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14. If you want an objective reason, you can start with this one...

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:49 PM

Jun 2014

Based on what Edward Snowden did for a living, he was in a position to bring proof that the National Security Agency (originally formed to center itself around wartime cryptanalytic tasks) broke the fundamental laws originated under the constitution. How's that for starters?

The Bill of Rights memorializes these truths. If you believe that the founders of our nations claimed to offer freedom to its citizens, then you should be HORRIFIED what has been uncovered THROUGH SNOWDEN'S efforts about the NSA's domestic spying program. Call his efforts outside the law if you wish. You may be right. But what you do NOT seem to be upset about is WHY he may have broken laws after his warnings.

How this isn't clear to everyone here is the real mystery, randome….

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Transcript of the Edward Snowden portion of my show this week [View all] stevenleser Jun 2014 OP

The NSA could have released that email a year ago MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #1

I find it much easier to believe that the GG, the ES & the PO are continuing to lie like crazy. Whisp Jun 2014 #3

I find it easier to believe the NSA is lying. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #33

Thank you for that 4th Amendment history - I was not aware closeupready Jun 2014 #38

Why should they release anything? Given that Mr. Snowden has charges pending in the federal docket, msanthrope Jun 2014 #12

Then why release the email they released? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #15

because that email had Nothing to do with what Snowden promised. Whisp Jun 2014 #36

I have no idea. I would not have released it. But his attorneys can release what they wish. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #42

Maybe because it's evidence of nothing. And relevant to nothing. randome Jun 2014 #43

Snowdedn "seems to have" a problem with the truth? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2014 #2

Oh, don't exaggerate. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #105

Long worded 'Kill the Messenger' fallacy AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #4

I evaluate both the messenger and the message. Both are faulty and stevenleser Jun 2014 #16

So you don't believe that the NSA spied on us? AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #20

The NSA illegally destroyed the records Fred Drum Jun 2014 #26

As usual, Snowden fans have mischaracterized things. stevenleser Jun 2014 #46

Does AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #49

You'll forgive us if we don't all fall in line with the authoritarians. L0oniX Jun 2014 #82

Well if the NSA said that in a press release JackRiddler Jun 2014 #111

Liar Eddie kills his own damn message. Cha Jun 2014 #70

This is why after one time, I no longer will make the effort to listen.. MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #5

Once was enough for me bahrbearian Jun 2014 #13

My target audience is the reality based community, not Snowden/Greenwald sycophants stevenleser Jun 2014 #19

"...like they just came down from a chat with a burning bush." randome Jun 2014 #22

Is that why you go on Fox News? Union Scribe Jun 2014 #30

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #51

LMFAO ...yea that. Lots of reality base going on there. Birds of a feather I guess. L0oniX Jun 2014 #81

Thanks for exposing yourself by deeming those who don't share your view as brown nosers... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #37

I don't blame him, he needs more airtime on Fox Dragonfli Jun 2014 #56

"Can't fault a person for needing to eat�" MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #58

I would never personaly resort to such a dishonorable profession to live Dragonfli Jun 2014 #62

I hope we are all in a position within a few more years to embrace the good... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #78

The Libertarian right is on your and Snowdens side they love that this is a stevenleser Jun 2014 #87

"Ed Snowden, Russian TV star, hands Putin a propaganda coup" JackRiddler Jun 2014 #109

How silly! And Peter King agrees with you. neverforget Jun 2014 #114

Birth? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #106

Ooof! Doctor! MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #116

Snowden couldn't name one thing the NSA has done that is illegal. Not one. randome Jun 2014 #6

Yeah, sure... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #7

Well, I wouldn't take Snowden's word for anything. The man is a thief. randome Jun 2014 #8

If you want an objective reason, you can start with this one... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #14

What is the proof? randome Jun 2014 #17

maybe you should ask the EFF Fred Drum Jun 2014 #27

They only have supposition but I would still trust them more than Snowden. randome Jun 2014 #28

"EFF to Court: There's No Doubt the Government Destroyed NSA Spying Evidence�" MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #39

Authoritarians have no interest in evidence AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #57

That's the standard authoritarian reply AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #55

You realize that its illegal for the NSA to spy on American citizens mudy waters Jun 2014 #18

I do. Where is the proof that they are violating this law? randome Jun 2014 #21

You'll never get through to them. Union Scribe Jun 2014 #32

I know. It's just mental exercise, at this point. randome Jun 2014 #34

You have been given proof in a plethora of threads. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #52

No, it's not. You, like Snowden, are practicing Constitutional law without training. stevenleser Jun 2014 #48

Snowden is like those idiots who send hatemail to DU for T/Sing them and talk about how stevenleser Jun 2014 #23

