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ProSense

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Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:49 PM Jun 2014

Greenwald uses Bergdahl to hit Obama, Democrats [View all]

Greenwald:

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The sole excuse now offered by Democratic loyalists for this failure has been that Congress prevented him from closing the camp. But here, the Obama White House appears to be arguing that Congress lacks the authority to constrain the President’s power to release detainees when he wants. What other excuse is there for his clear violation of a law that requires 30-day notice to Congress before any detainees are released?

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Obama defenders seem to have two choices here: either the president broke the law in releasing these five detainees, or Congress cannot bind the commander-in-chief’s power to transfer detainees when he wants, thus leaving Obama free to make those decisions himself. Which is it?

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/06/03/excuse-remains-obamas-failure-close-gitmo/

Greenwald's sole purpose for focusing on this event is to take a hit at President Obama and Democrats.

The question is why is he making the case that either Obama can release them all or he broke the law?

Notice he jumps on the BS about the Congressional notification?

It seems that Greenwald is implying that since the President hasn't released the others, then the current release is illegal.

He ignores that this has been an ongoing political battle, and that Obama has taken numerous steps to move closer to closing the prison and also releasing detainees where possible. It's not just Democrats who recognize that Congress has been an obstacle.

The ACLU is a good source.

ACLU Statement on President's Guantánamo Comments

NEW YORK – At a press briefing today, President Obama restated his belief that the prison at Guantánamo should be closed. Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, responded to the president's comments by detailing immediate actions the president could take.

"We welcome the president's continuing commitment to closing Guantánamo and putting an end to the indefinite detention regime there," Romero said. "There are two things the president should do. One is to appoint a senior point person so that the administration's Guantánamo closure policy is directed by the White House and not by Pentagon bureaucrats. The president can also order the secretary of defense to start certifying for transfer detainees who have been cleared, which is more than half the Guantánamo population."

"There's more to be done, but these are the two essential first steps the president can take now to break the Guantánamo logjam," Romero said. "We couldn't agree more with President Obama's statement that the 'idea that we would still maintain forever a group of individuals who have not been tried – that is contrary to who we are, it is contrary to our interests, and it needs to stop.'"

http://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform-human-rights-national-security-prisoners-rights/aclu-statement-presidents


ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantánamo

WASHINGTON – President Obama today appointed lawyer Clifford Sloan as the State Department's special envoy in charge of closing the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

"The appointment of a new envoy at the State Department for closing Guantánamo puts in place one of the last pieces of the puzzle for getting the prison closed," said Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "The president now has ordered the restart of transfers out of Guantánamo, lifted the moratorium on transfers to Yemen, and appointed top officials at the White House and State Department to get it done. Once President Obama makes the necessary appointment at the Pentagon to begin transferring detainees out of Guantánamo, he should immediately begin doing so. With more than half of the detainees already cleared for transfer or release, and dozens more being held without ever being charged or tried, it's time to start sending these men home."

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo


ACLU Comment on Appointment of Envoy to Close Guantanamo Bay Detention Facility

WASHINGTON – Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel today appointed Paul Lewis as the special envoy for closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. In his new position, Lewis will work with the State Department on transferring detainees out of the prison to other countries.

Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office, had this comment:

"The American Civil Liberties Union is pleased that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel has filled the important position of Defense Department envoy for closing the Guantanamo detention facility. We had been concerned about the lengthy delay in filling this critical job that the president ordered created as part of his National Defense University speech in May,” said Anders. “Paul Lewis has three decades of experience working on national security and rule of law issues at the highest levels of government. In his new position, he will play a critical role in carrying out the president’s commitment to close Guantanamo for good."

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-appointment-envoy-close-guantanamo-bay-detention-facility


Senate Eases Transfer Restrictions for Guantánamo Detainees

WASHINGTON – The Senate late last night passed the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2014, which will ease transfer restrictions for detainees currently held at the military detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, most of whom have been held without charge or trial for over a decade. The bill, which passed the House of Representatives last week, cleared the Senate by a vote of 84-15. The improved transfer provisions were sponsored by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin and were strongly supported by the White House and the Defense Department.

