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Rockyj

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113. Its not about Snowden its about our...

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:20 PM

Jun 2014

government collecting data on its citizens with out an warrant. If we allow our government to get away with this what's next?

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Most Americans Think Snowden Did the Right Thing, Poll Says [View all] Go Vols Jun 2014 OP

MOST people don't know he is a Libertarian who supported George Bush either.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #1

And What Does That Have To Do With The Price Of Tea In China ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #2

it goes to motive Your Honor VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #3

So if he had done the same thing but hsd been a Democrat.... Armstead Jun 2014 #12

stolen govt property? What do you have against laws... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #15

I'm all for laws Armstead Jun 2014 #81

OR AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #78

Unsurprisingly, your question goes unanswered. progressoid Jun 2014 #95

but he isnt......perhaps a democrat would have saved the emails VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #114

so if Karl Rove stole those papers, you'd be coolio with that would you? Whisp Jun 2014 #4

Say Wha.. WillyT Jun 2014 #7

You understood it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #9

Hey VR... If You Have That Kind Of Mind Reading Ability... You Should Take It On The Road... WillyT Jun 2014 #79

i am not the one reading minds VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #115

Read back what Vanilla posted up a few from here. Whisp Jun 2014 #13

We know that if Rove was the stealer, and he ran to Russia Whisp Jun 2014 #77

Classic dodge treestar Jun 2014 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #8

You are pointing out something very important with your question. I would respect rhett o rick Jun 2014 #121

FOX News Hates Snowden and GG billhicks76 Jun 2014 #36

how big a star is Rand Paul on that network? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #116

absolutely nothing stupidicus Jun 2014 #72

Except for that fact that he gets caught lying over and over again! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #124

like with the frequency and egregiousness of this guy? stupidicus Jun 2014 #158

this reads both sexist and racist to me VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #159

thanks for conceding the validity of my observations and accomapnying remarks stupidicus Jun 2014 #164

"impotence"? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #168

even though your continual tacit concessions where neither solicited nor warranted stupidicus Jun 2014 #169

I have no earthly idea what you are talking about.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #170

thanks for conceding/admitting stupidicus Jun 2014 #171

Holy Hell! HangOnKids Jun 2014 #172

Conceding what? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #175

You aren't reading your own posts? HangOnKids Jun 2014 #181

besides...I do NOT think that the racism and sexism were false at all VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #176

and yet it remains a baseless, fact-free, and unarticulated stupidicus Jun 2014 #178

Yes it most certainly could reasonably judged that way..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #179

thanks for highlighting the problem stupidicus Jun 2014 #180

Link? scarletwoman Jun 2014 #6

How long have you been on DU? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #26

Since 2001. Which you could have easily found out for yourself by looking at my profile. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #31

it was a rhetorical question.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33

Not really, it was an avoidance tactic. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #40

Not at all....just bored with producing the same information over and over for people who refuse VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #41

An opinion piece, written by somebody named Andrew Leonard. I have no idea who that is, scarletwoman Jun 2014 #66

How about words right out of his own mouth... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #147

Thank you for the link. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #165

of course you do.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #167

Everyone knows that's a non sequitur Fearless Jun 2014 #24

Only if like you I were to ignore the facts... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #27

You have not presented any facts. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #52

Non sequitur... Fearless Jun 2014 #93

then please explain HOW this is non sequitur.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #96

His political affiliation has nothing to do with Fearless Jun 2014 #100

you may not give a crap......but I do VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #101

Again a non sequitur Fearless Jun 2014 #117

how so its an apt analogy VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #119

It is a non sequitur Fearless Jun 2014 #143

its called analogy for a reason... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #145

It is a comparison of unrelated topics. Fearless Jun 2014 #160

in your opinion but most certainly not mine VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #161

What does that even mean?! Fearless Jun 2014 #166

He was a standard republican billhicks76 Jun 2014 #28

Stop lying, please. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #34

Prove it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #35

Stop lying, please. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #44

How about Rand and Ron VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #146

