem to be paying attention. I see the same pattern the ACLU has seen.
ACLU Statement on President's Guantánamo Comments
NEW YORK At a press briefing today, President Obama restated his belief that the prison at Guantánamo should be closed. Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, responded to the president's comments by detailing immediate actions the president could take.
"We welcome the president's continuing commitment to closing Guantánamo and putting an end to the indefinite detention regime there," Romero said. "There are two things the president should do. One is to appoint a senior point person so that the administration's Guantánamo closure policy is directed by the White House and not by Pentagon bureaucrats. The president can also order the secretary of defense to start certifying for transfer detainees who have been cleared, which is more than half the Guantánamo population."
"There's more to be done, but these are the two essential first steps the president can take now to break the Guantánamo logjam," Romero said. "We couldn't agree more with President Obama's statement that the 'idea that we would still maintain forever a group of individuals who have not been tried that is contrary to who we are, it is contrary to our interests, and it needs to stop.'"
http://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform-human-rights-national-security-prisoners-rights/aclu-statement-presidents
NEW YORK At a press briefing today, President Obama restated his belief that the prison at Guantánamo should be closed. Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, responded to the president's comments by detailing immediate actions the president could take.
"We welcome the president's continuing commitment to closing Guantánamo and putting an end to the indefinite detention regime there," Romero said. "There are two things the president should do. One is to appoint a senior point person so that the administration's Guantánamo closure policy is directed by the White House and not by Pentagon bureaucrats. The president can also order the secretary of defense to start certifying for transfer detainees who have been cleared, which is more than half the Guantánamo population."
"There's more to be done, but these are the two essential first steps the president can take now to break the Guantánamo logjam," Romero said. "We couldn't agree more with President Obama's statement that the 'idea that we would still maintain forever a group of individuals who have not been tried that is contrary to who we are, it is contrary to our interests, and it needs to stop.'"
http://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform-human-rights-national-security-prisoners-rights/aclu-statement-presidents
ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantánamo
WASHINGTON President Obama today appointed lawyer Clifford Sloan as the State Department's special envoy in charge of closing the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
"The appointment of a new envoy at the State Department for closing Guantánamo puts in place one of the last pieces of the puzzle for getting the prison closed," said Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "The president now has ordered the restart of transfers out of Guantánamo, lifted the moratorium on transfers to Yemen, and appointed top officials at the White House and State Department to get it done. Once President Obama makes the necessary appointment at the Pentagon to begin transferring detainees out of Guantánamo, he should immediately begin doing so. With more than half of the detainees already cleared for transfer or release, and dozens more being held without ever being charged or tried, it's time to start sending these men home."
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo
WASHINGTON President Obama today appointed lawyer Clifford Sloan as the State Department's special envoy in charge of closing the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
"The appointment of a new envoy at the State Department for closing Guantánamo puts in place one of the last pieces of the puzzle for getting the prison closed," said Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "The president now has ordered the restart of transfers out of Guantánamo, lifted the moratorium on transfers to Yemen, and appointed top officials at the White House and State Department to get it done. Once President Obama makes the necessary appointment at the Pentagon to begin transferring detainees out of Guantánamo, he should immediately begin doing so. With more than half of the detainees already cleared for transfer or release, and dozens more being held without ever being charged or tried, it's time to start sending these men home."
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo
ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantanamo Bay Detention Facility
WASHINGTON Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel today appointed Paul Lewis as the special envoy for closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. In his new position, Lewis will work with the State Department on transferring detainees out of the prison to other countries.
Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLUs Washington Legislative Office, had this comment:
"The American Civil Liberties Union is pleased that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel has filled the important position of Defense Department envoy for closing the Guantanamo detention facility. We had been concerned about the lengthy delay in filling this critical job that the president ordered created as part of his National Defense University speech in May, said Anders. Paul Lewis has three decades of experience working on national security and rule of law issues at the highest levels of government. In his new position, he will play a critical role in carrying out the presidents commitment to close Guantanamo for good."
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo-bay-detention-facility
WASHINGTON Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel today appointed Paul Lewis as the special envoy for closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. In his new position, Lewis will work with the State Department on transferring detainees out of the prison to other countries.
Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLUs Washington Legislative Office, had this comment:
"The American Civil Liberties Union is pleased that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel has filled the important position of Defense Department envoy for closing the Guantanamo detention facility. We had been concerned about the lengthy delay in filling this critical job that the president ordered created as part of his National Defense University speech in May, said Anders. Paul Lewis has three decades of experience working on national security and rule of law issues at the highest levels of government. In his new position, he will play a critical role in carrying out the presidents commitment to close Guantanamo for good."
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo-bay-detention-facility
Senate Eases Transfer Restrictions for Guantánamo Detainees
WASHINGTON The Senate late last night passed the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2014, which will ease transfer restrictions for detainees currently held at the military detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, most of whom have been held without charge or trial for over a decade. The bill, which passed the House of Representatives last week, cleared the Senate by a vote of 84-15. The improved transfer provisions were sponsored by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin and were strongly supported by the White House and the Defense Department.
