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1StrongBlackMan

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79. So your beef is not ...

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:08 PM

Jun 2014

So much with PBO, but rather with Conress' failure to provide appropriate oversight. Otherwise, your beef is misdirected.

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The Top 5 Claims That Defenders Of The NSA Have To Stop Making To Remain Credible - EFF [View all] WillyT Jun 2014 OP

Why didn't the NationalSpyAgency stop the greatest threat to national security since 9/11 ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #1

Why didnt the NSA stop 9/11? They were incapable, apparently. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #77

They Had The Data billhicks76 Jun 2014 #87

I find the need to label someone that is interested in regaining freedoms and liberties as a rhett o rick Jun 2014 #95

Just Words billhicks76 Jun 2014 #108

It's naive for anyone to think that gaining power isnt the goal of most in politics. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #109

There are plenty of non-libertarians who are interested in regaining freedoms and liberties Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #120

Good luck with your idea of a name the the logical fallacy. I think there is one but it's too early rhett o rick Jun 2014 #124

The hijackers were staying in a hotel Mnpaul Jun 2014 #90

"If you are looking for a needle in a haystack, the last thing you want to do is make the stack larg rhett o rick Jun 2014 #104

Wow! Those are almost verbatim what we hear here on DU... riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #2

No it won't. bvar22 Jun 2014 #113

Now if I was arguing for a RW talking point I would link RW talking point sites. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #3

And That Would Put You In Trouble... WillyT Jun 2014 #4

Never said it was, I posted IF i was arguing a RW talking point I would link a RW site. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #31

In other words Aerows Jun 2014 #55

What kind of a site is it? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #59

A non profit site for starters Aerows Jun 2014 #62

They have an explanation on their web site, like I say if I want to have site to link to then Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #65

You indicated that it was a right wing site Aerows Jun 2014 #66

I never said it was a RW site, Willy answered something to that effect and you have said it also. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #67

hmm malokvale77 Jun 2014 #70

Ann Richards Aerows Jun 2014 #74

Isn't that the truth (nt) malokvale77 Jun 2014 #76

You must have read the wrong post, I NEVER SAID NSA SPYING IS A RW TALKING POINT> Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #97

I read what you posted (nt) malokvale77 Jun 2014 #111

Since you've brought it up, what have you said about it? merrily Jun 2014 #131

You ask a lot of questions. Cant you make statements? What kind of a site do you think rhett o rick Jun 2014 #78

It apparently Aerows Jun 2014 #82

You're suggesting the EFF is a right wing organization? Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #68

Just connected to nothing at all, huh? Marr Jun 2014 #93

EFF is totally rightwing! Dr. Strange Jun 2014 #69

I know Aerows Jun 2014 #75

Are you trying to claim Aerows Jun 2014 #13

And if Willy was, that advice might even be appropriate. Pholus Jun 2014 #63

It's ridiculous Aerows Jun 2014 #64

If you are trying to make a point, I sure aint getting it. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #96

k/r marmar Jun 2014 #5

some random person will be here soon to explain this questionseverything Jun 2014 #6

And if you call about a close relative's medical condition -- would that act get you killed? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #18

Joe Biden (version 2006) knew how dangerous the Meta-Data collection is: bvar22 Jun 2014 #114

Recommend! KoKo Jun 2014 #7

du rec. xchrom Jun 2014 #8

Most excellent post. Thanks. JEB Jun 2014 #9

Why post this on DU? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #10

There are defenders here Savannahmann Jun 2014 #11

I have not seen any/many ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #20

Olenty of NSA defenders. 840high Jun 2014 #23

Okay. Thanks for the clarification. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #25

The anti-Greenwald/Snowden people Savannahmann Jun 2014 #27

So love Snowden and/or Greenwald or Love the NSA? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #28

Not at all Savannahmann Jun 2014 #30

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said... In Both Your Posts Here !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #81

Well said n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #84

Thank you. Right to the point. nt elias49 Jun 2014 #99

Well said. zeemike Jun 2014 #103

No requirement for ideological purity there! baldguy Jun 2014 #105

Posts that begin with "SO" and followed by a fantasy statement that NOBODY has made... bvar22 Jun 2014 #115

If the pentagon papers were released today shaayecanaan Jun 2014 #121

There are a number of posters that assert that the NSA's surveillance activities Maedhros Jun 2014 #32

I think you misunderstand what people are saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #34

"Those in charge of these programs know more about what is happening that we do" Aerows Jun 2014 #42

But that's the thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #71

It is a quite popular opinion here Aerows Jun 2014 #73

So your beef is not ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #79

Which agencies serve at the behest of the President of the United States? Aerows Jun 2014 #83

I'll do it this way ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #86

Oh, I see Aerows Jun 2014 #88

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #125

So you don't mind criticism of the NSA shaayecanaan Jun 2014 #122

Posts that begin with "SO" and followed by a fantasy statement that NOBODY has made... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #127

Posts that contain bare assertions shaayecanaan Jun 2014 #174

Please quote the provision of the Constitution that charges Congress with oversight of the merrily Jun 2014 #143

It's the whole idea behind the Separations of Powers Doctrine ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #154

Regardless of what the NSA is or is not supposed to be, our govt. is not supposed to merrily Jun 2014 #132

Yet all of these arguments are in response to those who express concern with the growing Maedhros Jun 2014 #46

Well rebutted tkmorris Jun 2014 #100

Well Done. bvar22 Jun 2014 #116

Excellent! neverforget Jun 2014 #119

Maedhros is one of the most discerning posters on this board. merrily Jun 2014 #130