Thank goodness I was afraid I'd missed it. Union Scribe Jun 2014 #9

Ah yes, "I am not a spy." ucrdem Jun 2014 #10

With much thanks to Iching Carpenter for this reminder and huge chunk of wisdom ... Aerows Jun 2014 #11

Nah SnowGlen didn't "like" what was goin on so they decided to bust airThang wide open... you know uponit7771 Jun 2014 #24

WTF?? Anybody?? elias49 Jun 2014 #45

I assumed he fell asleep on the keyboard Union Scribe Jun 2014 #54

IOWs - "... I have a narrow cultural range of friends..." uponit7771 Jun 2014 #61

Here are some other sources for you since you don't trust Snowden: Cerridwen Jun 2014 #25

He must have suckered the ACLU, and other civil liberties groups, free press organizations, Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #29

Confessions of their character Aerows Jun 2014 #31

You want to bring up character, do you? Whisp Jun 2014 #35

Well this post says a lot about your character. nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #60

If the answer to the first half of question one is "yes," then the rest is justified. morningfog Jun 2014 #40

What if the little jerk didn't actually take Anything... Whisp Jun 2014 #41

According to this org map of NSA divisions, GC does NOT have a compliance and oversight division. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #44

Stephen, it's more complicated than that. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #47

It is more complicated than that, but not in the way you are asserting. stevenleser Jun 2014 #50

Supreme Court decisions are not the eternal law. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #53

It's not a supreme court decision. It's dozens of appellate decisions that the Supreme Court stevenleser Jun 2014 #65

The technology today makes the facts very different. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #69

No, none of what you just wrote is correct. stevenleser Jun 2014 #102

Sorry. The job of the appellate courts is to follow the precedents set out by the JDPriestly Jun 2014 #103

Here is some more helpful information for you. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #64

See my #65 above. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #66

The essential thing to remember is that neither the Constitution nor the JDPriestly Jun 2014 #79

So much distortion and speculation here that it's hard to know where to begin. Vattel Jun 2014 #59

ummmm, Snowden "... I'm not a spy..." quote uponit7771 Jun 2014 #63

Funny. Feinstein & Rodgers agree that he is not a spy for Russia. Which is what Snowden was asserted Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #68

He said he was not a spy, he didn't say for whom... and yeah, the email thing is a open shut uponit7771 Jun 2014 #72

Oh, please this is pathetic. Vattel Jun 2014 #74

On the edit, it's the "Russia" conversation where he said he wasn't a spy not the China one.... uponit7771 Jun 2014 #75

Brian Williams pressed Snowden to specify something the NSA had done that was illegal. randome Jun 2014 #83

LOL, ok! nt Logical Jun 2014 #67

I see the little Eddie "I am not a spy" Eddie/wouldn't lie-brigrade is here to defend their "hero".. Cha Jun 2014 #71

Needing more Fox news airtime? Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #73

Conservatives love Snowdens allegations as they love anything that hurts Obama. stevenleser Jun 2014 #76

So it's nothing to do with the fact NSA violated the 4th Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #77

All appellate decisions are on the other side of where you are stevenleser Jun 2014 #86

I do not get this mission Aerows Jun 2014 #95

It doesn't violate the fourth amendment. stevenleser Jun 2014 #99

Trying to link yourself to EarlG Aerows Jun 2014 #100

I wasn't linking myself to EarlG I was linking you to those who send him hatemail stevenleser Jun 2014 #101

Thanks, I appreciate Aerows Jun 2014 #110

"those who love Snowden and Greenwald are the ones angling for a spot on Conservative media" LMFAO L0oniX Jun 2014 #85

And people on Fux news Aerows Jun 2014 #89

You thought Right bobduca Jun 2014 #91

Shockingly false. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #112

Approve of the NSA huh? ...then people don't deserve the freedom they have... L0oniX Jun 2014 #80

alternate show names? bobduca Jun 2014 #84

I vote for "The O'Leser Factor" JackRiddler Jun 2014 #113

You can kill the messenger Aerows Jun 2014 #88

I can and did skewer the hopelessly flawed message stevenleser Jun 2014 #90

Why? Aerows Jun 2014 #92

Because it is hopelessly flawed and incorrect. stevenleser Jun 2014 #93

How? Aerows Jun 2014 #94

This should be enough to get you started stevenleser Jun 2014 #96

Oh boy Aerows Jun 2014 #97

Like all my opinions, it's properly sourced stevenleser Jun 2014 #98

Aaaaaaawwww... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #115

But But But HangOnKids Jun 2014 #117

Yeah, it's totally courageous. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #118

READ Greenwald's book, everyone. It disabuses the OP of all this arduous case building. nt ancianita Jun 2014 #104

To expect normal people to think one side is lying and the other is the pillar of truth, is insanity Rex Jun 2014 #107

Agreed. ancianita Jun 2014 #108