"This is a big step forward for meeting the goal of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention. For the first time ever, Congress is making it easier, rather than harder, for the Defense Department to close Guantánamo – and this win only happened because the White House and Defense Secretary worked hand in hand with the leadership of the congressional committees," said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel at the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office. "After years of a blame-game between Congress and the White House, both worked together to clear away obstacles to transferring out of Guantánamo the vast majority of detainees who have never been charged with a crime."

The current population at Guantánamo stands at 158 detainees, approximately half of whom were cleared for transfer to their home or third-party countries by U.S. national security officials four years ago. Also, periodic review boards have recently started reviews of detainees who have not been charged with a crime and had not been cleared in the earlier reviews. While the legislation eases the transfer restrictions for sending detainees to countries abroad, it continues to prohibit the transfer of detainees to the United States for any reason, including for trial or medical emergencies.

"There has been a sea change on the Guantánamo issue, both in Congress and at the White House. With the president’s renewed commitment to closing it, and the support of Congress, there now is reason to hope that the job of closing Guantánamo and ending indefinite detention can get done before the president leaves office," said Anders. "As big as this win is, there is more work left to be done. The Defense Department has to use the new transfer provisions to step up transfers out of Guantánamo, and Congress needs to remove the remaining ban on using federal criminal courts to try detainees."

President Obama is expected to sign the defense bill into law before the end of the year.

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/senate-eases-transfer-restrictions-guantanamo-detainees


U.S. Moves Closer to Closing Guantanamo Bay

By Julian E. Barnes

WASHINGTON—The Pentagon said it has transferred the last three ethnic Uighur Chinese nationals from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Slovakia in what it called "a significant milestone in our effort to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay."

Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said in a written statement that Yusef Abbas, Saidullah Khalik and Hajiakbar Abdul Ghuper are "voluntarily resettling in Slovakia," leaving 155 detainees at Guantanamo.

The three men were the last of 22 ethnic Uighurs captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and ordered released from Guantanamo under an Oct. 7, 2008, federal court ruling. The 22 men have ended up being resettled to six different countries, the Pentagon said.

Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel for advocacy group Human Rights Watch, said the transfer was an important moment. "The Uighurs had nothing to do with any conflict with the United States," she said. "It is a stark symbol of what was wrong with Guantanamo, with what was wrong with just sweeping people up and detaining them in an offshore facility."

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http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304361604579292270871879140


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Fortunately and finally, at the end of 2013, the Uighurs--a persecuted religious minority from China--have left Guantanamo.

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/free-uighurs


Uruguay agrees to U.S. request to take some Guantanamo inmates

MONTEVIDEO (Reuters) - Uruguay has agreed with the United States to accept some prisoners held in the much-criticized detention center at the U.S. military base of Guantanamo Bay, President Jose Mujica said on Thursday.

The Obama administration, which wants to close the center used to imprison people captured after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, has been talking to several countries about relocating inmates.

The South American country had accepted the request by Washington to take some prisoners and would consider them refugees, Mujica told journalists while attending an unrelated farming event.

"It's a request for human rights reasons," Mujica said.

Mujica said Obama "has asked a bunch of countries if they can take some and I told him yes."

Weekly newspaper Busqueda reported that Uruguay had accepted a U.S. proposal to take five detainees from the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba base for two years. The 78-year-old ex-guerrilla Mujica agreed after speaking to Cuban President Raul Castro and sending delegates to visit the detention center, the report said.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/us-uruguay-guantanamo-idUSBREA2J1Z220140320


Statement by the Press Secretary on the Adam Smith Amendment

The President applauds Ranking Member Adam Smith for his continued stalwart leadership in standing up for our values and national security by advancing the cause of closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. By eliminating unwarranted and burdensome restrictions relating to the transfer of Guantanamo detainees, his amendment would further our efforts to move past this chapter in U.S. history. We urge the House to adopt the Smith Amendment and put an end to the ongoing harm to the nation’s security that results from the operation of the facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

This Administration has repeatedly objected to statutory restrictions that impede our ability to responsibly close the detention facility and pursue appropriate options for the detainees remaining there, including by determining when and where to prosecute detainees, based on the facts and circumstances of each case and our national security interests. In hundreds of terrorism-related cases – and as illustrated once again this week – our federal courts have proven themselves to be more than capable of administering justice.

