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In reply to the discussion: The Top 5 Claims That Defenders Of The NSA Have To Stop Making To Remain Credible - EFF [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)56. If this is true:
Even if you are right, it hardly matters. As I said above, if the U.S. is attacked, any U.S. president has to be able to say that everything possible was done to prevent it. If it is later shown that the president left anything on the table, then whatever he did not do will be blamed for the attack. The political enemies of this particular president would not hesitate to lie about the cause of any attack or to politicize it for the purpose of impeaching the president.
Then any activity is justified to keep us safe - torture, rendition, Muslim internment camps, collective punishment of Muslim villages, etc.
This is one of my biggest gripes with Obama's leadership style - he fails to act properly because of his desire to avoid Republican criticism. The NSA's surveillance program has been shown to have no significant role in keeping us safe. Continuing it, just to avoid potential criticism, is weak leadership.
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The Top 5 Claims That Defenders Of The NSA Have To Stop Making To Remain Credible - EFF [View all]
WillyT
Jun 2014
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Why didn't the NationalSpyAgency stop the greatest threat to national security since 9/11 ...
GeorgeGist
Jun 2014
#1
I find the need to label someone that is interested in regaining freedoms and liberties as a
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#95
It's naive for anyone to think that gaining power isnt the goal of most in politics.
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#109
There are plenty of non-libertarians who are interested in regaining freedoms and liberties
Fortinbras Armstrong
Jun 2014
#120
Good luck with your idea of a name the the logical fallacy. I think there is one but it's too early
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#124
"If you are looking for a needle in a haystack, the last thing you want to do is make the stack larg
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#104
Now if I was arguing for a RW talking point I would link RW talking point sites.
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#3
Never said it was, I posted IF i was arguing a RW talking point I would link a RW site.
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#31
They have an explanation on their web site, like I say if I want to have site to link to then
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#65
I never said it was a RW site, Willy answered something to that effect and you have said it also.
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#67
You must have read the wrong post, I NEVER SAID NSA SPYING IS A RW TALKING POINT>
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#97
You ask a lot of questions. Cant you make statements? What kind of a site do you think
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#78
And if you call about a close relative's medical condition -- would that act get you killed?
Bernardo de La Paz
Jun 2014
#18
Posts that begin with "SO" and followed by a fantasy statement that NOBODY has made...
bvar22
Jun 2014
#115
There are a number of posters that assert that the NSA's surveillance activities
Maedhros
Jun 2014
#32
"Those in charge of these programs know more about what is happening that we do"
Aerows
Jun 2014
#42
Posts that begin with "SO" and followed by a fantasy statement that NOBODY has made...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2014
#127
Please quote the provision of the Constitution that charges Congress with oversight of the
merrily
Jun 2014
#143
Regardless of what the NSA is or is not supposed to be, our govt. is not supposed to
merrily
Jun 2014
#132
Yet all of these arguments are in response to those who express concern with the growing
Maedhros
Jun 2014
#46
Those that openly disparage Snowden and Greenwald refuse to explain what they think about
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#80
You say "the vast majority" have separated the two issues. First I really wonder how you know how
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#102
Everyone who disagrees with you is not seeing things as they are? Only you are?
merrily
Jun 2014
#133
Yes, there are. There are also here people who remain strangely quiet about the NSA
merrily
Jun 2014
#126
More stuff I never said. Please, have pity on the straw men. They need their rest, too.
merrily
Jun 2014
#165
? Posts of yours on this very thread are, in essence, defenses of the NSA's actions.
merrily
Jun 2014
#140
I've bookmarked this thread and the article. The next time they use one of these talking points
riderinthestorm
Jun 2014
#52
Except that the alleged absence of any defense of the NSA by them is also a talking point.
merrily
Jun 2014
#139
yes that is how it looks to you because you do not revere the Constitution
questionseverything
Jun 2014
#166