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137. When people make reasoned arguments with cited sources...

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:30 AM

Jun 2014

...I discuss those. I think you will find those of us who commonly take positions unpopular with posters on the D.U. (regardless of whether they're actually majority positions in the Democratic party as a whole), try to argue the point. Because I do agree with you that those who respond to reasoning, and/or citations of fact that they'd prefer not to be true, with childish insults and appeals to tribalism, are essentially conceding that they've lost the argument.

But here, there is no option to do so. Chomsky isn't debating. He's asserting. And the people who quote him on the DU are doing so because he has a reputation for making overwrought and unsupported assertions that they agree with. So it is entirely fair to point out that he's done so previously in defense of vile regimes, simply because the U.S. opposed them.

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Chomsky:The White House seems determined to demolish the foundations of our civil liberties" [View all] Oilwellian Jun 2014 OP

Good article, read it earlier. Sad where we are now. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #1

The American people have to continue beating this drum Oilwellian Jun 2014 #3

It's been smoke and mirrors for so long. They really don't care what 'We the People' think one iota. Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #17

Its disappointing that so many people aren't getting it! Rockyj Jun 2014 #80

And so many people support that police state. alarimer Jun 2014 #117

Uh Oh billhicks76 Jun 2014 #13

They can keep their heads in fan heaven, it doesn't change the Truth. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #18

Truth A Dirty Word To Some billhicks76 Jun 2014 #19

It is the foulest word to those that seek power and money. There used to be Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #35

What's the dungeon? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #40

It is now called 'Creative Speculation', under Offbeat listing. It is bad there. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #47

Free Speech Zone? Lol billhicks76 Jun 2014 #49

Agree completely. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #64

I visit there a lot! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #53

I read you there, Bill! I never comment anymore or I would be banned. Strange though, how the same Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #66

thank you very much Mnemosyne. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #126

It HAS failed, a majority of people do not believe the official story of 9/11. I don't know why sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #67

I made the mistake of saying that I haven't nyabingi Jun 2014 #93

Sooner or later the truth will out and many of us will be vindicated. Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #103

I hope the truth does come out one day nyabingi Jun 2014 #105

Less was spent investigating 9/11 than Clinton's penis. I consider 9/11 the culmination of PNAC's Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #110

Kissinger billhicks76 Jun 2014 #120

Suspect billhicks76 Jun 2014 #119

Good observation malokvale77 Jun 2014 #116

As My Daddy Said People Do What's In Their Own Interests billhicks76 Jun 2014 #121

As my father said... malokvale77 Jun 2014 #124

not just scamming us but.... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #125

Yes malokvale77 Jun 2014 #127

Who said... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #2

If one has to ask it may make the question superfluous. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2014 #9

I don't know, but I know who said THIS: bvar22 Jun 2014 #54

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #68

You are correct. yallerdawg Jun 2014 #104

Noam Chomsky is on-point, as always. PoliticalPothead Jun 2014 #4

Chomsky minces no words in conveying the gravity of what our government is perpetrating in radical indepat Jun 2014 #5

rec! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2014 #6

K&R Why Snowden is a Wanted Man: The Power of Transparency woo me with science Jun 2014 #7

K & R & winner of the NO Shit Sherlock award of the day. L0oniX Jun 2014 #8

It's a worthy award. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #71

Anti-American Chomsky is anti-American ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #10

Do you think we need to worry about the uncontrolled power of the NSA/CIA security state? nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #12

No reply, as usual. nt elias49 Jun 2014 #122

Well from what I know of conservatives, they either love the heavy handed security state or, they rhett o rick Jun 2014 #123

Khmer Rouge? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #14

It was a right wing smear dating back decades Oilwellian Jun 2014 #24

Seemed Like A BS Smear billhicks76 Jun 2014 #27

He did no such thing. This canard's legs keep getting longer... Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #30

Ah, the classic method of deflection... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #51

What would you know about "the vast majority of Democrats"? By your own admission, Marr Jun 2014 #77

The very fact that Obama used Chomsky as the brunt of a joke Oilwellian Jun 2014 #86

You've a right to your opinion... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #90

This is an ancient right-wing smear. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #32

what do you expect from someone who quotes Karl Rove? nashville_brook Jun 2014 #44

If I was going to post conservative crap mudy waters Jun 2014 #99

Yah malokvale77 Jun 2014 #118

America, Love It Or Leave It. Again ? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #22

So, you disagree with him.... daleanime Jun 2014 #23

quite possibly the dumbest post I ever read on DU. KG Jun 2014 #26

Epic fail. L0oniX Jun 2014 #36

sounding more "conservative" than "democrat" here nashville_brook Jun 2014 #42

You got your wires crossed, guy... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #48

the reason you get challenged on it is b/c the phrase is a Rove-ism, and as he goes on to say... nashville_brook Jun 2014 #52

Chomsky is not a Democrat ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #59