"Ron Paul holds some views that are wrong, irrational and even odious." MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #148

but.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #155

But what? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #157

Repost: ProSense Jun 2014 #64

By ProSense Jun 2014 #69

Its not about Snowden its about our... Rockyj Jun 2014 #113

Congrats at getting the number one response. Best for hijacking. Just sayin. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #122

Most people don't CARE. What has that got to do with these serious issues? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #130

Message versus messenger -- most Americans CAN tell the difference KurtNYC Jun 2014 #149

A lot of libertarians initially supported him in 2000 Reter Jun 2014 #156

So... If A "Libertarian" Is Right Once In A While... We're Required To Ingnore It ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #5

So when is stealing from the govt "Right"? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #11

When the government is illegally spying on you AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #16

are they? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #17

Here Go Again billhicks76 Jun 2014 #32

can you prove that? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #38

But billhicks76 Jun 2014 #42

Prove it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #45

Prove What? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #47

what you just said about DU....prove it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #49

I Said Most Democrats billhicks76 Jun 2014 #53

But Of Course I Think Here Too billhicks76 Jun 2014 #56

No you said "people here" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #57

It's Just Obvious To Me billhicks76 Jun 2014 #65

Chill StoneCarver Jun 2014 #37

Not defensive at all....I tell the truth and they call it "defensive" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #39

When You Vocally Support billhicks76 Jun 2014 #46

When you stop vocally repeating that lack of support for Snowden means support of the NSA! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #48

Don't hold your breath! BillZBubb Jun 2014 #55

I Know Right? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #61

The Government... Has Been Stealing From Us For The Last 35 -40 Years... WillyT Jun 2014 #51

if you lack critical thinking skills, yes Skittles Jun 2014 #68

Or if you are willfully ignorant, yes. morningfog Jun 2014 #84

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #10

Recommended. Thanks for the post Autumn Jun 2014 #14

That title misstates the poll results. The fact that most people believe Snowden pnwmom Jun 2014 #18

The question becomes did/does PRISM pose a greater threat to the American People Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #20

That's not the issue. Snowden could have and should have released the information pnwmom Jun 2014 #21

They're inextricably tied together, this is all PRISM. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #22

He never had to release specific details about the information we obtained pnwmom Jun 2014 #82

It doesn't take a great leap of imagination from knowing about PRISM, that we would Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #85

It was the specifics that they released that wouldn't have been known, not the fact pnwmom Jun 2014 #86

By its' very nature PRISM was international, it wasn't just in the U.S. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #90

Why do you keep obscuring the point? The fact that we spy on other countries isn't news. pnwmom Jun 2014 #92

What specifics? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #99

Don't play dumb. pnwmom Jun 2014 #102

MYSTIC Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #106

A few months ago the spin was that PRISM was merely a benign way the NSA transfers files Chathamization Jun 2014 #70

Yes. Seriously. Just because a cloud storage company says differently... randome Jun 2014 #177

Where in the article is the conclusion "everything he did was okay" listed that you reference? LanternWaste Jun 2014 #103

I was talking about the subject line of the OP's Post, "Most Americans think .. . " pnwmom Jun 2014 #105

Only 29% now believe he was wrong. pa28 Jun 2014 #19

I think you've confused this survey with an actual scientific poll. What reputable pollster only... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #107

Not to mention, in the PEW poll, there is a very strong correlation with age karynnj Jun 2014 #110

Precisely. The headline of the o.p. is quite misleading. Thanks to Pro for sourcing the pollster. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #111

He has through his avenues released information which harms not only the USA but UK and probably Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #23

can you add any specifics? frylock Jun 2014 #74

Duh. Most people aren't the ruling class or members of its court. nt valerief Jun 2014 #25

"according to a survey commissioned by cloud storage service Tresorit"? ProSense Jun 2014 #29