"This is a big step forward for meeting the goal of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention. For the first time ever, Congress is making it easier, rather than harder, for the Defense Department to close Guantánamo and this win only happened because the White House and Defense Secretary worked hand in hand with the leadership of the congressional committees," said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLUs Washington Legislative Office. "After years of a blame-game between Congress and the White House, both worked together to clear away obstacles to transferring out of Guantánamo the vast majority of detainees who have never been charged with a crime."
The current population at Guantánamo stands at 158 detainees, approximately half of whom were cleared for transfer to their home or third-party countries by U.S. national security officials four years ago. Also, periodic review boards have recently started reviews of detainees who have not been charged with a crime and had not been cleared in the earlier reviews. While the legislation eases the transfer restrictions for sending detainees to countries abroad, it continues to prohibit the transfer of detainees to the United States for any reason, including for trial or medical emergencies.
"There has been a sea change on the Guantánamo issue, both in Congress and at the White House. With the presidents renewed commitment to closing it, and the support of Congress, there now is reason to hope that the job of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention can get done before the president leaves office," said Anders. "As big as this win is, there is more work left to be done. The Defense Department has to use the new transfer provisions to step up transfers out of Guantánamo, and Congress needs to remove the remaining ban on using federal criminal courts to try detainees."
President Obama is expected to sign the defense bill into law before the end of the year.
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/senate-eases-transfer-restrictions-guantanamo-detainees
WASHINGTON The Senate late last night passed the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2014, which will ease transfer restrictions for detainees currently held at the military detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, most of whom have been held without charge or trial for over a decade. The bill, which passed the House of Representatives last week, cleared the Senate by a vote of 84-15. The improved transfer provisions were sponsored by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin and were strongly supported by the White House and the Defense Department.
"This is a big step forward for meeting the goal of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention. For the first time ever, Congress is making it easier, rather than harder, for the Defense Department to close Guantánamo and this win only happened because the White House and Defense Secretary worked hand in hand with the leadership of the congressional committees," said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLUs Washington Legislative Office. "After years of a blame-game between Congress and the White House, both worked together to clear away obstacles to transferring out of Guantánamo the vast majority of detainees who have never been charged with a crime."
The current population at Guantánamo stands at 158 detainees, approximately half of whom were cleared for transfer to their home or third-party countries by U.S. national security officials four years ago. Also, periodic review boards have recently started reviews of detainees who have not been charged with a crime and had not been cleared in the earlier reviews. While the legislation eases the transfer restrictions for sending detainees to countries abroad, it continues to prohibit the transfer of detainees to the United States for any reason, including for trial or medical emergencies.
"There has been a sea change on the Guantánamo issue, both in Congress and at the White House. With the presidents renewed commitment to closing it, and the support of Congress, there now is reason to hope that the job of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention can get done before the president leaves office," said Anders. "As big as this win is, there is more work left to be done. The Defense Department has to use the new transfer provisions to step up transfers out of Guantánamo, and Congress needs to remove the remaining ban on using federal criminal courts to try detainees."
President Obama is expected to sign the defense bill into law before the end of the year.
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/senate-eases-transfer-restrictions-guantanamo-detainees
U.S. Moves Closer to Closing Guantanamo Bay
By Julian E. Barnes
WASHINGTONThe Pentagon said it has transferred the last three ethnic Uighur Chinese nationals from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Slovakia in what it called "a significant milestone in our effort to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay."
Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said in a written statement that Yusef Abbas, Saidullah Khalik and Hajiakbar Abdul Ghuper are "voluntarily resettling in Slovakia," leaving 155 detainees at Guantanamo.
The three men were the last of 22 ethnic Uighurs captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and ordered released from Guantanamo under an Oct. 7, 2008, federal court ruling. The 22 men have ended up being resettled to six different countries, the Pentagon said.
Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel for advocacy group Human Rights Watch, said the transfer was an important moment. "The Uighurs had nothing to do with any conflict with the United States," she said. "It is a stark symbol of what was wrong with Guantanamo, with what was wrong with just sweeping people up and detaining them in an offshore facility."
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http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304361604579292270871879140
By Julian E. Barnes
WASHINGTONThe Pentagon said it has transferred the last three ethnic Uighur Chinese nationals from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Slovakia in what it called "a significant milestone in our effort to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay."
Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said in a written statement that Yusef Abbas, Saidullah Khalik and Hajiakbar Abdul Ghuper are "voluntarily resettling in Slovakia," leaving 155 detainees at Guantanamo.
The three men were the last of 22 ethnic Uighurs captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and ordered released from Guantanamo under an Oct. 7, 2008, federal court ruling. The 22 men have ended up being resettled to six different countries, the Pentagon said.
Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel for advocacy group Human Rights Watch, said the transfer was an important moment. "The Uighurs had nothing to do with any conflict with the United States," she said. "It is a stark symbol of what was wrong with Guantanamo, with what was wrong with just sweeping people up and detaining them in an offshore facility."
