Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
87. People
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jun 2014
I don't know if you are player or just getting played

but about that link to the other tread you posted, it's like after all these years hasn't anybody seen the pattern here? POTUS says one thing and at the same time is taking in offers of water-down or twisted versions of the same things he said he wasn't going to do.

Color me stupid if you want, but, until the stuff gets really deep or there is an upending in our major forms of governance, nothing concerning just about everything that most of what government does will be getting done for the betterment of the People's life

...see whatever "pattern" fits their narrative, and many don't seem to be paying attention. I see the same pattern the ACLU has seen.

ACLU Statement on President's Guantánamo Comments

NEW YORK – At a press briefing today, President Obama restated his belief that the prison at Guantánamo should be closed. Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, responded to the president's comments by detailing immediate actions the president could take.

"We welcome the president's continuing commitment to closing Guantánamo and putting an end to the indefinite detention regime there," Romero said. "There are two things the president should do. One is to appoint a senior point person so that the administration's Guantánamo closure policy is directed by the White House and not by Pentagon bureaucrats. The president can also order the secretary of defense to start certifying for transfer detainees who have been cleared, which is more than half the Guantánamo population."

"There's more to be done, but these are the two essential first steps the president can take now to break the Guantánamo logjam," Romero said. "We couldn't agree more with President Obama's statement that the 'idea that we would still maintain forever a group of individuals who have not been tried – that is contrary to who we are, it is contrary to our interests, and it needs to stop.'"

http://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform-human-rights-national-security-prisoners-rights/aclu-statement-presidents


ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantánamo

WASHINGTON – President Obama today appointed lawyer Clifford Sloan as the State Department's special envoy in charge of closing the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

"The appointment of a new envoy at the State Department for closing Guantánamo puts in place one of the last pieces of the puzzle for getting the prison closed," said Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "The president now has ordered the restart of transfers out of Guantánamo, lifted the moratorium on transfers to Yemen, and appointed top officials at the White House and State Department to get it done. Once President Obama makes the necessary appointment at the Pentagon to begin transferring detainees out of Guantánamo, he should immediately begin doing so. With more than half of the detainees already cleared for transfer or release, and dozens more being held without ever being charged or tried, it's time to start sending these men home."

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo


ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantanamo Bay Detention Facility

WASHINGTON – Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel today appointed Paul Lewis as the special envoy for closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. In his new position, Lewis will work with the State Department on transferring detainees out of the prison to other countries.

Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office, had this comment:

"The American Civil Liberties Union is pleased that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel has filled the important position of Defense Department envoy for closing the Guantanamo detention facility. We had been concerned about the lengthy delay in filling this critical job that the president ordered created as part of his National Defense University speech in May,” said Anders. “Paul Lewis has three decades of experience working on national security and rule of law issues at the highest levels of government. In his new position, he will play a critical role in carrying out the president’s commitment to close Guantanamo for good."

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo-bay-detention-facility


Senate Eases Transfer Restrictions for Guantánamo Detainees

WASHINGTON – The Senate late last night passed the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2014, which will ease transfer restrictions for detainees currently held at the military detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, most of whom have been held without charge or trial for over a decade. The bill, which passed the House of Representatives last week, cleared the Senate by a vote of 84-15. The improved transfer provisions were sponsored by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin and were strongly supported by the White House and the Defense Department.

"This is a big step forward for meeting the goal of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention. For the first time ever, Congress is making it easier, rather than harder, for the Defense Department to close Guantánamo – and this win only happened because the White House and Defense Secretary worked hand in hand with the leadership of the congressional committees," said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office. "After years of a blame-game between Congress and the White House, both worked together to clear away obstacles to transferring out of Guantánamo the vast majority of detainees who have never been charged with a crime."

The current population at Guantánamo stands at 158 detainees, approximately half of whom were cleared for transfer to their home or third-party countries by U.S. national security officials four years ago. Also, periodic review boards have recently started reviews of detainees who have not been charged with a crime and had not been cleared in the earlier reviews. While the legislation eases the transfer restrictions for sending detainees to countries abroad, it continues to prohibit the transfer of detainees to the United States for any reason, including for trial or medical emergencies.

