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Mister Ed

(6,924 posts)
98. I think we need to talk.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jun 2014

Now, I'm going to admit right off the bat that I was tempted to give you a wise-assed answer here. But really, I think it's better for me to reply sincerely.

Can you see, when you sit back and think about it, that when you set out to convince people that misandry is a matter of concern, and the most damning evidence you can cite is this story, then you're kind of making my point for me?

I've done you the courtesy of reading the entire thread that you linked to, from top to bottom, and frankly, it doesn't support your claims at all. There's nothing to indicate that Mr. Bonaiuto was was destitute and despondent over a divorce at the time of the 2001 airplane crash. One newspaper article does mention, in passing, that he'd been disbarred in 1997, and convicted in a $30 million fraud scheme in 1993. But no mention of the fallout of a divorce.

Far from being just "a guy who waved $200 under (Bonaiuto's) nose for a flight", the other man in the plane was one Joseph LeBlanc, who was a pilot of some three years' experience and a former flight student of Bonaiuto's. The third person on board was LeBlanc's girlfriend, with whom he was described by friends as being ecstatically in love. The scuttlebutt around the airport was that they'd made a casual decision to fly to another airport, and then get some coffee.

It wasn't determined which man was at the controls when the plane crashed shortly after takeoff, or who made the decision to fly in conditions of such low visibility. It should be noted, though, that Bonaiuto was an experienced and certified IFR (instrument-only) pilot, and well-qualified to fly in those conditions. (Certification of the plane itself for IFR had apparently lapsed, although the plane was fully equipped for IFR.) Mr. Bonaiuto's night vision would not have been a significant factor in IFR flight, in which one relies solely on dashboard instruments.

Coming as I do from a family of aviators, that discussion is interesting to me. But I'm afraid it leads us far, far away from questions of misandry and misogyny. So let's return to that discussion, and to your post.

Now, assuming that the story is just as you tell it: can you please help me find the misandry in this picture?

Who is the misandrist in the story? Not Mr. Bonaiuto, obviously. Is it that shark of a lawyer who, at least temporarily, tied up all the couple's assets and put Mr. Bonaiuto in such a bind? I don't know the lawyer's gender, or the lawyer's feelings about men, but I think it's pretty safe to say this was just what you called it: the work of a shark lawyer. And not a misandrist.

Now, of course, the prime suspect for misandry would be Mrs. Bonaiuto. If she went along with that shark attorney, and eventually took her husband to the cleaners, then she may be guilty of greed and unfairness. But is she really a misandrist - a woman who harbors a pathological hatred of men in general? I sure can't see any evidence of that. And hey, she even seemed to have some kind words for her ex at the funeral.

Maybe you feel the divorce statutes that have given such advantage to wives ever since the dawn of our republic are the work of misandrists. If so, I have to ask you to stop and think again. You're actually aware that those laws have always been drafted and passed by our male-dominated legislatures, and not by some mob of angry, man-hatin' women. Right?

By the way, if you're of a mind to work to make those divorce laws more equitable, you'll have my assent. And if you want to work to make all laws more equitable, across the board, well then, you'll have my unreserved admiration. But I'm afraid that admiration is something I'll never be able to muster for people who tilt at this windmill of "misandry" while assuring us all that it's really a deadly and dangerous dragon.