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http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304361604579292270871879140
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Fortunately and finally, at the end of 2013, the Uighurs--a persecuted religious minority from China--have left Guantanamo.
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/free-uighurs
Fortunately and finally, at the end of 2013, the Uighurs--a persecuted religious minority from China--have left Guantanamo.
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/free-uighurs
Uruguay agrees to U.S. request to take some Guantanamo inmates
MONTEVIDEO (Reuters) - Uruguay has agreed with the United States to accept some prisoners held in the much-criticized detention center at the U.S. military base of Guantanamo Bay, President Jose Mujica said on Thursday.
The Obama administration, which wants to close the center used to imprison people captured after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, has been talking to several countries about relocating inmates.
The South American country had accepted the request by Washington to take some prisoners and would consider them refugees, Mujica told journalists while attending an unrelated farming event.
"It's a request for human rights reasons," Mujica said.
Mujica said Obama "has asked a bunch of countries if they can take some and I told him yes."
Weekly newspaper Busqueda reported that Uruguay had accepted a U.S. proposal to take five detainees from the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba base for two years. The 78-year-old ex-guerrilla Mujica agreed after speaking to Cuban President Raul Castro and sending delegates to visit the detention center, the report said.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/us-uruguay-guantanamo-idUSBREA2J1Z220140320
MONTEVIDEO (Reuters) - Uruguay has agreed with the United States to accept some prisoners held in the much-criticized detention center at the U.S. military base of Guantanamo Bay, President Jose Mujica said on Thursday.
The Obama administration, which wants to close the center used to imprison people captured after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, has been talking to several countries about relocating inmates.
The South American country had accepted the request by Washington to take some prisoners and would consider them refugees, Mujica told journalists while attending an unrelated farming event.
"It's a request for human rights reasons," Mujica said.
Mujica said Obama "has asked a bunch of countries if they can take some and I told him yes."
Weekly newspaper Busqueda reported that Uruguay had accepted a U.S. proposal to take five detainees from the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba base for two years. The 78-year-old ex-guerrilla Mujica agreed after speaking to Cuban President Raul Castro and sending delegates to visit the detention center, the report said.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/us-uruguay-guantanamo-idUSBREA2J1Z220140320
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Chomsky:The White House seems determined to demolish the foundations of our civil liberties" [View all]
Oilwellian
Jun 2014
OP
It's been smoke and mirrors for so long. They really don't care what 'We the People' think one iota.
Mnemosyne
Jun 2014
#17
It is now called 'Creative Speculation', under Offbeat listing. It is bad there. nt
Mnemosyne
Jun 2014
#47
I read you there, Bill! I never comment anymore or I would be banned. Strange though, how the same
Mnemosyne
Jun 2014
#66
It HAS failed, a majority of people do not believe the official story of 9/11. I don't know why
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#67
Less was spent investigating 9/11 than Clinton's penis. I consider 9/11 the culmination of PNAC's
Mnemosyne
Jun 2014
#110
Chomsky minces no words in conveying the gravity of what our government is perpetrating in radical
indepat
Jun 2014
#5
Do you think we need to worry about the uncontrolled power of the NSA/CIA security state? nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#12
Well from what I know of conservatives, they either love the heavy handed security state or, they
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#123
What would you know about "the vast majority of Democrats"? By your own admission,
Marr
Jun 2014
#77
the reason you get challenged on it is b/c the phrase is a Rove-ism, and as he goes on to say...
nashville_brook
Jun 2014
#52
You've made some rather creative, yet unsupported allegations about Chomsky...
LanternWaste
Jun 2014
#72
You left out a word. Let me fix it for you: Anti-American POLICIES. In the real world, there is a
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#70
Ironic that you should point that out in the one place it doesn't apply...
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2014
#115
those who cite "BBWW" (but bush was worse) don't seem very cognizant or even interested, really
nashville_brook
Jun 2014
#16
Bet you real money that Poppy's network STILL has more control over the intellignce community
Demeter
Jun 2014
#20
i completely agree -- short of real action on this, it's the only conclusion that can be made.
nashville_brook
Jun 2014
#41
I spend little time here anymore because of the, so aptly put, bifurcation. nt
snappyturtle
Jun 2014
#39
wow -- two different posters in this thread quote Karl Rove to disparage Chomsky (see edit)
nashville_brook
Jun 2014
#43
Is all true. But it's gonna be like Idiocracy, not 1984. They'll use it to target their Viagra sales
McCamy Taylor
Jun 2014
#50
So with this information should i feel proud of the US criminal justice system?
nolabels
Jun 2014
#89
Guaranteed privacy of "persons, houses, papers and effects" was seen as foundational to freedom.
Enthusiast
Jun 2014
#73
It's too bad George Orwell is not alive today . He would see his fictional city of Oceania in 1984 in
geretogo
Jun 2014
#92