"There has been a sea change on the Guantánamo issue, both in Congress and at the White House. With the president’s renewed commitment to closing it, and the support of Congress, there now is reason to hope that the job of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention can get done before the president leaves office," said Anders. "As big as this win is, there is more work left to be done. The Defense Department has to use the new transfer provisions to step up transfers out of Guantánamo, and Congress needs to remove the remaining ban on using federal criminal courts to try detainees."

President Obama is expected to sign the defense bill into law before the end of the year.

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/senate-eases-transfer-restrictions-guantanamo-detainees


U.S. Moves Closer to Closing Guantanamo Bay

By Julian E. Barnes

WASHINGTON—The Pentagon said it has transferred the last three ethnic Uighur Chinese nationals from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Slovakia in what it called "a significant milestone in our effort to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay."

Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said in a written statement that Yusef Abbas, Saidullah Khalik and Hajiakbar Abdul Ghuper are "voluntarily resettling in Slovakia," leaving 155 detainees at Guantanamo.

The three men were the last of 22 ethnic Uighurs captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and ordered released from Guantanamo under an Oct. 7, 2008, federal court ruling. The 22 men have ended up being resettled to six different countries, the Pentagon said.

Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel for advocacy group Human Rights Watch, said the transfer was an important moment. "The Uighurs had nothing to do with any conflict with the United States," she said. "It is a stark symbol of what was wrong with Guantanamo, with what was wrong with just sweeping people up and detaining them in an offshore facility."

- more -

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304361604579292270871879140


<...>

Fortunately and finally, at the end of 2013, the Uighurs--a persecuted religious minority from China--have left Guantanamo.

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/free-uighurs


Uruguay agrees to U.S. request to take some Guantanamo inmates

MONTEVIDEO (Reuters) - Uruguay has agreed with the United States to accept some prisoners held in the much-criticized detention center at the U.S. military base of Guantanamo Bay, President Jose Mujica said on Thursday.

The Obama administration, which wants to close the center used to imprison people captured after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, has been talking to several countries about relocating inmates.

The South American country had accepted the request by Washington to take some prisoners and would consider them refugees, Mujica told journalists while attending an unrelated farming event.

"It's a request for human rights reasons," Mujica said.

Mujica said Obama "has asked a bunch of countries if they can take some and I told him yes."

Weekly newspaper Busqueda reported that Uruguay had accepted a U.S. proposal to take five detainees from the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba base for two years. The 78-year-old ex-guerrilla Mujica agreed after speaking to Cuban President Raul Castro and sending delegates to visit the detention center, the report said.

- more -

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/us-uruguay-guantanamo-idUSBREA2J1Z220140320




Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Good article, read it earlier. Sad where we are now. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #1
The American people have to continue beating this drum Oilwellian Jun 2014 #3
It's been smoke and mirrors for so long. They really don't care what 'We the People' think one iota. Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #17
Its disappointing that so many people aren't getting it! Rockyj Jun 2014 #80
And so many people support that police state. alarimer Jun 2014 #117
Uh Oh billhicks76 Jun 2014 #13
They can keep their heads in fan heaven, it doesn't change the Truth. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #18
Truth A Dirty Word To Some billhicks76 Jun 2014 #19
It is the foulest word to those that seek power and money. There used to be Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #35
What's the dungeon? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #40
It is now called 'Creative Speculation', under Offbeat listing. It is bad there. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #47
Free Speech Zone? Lol billhicks76 Jun 2014 #49
Agree completely. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #64
I visit there a lot! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #53
I read you there, Bill! I never comment anymore or I would be banned. Strange though, how the same Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #66
thank you very much Mnemosyne. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #126
It HAS failed, a majority of people do not believe the official story of 9/11. I don't know why sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #67
I made the mistake of saying that I haven't nyabingi Jun 2014 #93
Sooner or later the truth will out and many of us will be vindicated. Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #103
I hope the truth does come out one day nyabingi Jun 2014 #105
Less was spent investigating 9/11 than Clinton's penis. I consider 9/11 the culmination of PNAC's Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #110
Kissinger billhicks76 Jun 2014 #120
Suspect billhicks76 Jun 2014 #119
Good observation malokvale77 Jun 2014 #116
As My Daddy Said People Do What's In Their Own Interests billhicks76 Jun 2014 #121
As my father said... malokvale77 Jun 2014 #124
not just scamming us but.... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #125
Yes malokvale77 Jun 2014 #127
Who said... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #2
If one has to ask it may make the question superfluous. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2014 #9
I don't know, but I know who said THIS: bvar22 Jun 2014 #54
I believe it was Thomas Jefferson. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #68
You are correct. yallerdawg Jun 2014 #104
Noam Chomsky is on-point, as always. PoliticalPothead Jun 2014 #4
Chomsky minces no words in conveying the gravity of what our government is perpetrating in radical indepat Jun 2014 #5
rec! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2014 #6
K&R Why Snowden is a Wanted Man: The Power of Transparency woo me with science Jun 2014 #7
K & R & winner of the NO Shit Sherlock award of the day. L0oniX Jun 2014 #8
It's a worthy award. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #71
Anti-American Chomsky is anti-American ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #10
Do you think we need to worry about the uncontrolled power of the NSA/CIA security state? nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #12
No reply, as usual. nt elias49 Jun 2014 #122
Well from what I know of conservatives, they either love the heavy handed security state or, they rhett o rick Jun 2014 #123
Khmer Rouge? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #14
It was a right wing smear dating back decades Oilwellian Jun 2014 #24
Seemed Like A BS Smear billhicks76 Jun 2014 #27
He did no such thing. This canard's legs keep getting longer... Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #30
Ah, the classic method of deflection... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #51
What would you know about "the vast majority of Democrats"? By your own admission, Marr Jun 2014 #77
The very fact that Obama used Chomsky as the brunt of a joke Oilwellian Jun 2014 #86
You've a right to your opinion... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #90
This is an ancient right-wing smear. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #32
what do you expect from someone who quotes Karl Rove? nashville_brook Jun 2014 #44
If I was going to post conservative crap mudy waters Jun 2014 #99
Yah malokvale77 Jun 2014 #118
America, Love It Or Leave It. Again ? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #22
So, you disagree with him.... daleanime Jun 2014 #23
quite possibly the dumbest post I ever read on DU. KG Jun 2014 #26
Epic fail. L0oniX Jun 2014 #36
sounding more "conservative" than "democrat" here nashville_brook Jun 2014 #42
You got your wires crossed, guy... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #48
the reason you get challenged on it is b/c the phrase is a Rove-ism, and as he goes on to say... nashville_brook Jun 2014 #52
Chomsky is not a Democrat ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #59
You've made some rather creative, yet unsupported allegations about Chomsky... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #72
They are neither "made up" nor "unsupported" ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #96
I think your handle is one word too long..first you use a Rove-ism.. truebrit71 Jun 2014 #84