You've made some rather creative, yet unsupported allegations about Chomsky... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #72

They are neither "made up" nor "unsupported" ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #96

I think your handle is one word too long..first you use a Rove-ism.. truebrit71 Jun 2014 #84

You left out a word. Let me fix it for you: Anti-American POLICIES. In the real world, there is a sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #70

Pro NSA is ...anti-american. Confession is good for the soul. L0oniX Jun 2014 #75

Your comment is ad hominem and does not further the discussion. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #95

Ironic that you should point that out in the one place it doesn't apply... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #115

You should be complimented. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #132

When people make reasoned arguments with cited sources... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #137

As I said, sometime I agree with Chomsky, sometimes I don't. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #138

Nuh uh! And Bush was worse gratuitous Jun 2014 #11

those who cite "BBWW" (but bush was worse) don't seem very cognizant or even interested, really nashville_brook Jun 2014 #16

Bet you real money that Poppy's network STILL has more control over the intellignce community Demeter Jun 2014 #20

^^ This. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #21

You Got It billhicks76 Jun 2014 #29

yep -- and that's exactly where the critique should be pointed nashville_brook Jun 2014 #38

+1000 JDPriestly Jun 2014 #94

Wrong billhicks76 Jun 2014 #28

i completely agree -- short of real action on this, it's the only conclusion that can be made. nashville_brook Jun 2014 #41

Check Out Today's Post billhicks76 Jun 2014 #46

Well said. woo me with science Jun 2014 #135

K & R! n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #15

Here in the reality based community Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #25

It's amazing, isn't it? For some reason I thought this site is the snappyturtle Jun 2014 #33

Well, some of DU is one (DU), and the rest is the other (BOG) Demeter Jun 2014 #37

I spend little time here anymore because of the, so aptly put, bifurcation. nt snappyturtle Jun 2014 #39

Same here. nt mimi85 Jun 2014 #69

wow -- two different posters in this thread quote Karl Rove to disparage Chomsky (see edit) nashville_brook Jun 2014 #43

NSA shill employees? L0oniX Jun 2014 #74

Huge k/r 840high Jun 2014 #31

Well, we've gone from the War on Drugs to this War on Thugs stupidicus Jun 2014 #34

You are now a fake liberal or a paid shill mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #45

Regardless of which, clearly a racist. morningfog Jun 2014 #55

You sir,or maam are Un-American!!! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #57

Loyalists are loyalists. morningfog Jun 2014 #58

Un-American mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #61

I am expecting Rod Serling to post on here Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #65

Is all true. But it's gonna be like Idiocracy, not 1984. They'll use it to target their Viagra sales McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #50

Under the bus with you!! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #56

Very Powerful and Frightening....Are we "there" yet? bvar22 Jun 2014 #60

Wait, ProSense Jun 2014 #62

The OP is about our civil liberties, specifically the surveillance state Android3.14 Jun 2014 #79

And? ProSense Jun 2014 #83

Good lord LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #81

I made a point, and ProSense Jun 2014 #82

I don't know if you are player or just getting played nolabels Jun 2014 #85

People ProSense Jun 2014 #87

So with this information should i feel proud of the US criminal justice system? nolabels Jun 2014 #89

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #63

Guaranteed privacy of "persons, houses, papers and effects" was seen as foundational to freedom. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #73

His ODS is getting feeble. ucrdem Jun 2014 #76

I heard that Chomsky wouldn't even put an Obama sign in his yard. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2014 #98

I didn't know he had a yard. ucrdem Jun 2014 #100

What I want to know Android3.14 Jun 2014 #78

People who want to be taken seriously treestar Jun 2014 #88

well, the title may not be the best Leme Jun 2014 #91

Then they will prosecute Hayden? LINK grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #97

It's too bad George Orwell is not alive today . He would see his fictional city of Oceania in 1984 in geretogo Jun 2014 #92

How dare he say this! Obama is dreamy Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #101

And what is Greenwald going to do with his royalties from this book? George II Jun 2014 #102

A very stale complaint Oilwellian Jun 2014 #106

I'm retired, but when I worked I got paid. On the other hand I didn't make money off the "work"... George II Jun 2014 #108

Are you saying journalists and writers should work for free? n/t Oilwellian Jun 2014 #109

Not at all, but Greenwald isn't your normal everyday "journalist" George II Jun 2014 #130

Well, you do have a point Oilwellian Jun 2014 #136

ah, ah, ah.... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #128

Take two aspirins George II Jun 2014 #129

duh!? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #131

Probably less then the beltway bandits do with thier ample profits. Pholus Jun 2014 #107

But if yer' not a terrorist... nikto Jun 2014 #111

hey! Freedom isn't Free nikto Jun 2014 #112

In a free society, you should be willing... nikto Jun 2014 #113

But I heard that freedom is slavery FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #114

ignorance will give us strength nikto Jun 2014 #133

kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #134