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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald uses Bergdahl to hit Obama, Democrats [View all]Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)65. Greenwald: April 2006 Media finally starting to report the President's systematic lawbreaking
Media finally starting to report the President's systematic lawbreaking
(updated below)
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/04/media-finally-starting-to-report.html
On March 24, 2006, The Boston Globe published an article by Charlie Savage reporting that the President, after signing into law the bill which renewed the Patriot Act, issued a "signing statement" making clear that "he did not consider himself bound" to comply with various reporting provisions in the law and therefore reserved the right to violate them. The article was extraordinary because it noted that the Patriot Act signing statement was merely "the latest in a string of high-profile instances in which Bush has cited his constitutional authority to bypass a law" -- and the article tied that ideology of lawlessness to, among other things, the President's deliberate violations of FISA when ordering warrantless eavesdropping on Americans.
I discussed that Globe article in my book and described it as "an important milestone," because "it is one of the first truly comprehensive articles by an establishment media outlet to recognize the fact that the president has expressly seized the power to break the law, and is exercising that power enthusiastically and aggressively, in numerous ways." Once the reality of the president's claimed lawbreaking powers starts to be truly discussed in our national political dialogue, I believe there will finally be accountability for what this administration has done.
(updated below)
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/04/media-finally-starting-to-report.html
On March 24, 2006, The Boston Globe published an article by Charlie Savage reporting that the President, after signing into law the bill which renewed the Patriot Act, issued a "signing statement" making clear that "he did not consider himself bound" to comply with various reporting provisions in the law and therefore reserved the right to violate them. The article was extraordinary because it noted that the Patriot Act signing statement was merely "the latest in a string of high-profile instances in which Bush has cited his constitutional authority to bypass a law" -- and the article tied that ideology of lawlessness to, among other things, the President's deliberate violations of FISA when ordering warrantless eavesdropping on Americans.
I discussed that Globe article in my book and described it as "an important milestone," because "it is one of the first truly comprehensive articles by an establishment media outlet to recognize the fact that the president has expressly seized the power to break the law, and is exercising that power enthusiastically and aggressively, in numerous ways." Once the reality of the president's claimed lawbreaking powers starts to be truly discussed in our national political dialogue, I believe there will finally be accountability for what this administration has done.
Greenwald: May 2007
http://bleiersblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/glenn-greenwald-bushs-signing-statement.html
Bush's signing statement authorized FBI's lawbreaking
Multiple media outlets are focusing on the unsurprising story that the FBI seems to have been abusing its powers under the Patriot Act to issue so-called "national security letters" (NSLs), whereby the FBI is empowered to obtain a whole array of privacy-infringing records without any sort of judicial oversight or subpoena process. In particular, the FBI has failed to comply with the legal obligations imposed by Congress, when it re-authorized the Patriot Act in early 2006, which required the FBI to report to Congress on the use of these letters.
That the FBI is abusing its NSL power is entirely unsurprising (more on that below), but the real story here -- and it is quite significant -- has not even been mentioned by any of these news reports. The only person (that I've seen) to have noted the most significant aspect of these revelations is Silent Patriot at Crooks & Liars, who very astutely recalls that the NSL reporting requirements imposed by Congress were precisely the provisions which President Bush expressly proclaimed he could ignore when he issued a "signing statement" as part of the enactment of the Patriot Act's renewal into law. Put another way, the law which the FBI has now been found to be violating is the very law which George Bush publicly declared he has the power to ignore.
That the FBI is abusing its NSL power is entirely unsurprising (more on that below), but the real story here -- and it is quite significant -- has not even been mentioned by any of these news reports. The only person (that I've seen) to have noted the most significant aspect of these revelations is Silent Patriot at Crooks & Liars, who very astutely recalls that the NSL reporting requirements imposed by Congress were precisely the provisions which President Bush expressly proclaimed he could ignore when he issued a "signing statement" as part of the enactment of the Patriot Act's renewal into law. Put another way, the law which the FBI has now been found to be violating is the very law which George Bush publicly declared he has the power to ignore.
