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Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
73. You don't have to lecture me about how force shaping is going
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jun 2014

I am knee deep in it right now. Heck, my retirement papers are pending right now (by my choice, not due to force shaping) so I am well aware of exactly what is playing out.

I have made the hard decisions to have my commander start the separation papers on too many soldiers recently. Some needed to go, some could have been redeemed but under the current environment won't get a chance. Not in one case did personal or political differences come into play.

Unlike how you and your peers must have done it previously, based on your claims, we are doing it with fairness and integrity. Political and personal opinions are not coming in to play, only objective performance measures. Sure, if you can't pass your PT test or make weight, you are in trouble these days and won't get second chances above the minimum required by regulation. If you are an NCO who isn't trying to keep going to schools and get promoted but just featherbedding and coasting in your current job, you will likely get shown the door by the board- especially if you are over 20. But not because you said something unpopular to the current senior leadership or if you have a bumper sticker that expresses an opinion your supervisor doesn't like.

And you don't get a negative evaluation for expressing criticism- even of decisions made at high levels. If you did most of the Army would have been disciplined cussing about Shinseki and the black beret, or the new tatoo regs everyone is complaining about now. In fact if somebody ever tried that, it wouldn't go well. Evaluations have to be based on black and white, demonstrable, documents factors. To put a negative block in an evaluation you have to show that the Soldier received previous counseling on their activities and was told what the expectations were and didn't correct the behavior- and a counseling to not talk about something like this wouldn't fly if someone was foolish enough to attempt it. Unless they could articulate it was being done in a way that demonstrably harmed the force and that is a high, very high, bar for use when regulating speech. So boards reviewing files for force shaping won't have any idea of a Soldiers opinion on the matter.

All these force shaping decisions are made two places- for junior enlisted by the commander and his/her unit leadership at the company level. They won't care about the criticism, and in fact likely will feel the same way. For NCO's and officers by boards, who won't have a clue what the individuals personal opinion of this situation is- they only see evaluations written by the individuals leaders and their other service record, not their Facebook posts. So your assertion that criticism of this will actually affect anyones retention is laughable, along with statements like "They also better not be repeating war stories from people who exaggerate, too" smacks of a desperate attempt to scare those in uniform into shutting up.

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He walked away from his unit B2G Jun 2014 #1
with permission kpete Jun 2014 #3
If I were to leave the base, would it cause problems if I took my sensitive equipment? yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #7
He left a note saying he was leaving. YarnAddict Jun 2014 #23
"Disillusioned"?? panader0 Jun 2014 #53
there was no note, repeat NO NOTE riverwalker Jun 2014 #77
When I wrote that post YarnAddict Jun 2014 #79
good point riverwalker Jun 2014 #80
The note bit has been debunked. broiles Jun 2014 #81
Yes, it has been, YarnAddict Jun 2014 #82
Permission? I do not think that word means what you think it means. JJChambers Jun 2014 #36
It doesn't say anything about books either. yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #5
In the environment he was living at nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #2
This one quote said it all for me: kpete Jun 2014 #9
Absolutely nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #13
It's as relevant today as it was two years ago. Amazing analysis, and true. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #24
There are plenty of intelligent educated people in the service IronLionZion Jun 2014 #68
"If deployment is lame, I'm going to get lost in the mountains and make my way to China." Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #4
Is that reliable? Because intel intercepts suggest he was captured during an TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #6
Where do you get that from? B2G Jun 2014 #12
Hastings Rolling Stone article and this thread: TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #16
Here is a DU post about that csziggy Jun 2014 #17
Read Michael Hastings' piece in Rolling Stone. MADem Jun 2014 #18
I think he walked away (to where, who knows) but the attack on post quote TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #21
No, he was a fair piece away. It's in the Hastings piece. MADem Jun 2014 #31
Oh yeah, I think he will be a wreck for some time. I think they messed with TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #32
He left a note saying he was leaving. YarnAddict Jun 2014 #26
He didn't say he wasn't coming back. MADem Jun 2014 #28
Excerpt from a NYT article YarnAddict Jun 2014 #30
A good lawyer can make that disappear. Even a bad lawyer can. MADem Jun 2014 #34
I just read it YarnAddict Jun 2014 #38
It would appear that "note" turned out to be fiction, as well. MADem Jun 2014 #76
He enlisted in 2008, right? Potentially a lot of "enlistment errors" by then... JHB Jun 2014 #67
Around that time--they damn near just left the gate open for awhile, there. MADem Jun 2014 #72
Section 2 Article 85 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #41
Not if he was incompetent to serve in the first place, and that was missed both MADem Jun 2014 #48
That is what they will hang their hat on 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #51
If the SECDEF wants to call it a faulty enlistment, that's what it'll be! MADem Jun 2014 #66
I suppose his farewell note means nothing B2G Jun 2014 #44
It shows he left. It doesn't show that he went to a local village TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #45
I'm afraid this note turned out to be fiction. And it was a Republican who reported it, too. MADem Jun 2014 #75
that would be Cody Full riverwalker Jun 2014 #78
When he was captured Turbineguy Jun 2014 #8
The army inquiry has started nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #14
McCain was shot down. This guy walked away. MADem Jun 2014 #22
Because Time in Grade promotions are automatic for POWs. MADem Jun 2014 #15
See, what the GOP (and others) are missing here is something really simple: The Straight Story Jun 2014 #10
In the military that concept is closer to the Napoleonic code nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #20
DOD is going to resolve this without fanfare. MADem Jun 2014 #11
I don't think there's really anyone who wanted him held as a hero-- TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #19
I've seen a few somewhat naive posts, mainly as a pushback to the GOP Hang-em-High drum beat. MADem Jun 2014 #27
I don't think he was suited for that much structure, it's like TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #37
good kpete Jun 2014 #33
Cheers back atcha. MADem Jun 2014 #35
None of the allegations matter because his status was "Prisoner of War" MohRokTah Jun 2014 #25
politcal group bpj62 Jun 2014 #42
Good post. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #46
From that article it appears Bergdahl was extremely gung-ho in a unit of fuck-ups. ieoeja Jun 2014 #29
For crying out loud, they sound like something out of the movie Platoon. Why can't Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #39
....and he took off. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #40
I read "Catch 22" in high school back in the 1960s ... spin Jun 2014 #52
I read it first time when I was the marines. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #57
All the platoon interviews in this article were shopped by GOP strategists. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #43
I hope the investigation is fair. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #47
He did go AWOL but it doesn't matter. MADem Jun 2014 #49
what will be will be. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #50
Don't bet on that Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #56
Not the same at all. There were actually FOUR soldiers that went over the wire. MADem Jun 2014 #58
If they just do a slap on the wrist NJP Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #60
Look, I spent decades in uniform so I can understand their feeling, HOWEVER... MADem Jun 2014 #64
I think you are badly misjudging this Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #69
Force shaping isn't an "optional" evolution, here. MADem Jun 2014 #71
You don't have to lecture me about how force shaping is going Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #73
I'm not lecturing you--your comments led me to believe you don't have an appreciation of it, frankly MADem Jun 2014 #74
No he won't nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #62
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #54
When does he get his sex change operation?? kentuck Jun 2014 #55
Huh? nt MADem Jun 2014 #59
He probably had boxes in his garage and a pole dancing girlfriend. Autumn Jun 2014 #61
I read he didn't eat BBQ with the rest of the unit, either. Cha Jun 2014 #63
He had studied BALLET!! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #65
"You read too many books, you talk funny, and you don't get drunk." ck4829 Jun 2014 #70
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