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There's a few of them Prophet 451 May 2014 #1
And they don't have *institutional* backing, either. So that counts for something, IMO. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #17
Okay, who are you and what did you do with AJ90? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #26
lol. i saw another one along the way. cant remember where. seabeyond May 2014 #33
People can always learn, and improve themselves. Even cynical ol' me acknowledges as much. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #34
I think black folks can be racist... MellowDem May 2014 #39
The definition of racism is ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #41
According to you, that's the definition of racism... MellowDem May 2014 #45
No, according to post-civil rights social scientists ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #55
According to your link, your view of racism is dangerously naive... MellowDem May 2014 #80
I don't think the first snippet that you cite ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #90
You make thoughtful points... MellowDem May 2014 #91
Sorry BS. In the military met plenty of racists of both races that used their rank. Katashi_itto May 2014 #57
You met plenty of bigots ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #59
You overlook my experience in govt service too and in civilian life Katashi_itto May 2014 #60
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #61
why? noiretextatique May 2014 #63
My friend , I have something that will help you with this conversation randys1 May 2014 #78
Discouraging discussion doesn't help with a conversation... MellowDem May 2014 #81
He has been right quite alot lately. bravenak May 2014 #51
They can personally, but not institutionally eridani May 2014 #86
That "personally, but not intstitutionally" ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #87
Very true Prophet 451 May 2014 #40
But they also gather at the polls and vote insane misogynists into office to harm women. freshwest May 2014 #20
Was that directed at me? n/t Prophet 451 May 2014 #42
It's not a swipe at you, just a response to the: freshwest May 2014 #43
Misogynists, yes but I was talking about misandrists n/t Prophet 451 May 2014 #49
Sorry, I was still in the realm of the OP's satire. You are correct, and I was thinking of the other freshwest May 2014 #50
Righteous Rant, Mister Ed! tytyty n/t chervilant May 2014 #2
What he said. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #3
An Elaboration Of What I Said In Another Thread ProfessorGAC May 2014 #4
AND I will repeat ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #27
Unfortunately my ignore list is growing over this Nobel_Twaddle_III May 2014 #5
73 posts and you already have an ignore list lol nt msongs May 2014 #7
Since I do all most all my reading at work, I can not sign in. Nobel_Twaddle_III May 2014 #10
why is this so amusing? TorchTheWitch May 2014 #11
a newbie is whining about people picking on white men. 99/100 that indicates Republican troll geek tragedy May 2014 #13
It indicates sulphurdunn May 2014 #29
My ignore list is blank. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #21
thank you ! Nobel_Twaddle_III May 2014 #25
You would be much happier at Discussionist. Welcome (back?) to DU. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #12
Yeah, I hear you. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #18
oh I like this site, and it will recover. Nobel_Twaddle_III May 2014 #44
and I'm proud to to be on AJ90's ignore list. kwassa May 2014 #82
If you are seeing... CSStrowbridge May 2014 #22
Projection is exactly what it is. And maybe a dash (or more) of narcissism. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #36
At the risk of becoming a part of your ignore list ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #28
But that would involve toning down the ego. And some simply can't handle that. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #48
projection noiretextatique May 2014 #62
I'm revisiting mine right now...[n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #73
This white male disagrees utterly and wholeheartedly... arcane1 May 2014 #6
On first reading, that there word tripped me up too Flying Squirrel May 2014 #68
Ahh... I should've read it in my birth-accent arcane1 May 2014 #72
I don't know but a personal situation occurred in my life jimlup May 2014 #8
Thank you. bravenak May 2014 #9
Some women hate me so much, you'd think they actually LIKED me. Ken Burch May 2014 #14
Well said. nt el_bryanto May 2014 #15
I once knew a woman who detested men, but she had no power over anyone, so she was simply annoying. Throd May 2014 #16
Nice surprise of an OP. Bravenak says 'Misandry is their Benghazi.' Awaiting your Reverse Racism OP. freshwest May 2014 #19
"Misandry" never phases me either Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #23
Mr. Ed, BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #24
Why would you put someone on an ignore list? sulphurdunn May 2014 #30
some people are so stupid they are not worth the effort Skittles May 2014 #83
misandry turned me into a newt! mwrguy May 2014 #31
You should write a country song called "the next best thing.. spooky3 May 2014 #32
I don't know any treestar May 2014 #35
Far more of a bogeyman than anything tangible or real. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #38
Oh fer criminy sakes Flying Squirrel May 2014 #46
Enthusiastically recommended! Heidi May 2014 #47
This is one of the best posts ever on DU Tsiyu May 2014 #52
I would love to see some of these guys' bullshit turned back at them. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #53
Oh I was talking about going all out Tsiyu May 2014 #56
No disagreement with any of that. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #64
No, two wrongs won't make a right, or right a wrong Demeter May 2014 #67
Really, Dad? Tsiyu May 2014 #71
It's mom, and I'm 4 years older than you. Demeter May 2014 #74
Bite me Tsiyu May 2014 #77
Perfect HangOnKids May 2014 #85
Thanks Tsiyu May 2014 #93
This is one of the best OPs JustAnotherGen May 2014 #54
I really hate all the anti-male laws being passed noiretextatique May 2014 #58
This is simply fantastic. redqueen May 2014 #65
That was stellar, Mister Ed Demeter May 2014 #66
There now, you see? That right there is what's so great about being a guy. Mister Ed May 2014 #69
You said it Demeter May 2014 #75
Well done Mr. E! thucythucy May 2014 #70
Kick. LOVE it. Squinch May 2014 #76
I like the way you rant. K&R Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #79
Great post! UtahLib May 2014 #84
T L0oniX May 2014 #88
Thanks! Enjoyed this. ancianita May 2014 #89
This is one of the best OPs I've read in my 10 years at DU. Heidi May 2014 #92
great post! Kali Jun 2014 #94
Oh, my wryter2000 Jun 2014 #95
Misanthropy is also out there. MineralMan Jun 2014 #96
Trying to be cute, fail. Scott6113 Jun 2014 #97
I think we need to talk. Mister Ed Jun 2014 #98
oh Mister Ed, you've done it again! Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #99
reply Scott6113 Jun 2014 #100
I think I see the problem here. Mister Ed Jun 2014 #103
More than semantics Scott6113 Jun 2014 #104
Kindness and respect it is, then. Good watchwords for us all. n/t Mister Ed Jun 2014 #105
Lol Sheldon Cooper Jun 2014 #107
K&R Jamastiene Jun 2014 #101
Mr. Ed, you're my new hero!!!! DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #102
Nice! ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #106
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