Glenn Greenwald: June 2007
A Tragic Legacy
http://www.salon.com/2007/06/20/greenwald_2/
That paragraph summarizes the Bush movement. Because the threat posed by The Evil Terrorists is so grave, maximizing protections against it is the paramount, overriding goal. No other value competes with that objective, nor can any other value limit our efforts to protect ourselves against The Terrorists.
That is the essence of virtually every argument Bush supporters make regarding terrorism. No matter what objection is raised to the never-ending expansions of executive power, no matter what competing values are touted (due process, the rule of law, the principles our country embodies, how we are perceived around the world), the response will always be that The Terrorists are waging war against us and our overarching priority one that overrides all others is to protect ourselves, to triumph over Evil. By definition, then, there can never be any good reason to oppose vesting powers in the government to protect us from The Terrorists because that goal outweighs all others.
But our entire system of government, from its inception, has been based upon a very different calculus that is, that many things matter besides merely protecting ourselves against threats, and consequently, we are willing to accept risks, even potentially fatal ones, in order to secure those other values. From its founding, America has rejected the worldview of prioritizing physical safety above all else, as such a mentality leads to an impoverished and empty civic life. The premise of America is and always has been that imposing limitations on government power is necessary to secure liberty and avoid tyranny even if it means accepting an increased risk of death as a result. That is the foundational American value.
It is this courageous demand for core liberties even if such liberties provide less than maximum protection from physical risks that has made America bold, brave, and free. Societies driven exclusively or primarily by a fear of avoiding Evil, minimizing risks, and seeking above all else that our government protects us are not free. That is a path that inevitably leads to authoritarianism an increasingly strong and empowered leader in whom the citizens vest ever-increasing faith and power in exchange for promises of safety. That is most assuredly not the historical ethos of the United States.
....
All of this is independent of the fact that vesting ever-increasing and unchecked power in a political leader most assuredly does not make a country safer. Though it is beyond the ken of the discussion here, it is well-established that open governments with substantial checks and oversight operate far more efficiently than highly secretive, unchecked governments run by unaccountable political leaders. As the American founders well understood, transparent government is critical for detecting errors, uncovering corruption, and ensuring accountability, while political leaders who operate in the dark, wielding vast powers with little oversight, virtually always conceal their mistakes and act to maximize their own interests rather than the countrys.
For that reason, the most radical and controversial Bush policies from warrantless eavesdropping to detentions, torture and rendition carried out in secret and with no oversight have not made us remotely safer. But even if one assumes that they had, our core political values are profoundly betrayed by the notion that we should vest blind faith and tyrannical powers in the president in exchange for promises of protection. The central rhetorical premise of the Bush presidency, however, has been that eliminating all risk of the Evil Terrorist Threat is paramount. Hence, the whole array of authoritarian powers seized by this administration is justified because none of the principles and values that are destroyed in the process really matter when set next to the scary prospect that The Terrorists will kill us.
That is the essence of virtually every argument Bush supporters make regarding terrorism. No matter what objection is raised to the never-ending expansions of executive power, no matter what competing values are touted (due process, the rule of law, the principles our country embodies, how we are perceived around the world), the response will always be that The Terrorists are waging war against us and our overarching priority one that overrides all others is to protect ourselves, to triumph over Evil. By definition, then, there can never be any good reason to oppose vesting powers in the government to protect us from The Terrorists because that goal outweighs all others.
But our entire system of government, from its inception, has been based upon a very different calculus that is, that many things matter besides merely protecting ourselves against threats, and consequently, we are willing to accept risks, even potentially fatal ones, in order to secure those other values. From its founding, America has rejected the worldview of prioritizing physical safety above all else, as such a mentality leads to an impoverished and empty civic life. The premise of America is and always has been that imposing limitations on government power is necessary to secure liberty and avoid tyranny even if it means accepting an increased risk of death as a result. That is the foundational American value.
It is this courageous demand for core liberties even if such liberties provide less than maximum protection from physical risks that has made America bold, brave, and free. Societies driven exclusively or primarily by a fear of avoiding Evil, minimizing risks, and seeking above all else that our government protects us are not free. That is a path that inevitably leads to authoritarianism an increasingly strong and empowered leader in whom the citizens vest ever-increasing faith and power in exchange for promises of safety. That is most assuredly not the historical ethos of the United States.
....
All of this is independent of the fact that vesting ever-increasing and unchecked power in a political leader most assuredly does not make a country safer. Though it is beyond the ken of the discussion here, it is well-established that open governments with substantial checks and oversight operate far more efficiently than highly secretive, unchecked governments run by unaccountable political leaders. As the American founders well understood, transparent government is critical for detecting errors, uncovering corruption, and ensuring accountability, while political leaders who operate in the dark, wielding vast powers with little oversight, virtually always conceal their mistakes and act to maximize their own interests rather than the countrys.
For that reason, the most radical and controversial Bush policies from warrantless eavesdropping to detentions, torture and rendition carried out in secret and with no oversight have not made us remotely safer. But even if one assumes that they had, our core political values are profoundly betrayed by the notion that we should vest blind faith and tyrannical powers in the president in exchange for promises of protection. The central rhetorical premise of the Bush presidency, however, has been that eliminating all risk of the Evil Terrorist Threat is paramount. Hence, the whole array of authoritarian powers seized by this administration is justified because none of the principles and values that are destroyed in the process really matter when set next to the scary prospect that The Terrorists will kill us.
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The Greenwaldistas think Berghdal's release is a "distraction" from NSA. The flipside of that
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2014
#9
These Greenwald threads confuse me, I assume if you are pro Greenwald you have to be
randys1
Jun 2014
#151
The majority of that data does not specify whether it's domestic or foreign surveillance.
randome
Jun 2014
#37
So? Why are you so upset by criticism of Greenwald that you're hijacking this thread? n/t
ProSense
Jun 2014
#43
they can't stand anything being exposed about their "heroes". All they have is Whine Whine Whine..
Cha
Jun 2014
#121
They take calling GG a jerk as supporting the NSA cause they want people to leave GG ALONE!!!
uponit7771
Jun 2014
#6
They could bring a legitimate charge against him. It looks like he may have broken the letter
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#77
I agree. I'm a bit concerned because I also think those saying he may have broken the law
Number23
Jun 2014
#117
I will hazard a guess and say this is what Pappa Fuck Ron Paul is saying too. n/t
Whisp
Jun 2014
#25
I'm gonna say that's extremely likely. CATO approved talking points are so quaint, aren't they?
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2014
#90
I disagree with Greenwald on this issue, this wasn't a "transfer" or "release"
Uncle Joe
Jun 2014
#36
I wish people would have gotten this upset every time Dubya broke the law in his two terms.
Rex
Jun 2014
#56
Greenwald: April 2006 Media finally starting to report the President's systematic lawbreaking
Luminous Animal
Jun 2014
#65
No And why does that matter.Greenwald has been nothing but consistent. He wrote 3 books slamming
Luminous Animal
Jun 2014
#122
Not talking about Glen, I am talking about people here and in the national spotlight
Rex
Jun 2014
#123
Sure...if we can find countries to take them. That's the number one reason even the cleared
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#84
GG was probably too busy signing mega book & movie deals to notice the new "law".
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2014
#93
Granting, that which I consider flimsy the statement isn't exactly true as there were no restriction
TheKentuckian
Jun 2014
#150
No word games, I picked two quotes from your post, one from Greenwald and one from you.
A Simple Game
Jun 2014
#92
"...utter nonsense." So those two quotes weren't from your OP. Interesting.
A Simple Game
Jun 2014
#98
Greenwald keeps showing us what he's about. He's all about hating on Obama.
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#85