Nearly a half billion dollars per year is an unacceptable price to pay for a facility that wastes our resources, creates friction with our allies, and undermines our standing in the world. This needs to be the year Congress lifts the remaining restrictions and enables the closure of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. We call on Members of both parties to work together to ensure the United States meets this goal. If this year's Defense Authorization bill continues unwarranted restrictions regarding Guantanamo detainees, the President will veto the bill.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/05/21/statement-press-secretary-adam-smith-amendment




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Blanket NSA spying on US citizens STILL SUCKS! AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #1
Can you give me a link to someone's comment saying DonViejo Jun 2014 #3
The Greenwaldistas think Berghdal's release is a "distraction" from NSA. The flipside of that Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #9
and Benghazi is a distraction from Obamacare. Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #62
!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #80
These Greenwald threads confuse me, I assume if you are pro Greenwald you have to be randys1 Jun 2014 #151
thanks very much, I find them confusing as well. Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #158
My condolences AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #12
You have my condolences, too. randome Jun 2014 #14
I care not about Snowden or Greenwald AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #15
And what did Snowden show about your privacy? Nothing. randome Jun 2014 #16
Snowden isn't my concern AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #19
And what makes you think the NSA engages in blanket spying on U.S. citizens? randome Jun 2014 #22
Are you serious? AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #24
The majority of that data does not specify whether it's domestic or foreign surveillance. randome Jun 2014 #37
So you officially support NSA domestic blanket spying AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #48
Yes, it saves me the trouble of posting my selfies! randome Jun 2014 #55
Good Gawd Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #72
The big flaw in that timeline jeff47 Jun 2014 #46
Is that why you are trying to hijack this thread? n/t ProSense Jun 2014 #17
Blanket NSA spying on US citizens STILL SUCKS! AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #21
so does cancer and some sports teams. Whisp Jun 2014 #30
Apples and oranges much? AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #34
give it up, you are digging too deep Whisp Jun 2014 #39
NSA domestic spying AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #42
!!!!!!Bergdahlzi!!!!! Whisp Jun 2014 #50
Nothing at the link you posted makes your point. ProSense Jun 2014 #20
Read post #90 from that thread AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #23
No thanks, and ProSense Jun 2014 #28
You start a new thread everytime Greenwald or Snowden say anything AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #40
So? Why are you so upset by criticism of Greenwald that you're hijacking this thread? n/t ProSense Jun 2014 #43
NSA domestic spying AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #45
they can't stand anything being exposed about their "heroes". All they have is Whine Whine Whine.. Cha Jun 2014 #121
someone hijacking a thread? grasswire Jun 2014 #154
be sure to make the rounds in all other topics: ex: Cooking and Baking: Whisp Jun 2014 #32
But this article isn't about that. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #33
Nor is it about what the OP claims it's about AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #102
I don't know what you're expressing your condolences to me for... DonViejo Jun 2014 #29
Nicely done Number23 Jun 2014 #115
How is that poster squirming? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #51
LOL squirm? leftynyc Jun 2014 #54
He makes you squirm AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #103
Keep dreaming leftynyc Jun 2014 #140
You can keep your fucking "condolences" to DonViejo. He's doing great. nm Cha Jun 2014 #109
Condolences to you also AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #147
thanks for Kicking the Thread! Cha Jun 2014 #159
Your link doesn't show what you say it does. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #146
Ahhh . . . most here on DU . . . brush Jun 2014 #152
DonViejo Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #26
This article isn't about that. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #7
So does global warming uponit7771 Jun 2014 #8
True AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #13
I see you are so stifled... Whisp Jun 2014 #38
Can you tell me wtf that has to do with the OP? TIA. nm Cha Jun 2014 #106
So why does Greenwald himself keep setting up distractions from that issue? pnwmom Jun 2014 #138
Greenwald is cashing in his 15 minutes. nt onehandle Jun 2014 #2
Someone should tell him the check bounced davidpdx Jun 2014 #124
Color me unsurprised. MineralMan Jun 2014 #4
"My book! Don't forget my book!" JaneyVee Jun 2014 #5
They take calling GG a jerk as supporting the NSA cause they want people to leave GG ALONE!!! uponit7771 Jun 2014 #6
Asshole. randome Jun 2014 #10
GG disagrees with this President? I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED! I tell you! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #11
he's being deliberately obtuse bigtree Jun 2014 #18
Yet he just did so without notifying Congress at all. Maedhros Jun 2014 #67
They were not "transferred" gcomeau Jun 2014 #76
They could bring a legitimate charge against him. It looks like he may have broken the letter msanthrope Jun 2014 #77
wow this is huge if you think he broke the law questionseverything Jun 2014 #97
H. R. 3304 joshcryer Jun 2014 #116
Yep, and if he released them all? joshcryer Jun 2014 #113
If they want they can try it now or any old time TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #148
I agree. I'm a bit concerned because I also think those saying he may have broken the law Number23 Jun 2014 #117
SCOTUS would rule for the President. joshcryer Jun 2014 #120
Your general position here is very reasonable, but it is a very tricky issue. Vattel Jun 2014 #126
I think the issue stems from not notifying Congress. joshcryer Jun 2014 #128
That is not the way the Constitution is set up. Vattel Jun 2014 #130
Foreign policy wise, you're wrong. joshcryer Jun 2014 #131
Thanks for your posts on this, josh Number23 Jun 2014 #155
No, I am afraid you are incorrect. Vattel Jun 2014 #156
Which part contains the emergency exception? joshcryer Jun 2014 #119
I should have been clearer..sorry. msanthrope Jun 2014 #149
"not later than 30 days before" joshcryer Jun 2014 #161
I will hazard a guess and say this is what Pappa Fuck Ron Paul is saying too. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #25
I'm gonna say that's extremely likely. CATO approved talking points are so quaint, aren't they? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #90
OP 10,623 of the Greenwald Haters Club. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #27
Do you agree with Greenwald's comments in the OP? n/t ProSense Jun 2014 #31
Not particularly but I do not have an obsessive hatred of him either. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #35
So are we supposed to read Greenwald or not? jeff47 Jun 2014 #52
If Only GG Didn't Have An Obsessive Hatred otohara Jun 2014 #57
Exactly, otohara.. but, I think he was a bush man and now he's Cha Jun 2014 #139
!?!?! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #91
This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #118
Another Lame distraction from the OP. Greenwald is his own worst enemy. nm Cha Jun 2014 #112
I disagree with Greenwald on this issue, this wasn't a "transfer" or "release" Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #36
Can you show where "trade" is defined as unique from "release" in the law? Maedhros Jun 2014 #68
The law doesn't make the distinction one way or other, that will be left up Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #96
Greenwald. LOL... SidDithers Jun 2014 #41
Greenwald uses _________ to hit Obama, Democrats. liberal N proud Jun 2014 #44
No, you got it exactly right. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #69
Here you go. On point and everything. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2014 #47
No, ProSense Jun 2014 #60
Yep. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #88
~~!!•BERGDAHLZI•!!~~ Whisp Jun 2014 #49
you must really be in love with Glenn Greenwald corkhead Jun 2014 #53