You left out a word. Let me fix it for you: Anti-American POLICIES. In the real world, there is a sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #70
Pro NSA is ...anti-american. Confession is good for the soul. L0oniX Jun 2014 #75
Your comment is ad hominem and does not further the discussion. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #95
Ironic that you should point that out in the one place it doesn't apply... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #115
You should be complimented. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #132
When people make reasoned arguments with cited sources... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #137
As I said, sometime I agree with Chomsky, sometimes I don't. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #138
Nuh uh! And Bush was worse gratuitous Jun 2014 #11
those who cite "BBWW" (but bush was worse) don't seem very cognizant or even interested, really nashville_brook Jun 2014 #16
Bet you real money that Poppy's network STILL has more control over the intellignce community Demeter Jun 2014 #20
^^ This. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #21
You Got It billhicks76 Jun 2014 #29
yep -- and that's exactly where the critique should be pointed nashville_brook Jun 2014 #38
+1000 JDPriestly Jun 2014 #94
Wrong billhicks76 Jun 2014 #28
i completely agree -- short of real action on this, it's the only conclusion that can be made. nashville_brook Jun 2014 #41
Check Out Today's Post billhicks76 Jun 2014 #46
Well said. woo me with science Jun 2014 #135
K & R! n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #15
Here in the reality based community Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #25
It's amazing, isn't it? For some reason I thought this site is the snappyturtle Jun 2014 #33
Well, some of DU is one (DU), and the rest is the other (BOG) Demeter Jun 2014 #37
I spend little time here anymore because of the, so aptly put, bifurcation. nt snappyturtle Jun 2014 #39
Same here. nt mimi85 Jun 2014 #69
wow -- two different posters in this thread quote Karl Rove to disparage Chomsky (see edit) nashville_brook Jun 2014 #43
NSA shill employees? L0oniX Jun 2014 #74
Huge k/r 840high Jun 2014 #31
Well, we've gone from the War on Drugs to this War on Thugs stupidicus Jun 2014 #34
You are now a fake liberal or a paid shill mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #45
Regardless of which, clearly a racist. morningfog Jun 2014 #55
You sir,or maam are Un-American!!! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #57
Loyalists are loyalists. morningfog Jun 2014 #58
Un-American mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #61
I am expecting Rod Serling to post on here Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #65
Is all true. But it's gonna be like Idiocracy, not 1984. They'll use it to target their Viagra sales McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #50
Under the bus with you!! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #56
Very Powerful and Frightening....Are we "there" yet? bvar22 Jun 2014 #60
Wait, ProSense Jun 2014 #62
The OP is about our civil liberties, specifically the surveillance state Android3.14 Jun 2014 #79
And? ProSense Jun 2014 #83
Good lord LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #81
I made a point, and ProSense Jun 2014 #82
I don't know if you are player or just getting played nolabels Jun 2014 #85
People ProSense Jun 2014 #87
So with this information should i feel proud of the US criminal justice system? nolabels Jun 2014 #89
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #63
Guaranteed privacy of "persons, houses, papers and effects" was seen as foundational to freedom. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #73
His ODS is getting feeble. ucrdem Jun 2014 #76
I heard that Chomsky wouldn't even put an Obama sign in his yard. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2014 #98
I didn't know he had a yard. ucrdem Jun 2014 #100
What I want to know Android3.14 Jun 2014 #78
People who want to be taken seriously treestar Jun 2014 #88
well, the title may not be the best Leme Jun 2014 #91
Then they will prosecute Hayden? LINK grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #97
It's too bad George Orwell is not alive today . He would see his fictional city of Oceania in 1984 in geretogo Jun 2014 #92
How dare he say this! Obama is dreamy Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #101
And what is Greenwald going to do with his royalties from this book? George II Jun 2014 #102
A very stale complaint Oilwellian Jun 2014 #106
I'm retired, but when I worked I got paid. On the other hand I didn't make money off the "work"... George II Jun 2014 #108
Are you saying journalists and writers should work for free? n/t Oilwellian Jun 2014 #109
Not at all, but Greenwald isn't your normal everyday "journalist" George II Jun 2014 #130
Well, you do have a point Oilwellian Jun 2014 #136
ah, ah, ah.... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #128
Take two aspirins George II Jun 2014 #129
duh!? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #131
Probably less then the beltway bandits do with thier ample profits. Pholus Jun 2014 #107
But if yer' not a terrorist... nikto Jun 2014 #111
hey! Freedom isn't Free nikto Jun 2014 #112
In a free society, you should be willing... nikto Jun 2014 #113
But I heard that freedom is slavery FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #114
ignorance will give us strength nikto Jun 2014 #133
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #134
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Chomsky:The White House s...»Reply #87