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Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
69. I think you are badly misjudging this
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:08 AM
Jun 2014
Further, anyone complaining had better be in top physical condition, not a roll of flab on 'em, with excellent PT scores, perfect military bearing, good at their job, never getting into trouble off duty, and never, ever, not once late for work.

Do you see where I'm going, here?


I see what you are saying- they had best put up, shut up, toe the party line and never complain or we will torpedo their career. That is a pretty disgusting attitude.

I also know that isn't reality, or how it works. Maybe at the O6 and up level, but not down in the real Army. Nor is it how we run our military stifling dissent. If the dissent rises to the level for UCMJ action, take action. If it doesn't rise to that level, than it is still protect freedom of speech. Torpedoing careers for having contrary opinions on how discipline is handled or any other gripe isn't how things are done- nor should it be. Soldiers, including leaders, griping among themselves about decisions of leadership has been going on since the first army was created. We gripe about crazy uniform policy, we gripe about changes in tatoo regs, we gripe about changes in what discipline is considered acceptable and what is not, we gripe about overreaction to whatever the hot topic of the day is. If he gets a slap on the wrist, it won't be ignored.

My rater is an E8, senior rater and O3, reviewer an O4. I have drill this weekend so I will get a much better idea of their views, but I have been with them long enough to know it won't be "put up and shut up", not will it be favorable to him getting any kind of slap on the wrist. In fact I will be willing to bet if I stood up and used every colorful metaphor I can think of to describe him I would probably just get coffee cups raised in a toast. Think they would go along with what you describe?

A slap on the wrist will be seen by NCO's and Officers, at least in the army, as a slap in the face for their efforts to maintain discipline and standards. It will be seen as all Soldiers as a slap in the face to all Soldiers who have strived and worked hard to do their duty in an honorable fashion. At a time when everybody has seen much harsher punishments played out for those who did far less harm than Berghdal caused, a high profile case like this with a little or no punishment will send the exact wrong message across the force about discipline, duty, responsibility and the fact that we hold those who fail accountable. That is the view I am seeing in the NCO corps right now- glad he is back, that doesn't excuse him from being held accountable for essentially derailing the entire mission in the whole country for months to look for him and putting many, many more at risk.

And you won't get everybody to just shut up, and you certainly won't any support for torpedoing the careers of people who disagree as you disgustingly suggest- especially since the majority of the officer corps, at least in the army, leans heavily conservative. And the fact that conservatives are way over represented in the officer corps is exactly why I find your implications so disgusting- if you advocate they actually do that in this case it sets a precedent that it is acceptable to screw with somebodies evals because they speak political opinions you don't like- and that is scary. I know as a liberal I have been a minority in almost every unit I was in, but I have always been confident that my leaders would treat me fairly and give me accurate and fair evaluations based only on my job performance, not on my personal beliefs or opinions. I don't want to see that change for the next generation.

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He walked away from his unit B2G Jun 2014 #1
with permission kpete Jun 2014 #3
If I were to leave the base, would it cause problems if I took my sensitive equipment? yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #7
He left a note saying he was leaving. YarnAddict Jun 2014 #23
"Disillusioned"?? panader0 Jun 2014 #53
there was no note, repeat NO NOTE riverwalker Jun 2014 #77
When I wrote that post YarnAddict Jun 2014 #79
good point riverwalker Jun 2014 #80
The note bit has been debunked. broiles Jun 2014 #81
Yes, it has been, YarnAddict Jun 2014 #82
Permission? I do not think that word means what you think it means. JJChambers Jun 2014 #36
It doesn't say anything about books either. yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #5
In the environment he was living at nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #2
This one quote said it all for me: kpete Jun 2014 #9
Absolutely nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #13
It's as relevant today as it was two years ago. Amazing analysis, and true. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #24
There are plenty of intelligent educated people in the service IronLionZion Jun 2014 #68
"If deployment is lame, I'm going to get lost in the mountains and make my way to China." Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #4
Is that reliable? Because intel intercepts suggest he was captured during an TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #6
Where do you get that from? B2G Jun 2014 #12
Hastings Rolling Stone article and this thread: TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #16
Here is a DU post about that csziggy Jun 2014 #17
Read Michael Hastings' piece in Rolling Stone. MADem Jun 2014 #18
I think he walked away (to where, who knows) but the attack on post quote TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #21
No, he was a fair piece away. It's in the Hastings piece. MADem Jun 2014 #31
Oh yeah, I think he will be a wreck for some time. I think they messed with TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #32
He left a note saying he was leaving. YarnAddict Jun 2014 #26
He didn't say he wasn't coming back. MADem Jun 2014 #28
Excerpt from a NYT article YarnAddict Jun 2014 #30
A good lawyer can make that disappear. Even a bad lawyer can. MADem Jun 2014 #34
I just read it YarnAddict Jun 2014 #38
It would appear that "note" turned out to be fiction, as well. MADem Jun 2014 #76
He enlisted in 2008, right? Potentially a lot of "enlistment errors" by then... JHB Jun 2014 #67
Around that time--they damn near just left the gate open for awhile, there. MADem Jun 2014 #72
Section 2 Article 85 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #41
Not if he was incompetent to serve in the first place, and that was missed both MADem Jun 2014 #48
That is what they will hang their hat on 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #51
If the SECDEF wants to call it a faulty enlistment, that's what it'll be! MADem Jun 2014 #66
I suppose his farewell note means nothing B2G Jun 2014 #44
It shows he left. It doesn't show that he went to a local village TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #45
I'm afraid this note turned out to be fiction. And it was a Republican who reported it, too. MADem Jun 2014 #75
that would be Cody Full riverwalker Jun 2014 #78
When he was captured Turbineguy Jun 2014 #8
The army inquiry has started nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #14
McCain was shot down. This guy walked away. MADem Jun 2014 #22
Because Time in Grade promotions are automatic for POWs. MADem Jun 2014 #15
See, what the GOP (and others) are missing here is something really simple: The Straight Story Jun 2014 #10
In the military that concept is closer to the Napoleonic code nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #20
DOD is going to resolve this without fanfare. MADem Jun 2014 #11
I don't think there's really anyone who wanted him held as a hero-- TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #19
I've seen a few somewhat naive posts, mainly as a pushback to the GOP Hang-em-High drum beat. MADem Jun 2014 #27
I don't think he was suited for that much structure, it's like TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #37
good kpete Jun 2014 #33
Cheers back atcha. MADem Jun 2014 #35
None of the allegations matter because his status was "Prisoner of War" MohRokTah Jun 2014 #25
politcal group bpj62 Jun 2014 #42
Good post. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #46
From that article it appears Bergdahl was extremely gung-ho in a unit of fuck-ups. ieoeja Jun 2014 #29
For crying out loud, they sound like something out of the movie Platoon. Why can't Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #39
....and he took off. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #40
I read "Catch 22" in high school back in the 1960s ... spin Jun 2014 #52
I read it first time when I was the marines. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #57
All the platoon interviews in this article were shopped by GOP strategists. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #43
I hope the investigation is fair. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #47
He did go AWOL but it doesn't matter. MADem Jun 2014 #49
what will be will be. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #50
Don't bet on that Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #56
Not the same at all. There were actually FOUR soldiers that went over the wire. MADem Jun 2014 #58
If they just do a slap on the wrist NJP Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #60
Look, I spent decades in uniform so I can understand their feeling, HOWEVER... MADem Jun 2014 #64
I think you are badly misjudging this Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #69
Force shaping isn't an "optional" evolution, here. MADem Jun 2014 #71
You don't have to lecture me about how force shaping is going Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #73
I'm not lecturing you--your comments led me to believe you don't have an appreciation of it, frankly MADem Jun 2014 #74
No he won't nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #62
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #54
When does he get his sex change operation?? kentuck Jun 2014 #55
Huh? nt MADem Jun 2014 #59
He probably had boxes in his garage and a pole dancing girlfriend. Autumn Jun 2014 #61
I read he didn't eat BBQ with the rest of the unit, either. Cha Jun 2014 #63
He had studied BALLET!! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #65
"You read too many books, you talk funny, and you don't get drunk." ck4829 Jun 2014 #70
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