The Constitution restricts government, not corporations. merrily Jun 2014 #136

Very true ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #153

You missed the point. You can focus on corporations all you want, but you merrily Jun 2014 #155

It's awfully hard to see trees Aerows Jun 2014 #41

Those that openly disparage Snowden and Greenwald refuse to explain what they think about rhett o rick Jun 2014 #80

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #85

You say "the vast majority" have separated the two issues. First I really wonder how you know how rhett o rick Jun 2014 #102

Everyone who disagrees with you is not seeing things as they are? Only you are? merrily Jun 2014 #133

Those that defend the NSA and the CIA Aerows Jun 2014 #89

Name one poster parroting the 54 attacks myth. joshcryer Jun 2014 #49

I might give you that one Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #92

Mixed opinion on 3 and 5. joshcryer Jun 2014 #94

This is why I put them on ignore. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #112

I see nothing about 54 attacks there. joshcryer Jun 2014 #118

Yes. There are defenders of the NSA here. dawg Jun 2014 #106

Yes, there are. There are also here people who remain strangely quiet about the NSA merrily Jun 2014 #126

Come onnnn, Merrily ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #129

I have no idea what "Your first response answers my "odd post" means. merrily Jun 2014 #134

Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #12

The talking points. Recommended Willy Autumn Jun 2014 #14

Boom! Aerows Jun 2014 #15

+1 Go Vols Jun 2014 #16

Thank you, Willy Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #17

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jun 2014 #19

K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #21

Thanks. k/r 840high Jun 2014 #22

I don't defend the NSA program, but... LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #24

Has Obama really instituted far MORE judicial oversight than Bush? Maedhros Jun 2014 #33

Obama at least uses the FISC LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #36

Thank you for providing a link. Maedhros Jun 2014 #38

A couple things LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #48

If this is true: Maedhros Jun 2014 #56

I get that. LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #60

FISA court warrants are a joke anyway. merrily Jun 2014 #135

"Legal" authority. Legal being the key word. merrily Jun 2014 #137

I absolutely agree with you in principle LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #145

I don't think you do agree with me in principle. merrily Jun 2014 #146

I am being realistic LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #147

I disagree. Doing little but defending the status quo is not realism. merrily Jun 2014 #150

ONCE AGAIN LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #157

ONCE AGAIN, spare me. merrily Jun 2014 #162

So, not only do I have to agree that the NSA porgram should end... LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #164

More stuff I never said. Please, have pity on the straw men. They need their rest, too. merrily Jun 2014 #165

Yes, you did. LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #167

Don't keep attributing to me lame stuff you make up. merrily Jun 2014 #168

Jury results stone space Jun 2014 #151

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Jun 2014 #152

I was going to post this, too! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2014 #156

I guess it's OK to attack a person's motives on DU now LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #159

Nice straw man. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2014 #173

So smearing me is not good enough? LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #158

It's jut not your lucky day, is it? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #169

Honestly... BlueCheese Jun 2014 #45

You give people a lot of credit... LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #51

The impact on your of the rise of the tea party is not exactly a merrily Jun 2014 #138

Never said it was LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #149

You hit the nail on the head Aerows Jun 2014 #53

? Posts of yours on this very thread are, in essence, defenses of the NSA's actions. merrily Jun 2014 #140

Only if you look at this simplistically LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #148

Force you to do the right thing? Savannahmann Jun 2014 #170

Responsibility should be shared. Congress should be involved. Period. LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #171

The # 1 ctsnowman Jun 2014 #26

Amen Aerows Jun 2014 #43

And that is the main point! Pholus Jun 2014 #61

K&R.... daleanime Jun 2014 #29

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #35

Afternoon kick. I see the usual crowd is ignoring this thread.... nt riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #37

Well what did you expect Savannahmann Jun 2014 #39

Oh agreed on all fronts. Kick! nt riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #50

They are absolutely terrified Aerows Jun 2014 #44

I've bookmarked this thread and the article. The next time they use one of these talking points riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #52

The circular arguments they make Aerows Jun 2014 #54

Do they actually attempt to argue? vi5 Jun 2014 #128

If they didn't use BS propaganda talking points, they'd have no other way to Zorra Jun 2014 #40

Precisely Aerows Jun 2014 #47

Except that the alleged absence of any defense of the NSA by them is also a talking point. merrily Jun 2014 #139

They're not NSA defenders. vi5 Jun 2014 #57

That is just sick, bvar22 Jun 2014 #117

I am not so sure that they can or will go back to their 2006 stances. merrily Jun 2014 #144

Not true LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #161

Don't forget to ProSense Jun 2014 #58

What a coincidence this is happening now! nt Logical Jun 2014 #98

this does not belong here Enrique Jun 2014 #72

That was my first thought Mnpaul Jun 2014 #91

You got that right. These talking points, although lame, are Vattel Jun 2014 #107

K&R!! elias49 Jun 2014 #101

I don't find anything in this article... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #110

Title should be: "How To Construct A Straw Man In 5 Easy Steps" baldguy Jun 2014 #123

''No President should fear public scrutiny of his program.'' Octafish Jun 2014 #141

The one thing Snowden/Greenwald defenders need to remain credible. randome Jun 2014 #142

hard to explain to those who refuse to see questionseverything Jun 2014 #160

I think it's a hard line to straddle. randome Jun 2014 #163

yes that is how it looks to you because you do not revere the Constitution questionseverything Jun 2014 #166

asking for evidence = refuse to see?!?!?! REALLY?! tia uponit7771 Jun 2014 #172