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questionseverything

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29. nsa makes it impossible to "confront witnesses"
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jun 2014

SOD bypasses the Constitution

Even beyond the larger systemic problem of insulating NSA surveillance from judicial review, criminal defendants whose arrest or case is built upon FISA evidence are now deprived of their right to examine and challenge the evidence used against them.

Taken together, the Fifth and Sixth Amendments guarantee a criminal defendant a meaningful opportunity to present a defense and challenge the government's case. But this intelligence laundering deprives defendants of these important constitutional protections. It makes it harder for prosecutors to comply with their ethical obligation under Brady v. Maryland to disclose any exculpatory or favorable evidence to the defense—an obligation that extends to disclosing evidence bearing on the reliability of a government witness. Hiding the source of information used by the government to initiate an investigation or make an arrest means defendants are deprived of the opportunity to challenge the accuracy or veracity of the government's investigation, let alone seek out favorable evidence in the government's possession.

Courts must have all the facts

The third major legal problem is that the practice suggests DEA agents are misleading the courts. Wiretaps, search warrants, and other forms of surveillance authorizations require law enforcement to go to a judge and lay out the facts that support the request. The court's function is to scrutinize the facts to determine the appropriate legal standard has been met based on truthful, reliable evidence. So, for example, if the government is using evidence gathered from an informant to support its request for a search warrant, it has to establish to the court that the informant is reliable and trustworthy so that the court can be convinced there is probable cause to support the search. But when law enforcement omits integral facts—like the source of a tip used to make an arrest—the court is deprived of the opportunity to fulfill its traditional role and searches are signed off without the full knowledge of the court.

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When Judith Miller went to jail, it was Fitzmas. Now Risen faces the same charges, msanthrope Jun 2014 #1
More importantly: Why, after Bush dropped the matter, did Obama go after Risen? Octafish Jun 2014 #2
Bush dropped the matter? Kindly post the indictment of Sterling that predates the Obama msanthrope Jun 2014 #3
Yeah. That's why it's so, ah, ironic. Octafish Jun 2014 #5
+infinity!!!! newfie11 Jun 2014 #6
What JFK told newspaper publishers... Octafish Jun 2014 #11
+1 for JFK. He was right then, and he's right now. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #36
No--what it means is that the Bush DOJ already had one leak investigation going on, and msanthrope Jun 2014 #7
Well stated, and... Orrex Jun 2014 #9
It originates in the ODS section of the federal code, where the President is completely to blame msanthrope Jun 2014 #13
Wait a minute. Does this thread count as billable hours? Orrex Jun 2014 #14
As one of the site's identified paid shills (tm) I get paid piecework, not hourly. msanthrope Jun 2014 #16
You nailed it. And Octafish is a racist for even raising the question. beerandjesus Jun 2014 #15
OFFS....really? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #20
That's what I think every time I hear that ugly "ODS" slander. beerandjesus Jun 2014 #22
nsa makes it impossible to "confront witnesses" questionseverything Jun 2014 #29
I don't think Plame Affair was nonsense. Octafish Jun 2014 #10
The Plame affair was nonsense, in the sense the prosecutions did not go far enough. The Espionage msanthrope Jun 2014 #12
Treason. Octafish Jun 2014 #17
Sure. Now prove it under Article III. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #19
That's why we need freedom of the press and transparent government. Octafish Jun 2014 #21
Borger's point seems not to be about secrecy, but about the idea that the CIA and FBI should msanthrope Jun 2014 #25
fitz shielded cheney & questionseverything Jun 2014 #30
Bush has admitted he ordered torture. eomer Jun 2014 #49
Following your argument pscot Jun 2014 #37
Sure--but Novak's dead, and Fitzgerald never could find evidence that Armitage knew of Plame's msanthrope Jun 2014 #38
Already done. On 6 March 2007 Libby was found guilty on four of the five counts against him. ieoeja Jun 2014 #39
How very old-fashioned of you Octafish! Didn't you know? That Bill of Rights, it's so 'quaint' sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #45
I remember some, most of this from when it occured Leme Jun 2014 #4
Candidate Obama debates President Obama on government surveillance... Octafish Jun 2014 #8
well, I voted lots of "independents/ third choice" since 72 Leme Jun 2014 #23
It's almost like there was some profound revelation made to him after inauguration hootinholler Jun 2014 #26
Either that or it was all just bullshit. zeemike Jun 2014 #32
People say this but their is nothing possible much less plausible that changes anything TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #48
I think the problem smallcat88 Jun 2014 #18
aliens ????? lol Leme Jun 2014 #24
In a nation under law, there'd be no secret government, stay behind networks, Secret Teams... Octafish Jun 2014 #27
RIP Mark Lombardi RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #28
Sorry, never bought that... gcomeau Jun 2014 #31
K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #33
Ironically, according to Sibel Edmonds, the CIA is part of the nuclear black market Oilwellian Jun 2014 #34
In my name. Laelth Jun 2014 #35
K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #40
k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #41
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #42
Yes, yes it is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #43
Just shameful! And from the admin we worked so hard for to try to end these abuses. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #44
There's no investigative reporting anywhere… not here.. MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #46
in such a sad way..... Leme Jun 2014 #47
This story seems so quaint and naive today... Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #50
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