Yes, ProSense Jun 2014 #58
I wish people would have gotten this upset every time Dubya broke the law in his two terms. Rex Jun 2014 #56
Greenwald: April 2006 Media finally starting to report the President's systematic lawbreaking Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #65
Yes, Greenwald was one of those who DID care that Bush broke the law. deurbano Jun 2014 #86
Did the M$M report on any of these stories in detail? Rex Jun 2014 #114
No And why does that matter.Greenwald has been nothing but consistent. He wrote 3 books slamming Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #122
Not talking about Glen, I am talking about people here and in the national spotlight Rex Jun 2014 #123
THAT'S what I keep saying. Bush the CRACKHEAD was doing illegal things Ecumenist Jun 2014 #145
The OP is a bit twisted. bvar22 Jun 2014 #59
The OP ProSense Jun 2014 #64
If Obama wanted the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed, it would be. Maedhros Jun 2014 #71
You're wrong: he needs to give them notification, doesn't need their approval frazzled Jun 2014 #73
Then GITMO should be closed within a month. bvar22 Jun 2014 #83
Sure...if we can find countries to take them. That's the number one reason even the cleared msanthrope Jun 2014 #84
Well, that is the excuse they are using. bvar22 Jun 2014 #89
It's not always a snap to find (responsible) countries to take them frazzled Jun 2014 #99
Thank You G_j Jun 2014 #87
Ya gots no cred, Greenwad. SoapBox Jun 2014 #61
+ 1,000 Tikki Jun 2014 #63
GG is a POS. eom MohRokTah Jun 2014 #66
K & R Iliyah Jun 2014 #70
Greenwald does not understand the law frazzled Jun 2014 #74
Yup, that's referenced (Senate eases) in the OP. n/t ProSense Jun 2014 #82
GG was probably too busy signing mega book & movie deals to notice the new "law". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #93
Granting, that which I consider flimsy the statement isn't exactly true as there were no restriction TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #150
Of course he did, it's his favorite pasttime. -eom gcomeau Jun 2014 #75
Thanks guys, Pres O did not break any laws Iliyah Jun 2014 #78
Huh? A Simple Game Jun 2014 #79
What? ProSense Jun 2014 #81
No word games, I picked two quotes from your post, one from Greenwald and one from you. A Simple Game Jun 2014 #92
What ProSense Jun 2014 #95
"...utter nonsense." So those two quotes weren't from your OP. Interesting. A Simple Game Jun 2014 #98
Right ProSense Jun 2014 #101
Well, it's not a "simple game" for nothing. smh nm Cha Jun 2014 #137
Who? A Simple Game Jun 2014 #141
Greenwald keeps showing us what he's about. He's all about hating on Obama. stevenleser Jun 2014 #85
Hate + Greed = tons of $$$$$$. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #94
he makes a good point Enrique Jun 2014 #100
It's ProSense Jun 2014 #104
Seems like Greenwald has a reasonable position here, although I think the issue is complicated. Vattel Jun 2014 #127
GG must think his "defenders" will eat this up no matter what he says. nm Cha Jun 2014 #133
It's a stupid point.. just GG trying to act like he knows shit. nm Cha Jun 2014 #132
the comments at the firstlook link are very readable grasswire Jun 2014 #105
So when does he get his own FOX show I wonder? ucrdem Jun 2014 #107
Fox has to be considering an hour or two of Attacks from the Left. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #111
He was all over FOX when his book came out. ucrdem Jun 2014 #135
He's always hated Obama. JNelson6563 Jun 2014 #108
This is click-bait journalism at its finest. joshcryer Jun 2014 #110
Greenwald's an ignorant ratfucker and here's why.. Cha Jun 2014 #125
k&r... spanone Jun 2014 #129
The front page of The Intercept has "news" from last February ucrdem Jun 2014 #134
I will go with DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #136
I'm an engineer, not a lawyer The Traveler Jun 2014 #142
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2014 #143
Go count your ill gotten money, Mr. Greenbacks, and shut your pie hole. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #144
ProSense uses Greenwald to bore us all to death n/t whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #153
whatchamacallit makes inane comment about ProSense Again. Cha Jun 2014 #157
When is Greenwald going to be.. butterfly77 Jun 2014 #160
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