(insert deflective irrelevancy here...) LanternWaste Jun 2014 #104

Wait a minute Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #30

It was ProSense Jun 2014 #43

Perhaps Start A Pro-NSA Site billhicks76 Jun 2014 #50

Why? You want this one to be a Pro-Greenwald/Snowden site? ProSense Jun 2014 #54

It should be. BillZBubb Jun 2014 #59

No, it shouldn't n/t ProSense Jun 2014 #62

Then feel free to start Libertarian Underground. This one is STILL partisan. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #112

I'm going to rec this now Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #58

I have no problem with Snowden exposing the extent of the NSA's spying. Eko Jun 2014 #60

He didn't take any secrets with him to Russia. Maedhros Jun 2014 #94

Really? Eko Jun 2014 #118

And you know that he did? Maedhros Jun 2014 #120

Unfounded assumption huh, Eko Jun 2014 #125

Like I said - throwing mud. Maedhros Jun 2014 #127

Yeah yeah yeah, Eko Jun 2014 #128

A huge percentage were in favor of the Iraq war at first. Polls do not validate an action. stevenleser Jun 2014 #63

what did polls say about the Iraq war a year in? frylock Jun 2014 #75

I'm sure whatever the polls said, they weren't startup tech co's, polling only "employed"... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #88

Indeed...and we are almost a "Year" In from Snowden's first revelations... KoKo Jun 2014 #152

If Heroes Come In The Form Of Snowden gussmith Jun 2014 #67

"Employed Americans"? What? They can't be bothered to poll the jobless? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #71

Interesting. Thanks for posting. Number23 Jun 2014 #73

It was a ProSense Jun 2014 #76

So you're saying it's a crap poll? And why are they polling just "employed" Americans? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #80

It's a ProSense Jun 2014 #83

Pro, what the hell would we do without you? No wonder I never heard of it. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #87

While I appreciate all the support...... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #89

Allow me to say... Savannahmann Jun 2014 #91

K&R! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #97

As do I. Snowden is a true patriot antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #108

Probably because he did do the right thing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #109

It's very interesting who here doesnt think he did the correct thing. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #123

Thats totally ridiculous. Eko Jun 2014 #126

All I ask is that you keep some prospective.You dont know that Snowden gave the Russians our secrets rhett o rick Jun 2014 #129

Very true, Eko Jun 2014 #131

But we must investigate the NSA to be sure they are acting in our best interest. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #132

No arguments there Eko Jun 2014 #133

Ha-ha!!! Look at the authority-sniffers break their arm reaching to spin this. U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #134

I dont think the people who are criticizing snowden are "authority-sniffers" here. Eko Jun 2014 #135

A little defensive, eh? Too close to home? U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #136

More Eko Jun 2014 #137

Not really interested in you or what you think. U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #139

No, Eko Jun 2014 #140

Yawn to nobody U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #141

Run away!!!!! Eko Jun 2014 #142

Please More Exclamation Marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HangOnKids Jun 2014 #173

By the way, Eko Jun 2014 #138

Since when was it progressive Eko Jun 2014 #144

Sound and fury signifying nothing HangOnKids Jun 2014 #174

And you prove my point. Eko Jun 2014 #182

Wow, took you no time at all to call someone a right winger Rex Jun 2014 #184

Just last week on national news it was reported the majority of people think he's a traitor! B Calm Jun 2014 #150

which "national news" poll was it... Link would be helpful.. n/t KoKo Jun 2014 #153

This was reported on all 3 ABC, NBC and CBS. B Calm Jun 2014 #154

I have it on good authority from the RW Fifth Column on DU baldguy Jun 2014 #151

Hey, if I want to find out what most Americans really think, I'll ask the NSA. n/t hughee99 Jun 2014 #162

Why not, according to tea baggers it's the only government agency that listens to us. B Calm Jun 2014 #183

As they should. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #163