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77. Second Section is Disingenuous and Mis-leading
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jun 2014

That second section of the article has nothing to do with Bergdahl. That was not his unit and he never witness any of the "Kill Teams" actions,(BTW they were found guilty and punished severely). So others in this OP are equating one with the other and that is not proper reporting. It is a cover smear that tries to taint your mind into sympathy toward Bergdahl. You are condemning people for hating on him without all of the facts but this author is and you are doing the same thing in the opposite direction. So only Bergdahl saw that child killed, only Bergdahl had a hard deployment. I see lots of others cutting him lots of slack but none to the others that were in the exact same places as him. They quote the RS article as it is Bible to smear all the other troops as screw ups, malcontents and mass murderers in the waiting while they all faced exactly the same situations that Bergdahl did. As far as we know, non of the other members of that unit has even got a ticket for J-walking since that time but we know they are no good some how.
Also pertaining to the RS article, Bergdahl comes off as a terrible Troop that enlisted for all the wrong reasons and probably would not have been deployed but for the fact of the Surge. He looks like a wannabe Tragic Hero that could not wait to get into combat. Anyone looking for War is an asshole that needs to carefully watched for signs of possible mental break down. That is where Bergdahl was definitely failed by his leadership. We also see his emails and it is only from his point of view, a PV1 who had about as much time in the Army to have a cup of coffee, but all of a sudden we are to take his word on these things like he is some kind of Military Expert. Not even close. He is what we used to call a General Private, knew everything and if only he was in charge the Army would be sooooooo much better.
All the Troops involved are neither Hero's nor Villains. Just men, some boys, sent to do a terrible job that lots of others could not or would not do. Sent there by a Government who's civilian population did not control it and thus failed to do it's Civic duty to those men and woman in Uniform. "It was not their War, It was Bushes" You want to know who the real 1% is. That is the percentage of the population that bore the brunt of the fighting

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/opinion/americans-and-their-military-drifting-apart.html
http://www.cohenresearchgroup.com/media/ciav_201006.pdf
The other false info believed even by Vets themselves is that we are tragically damaged and kill ourselves from what we have seen. That is not true. Suicide rate increase among the Military has numerous factors not excluding economic factors as well as previous mental health problems.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/07/military-suicide-study_n_3719850.html
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20130806/NEWS/308060037/New-study-Suicides-not-linked-combat-exposure
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/06/17/majority-of-military-suicides-never-saw-combat.html

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I have assumed from day one he was reacting to horrific conditions, in a place we never randys1 Jun 2014 #1
Thank you for the information..now at least it is becoming more clear as to why the soldiers Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #2
Ding ding malaise Jun 2014 #7
I said something similar earlier. They protest to loudly...They want to discredit Bowe before he kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #56
Yea, very agressive and off the charts. It did not make sense why all this was happening Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #57
Too loudly and way too quickly and suddenly. Too organized. madfloridian Jun 2014 #75
Clarity ensues. WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #3
I have no doubt this will someday be a movie. trumad Jun 2014 #5
It basically was MohRokTah Jun 2014 #47
I think Bergdahl reminds them too much of this young soldier csziggy Jun 2014 #9
Sailor. geardaddy Jun 2014 #14
OOOh! I should have caught that! csziggy Jun 2014 #19
Heh. Easy to make the mistake when you're wearing green. geardaddy Jun 2014 #21
Oh...me too.... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #15
If you had read Brinkley's "Tour of Duty "...Kerry, to, has witnessed that same kind of tragedy. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #23
Small planes mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #37
You win a lollipop...because that is exactly what this is randys1 Jun 2014 #52
Bergdahl's platoon mates all really seem to hate him, and that's cast as TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #4
Who knows if those fellows are REALLY HIS PLATOON's? Remember SBVT assholes, who mylye2222 Jun 2014 #12
Serpico was also hated alcibiades_mystery Jun 2014 #18
some PR company is pushing them grasswire Jun 2014 #31
That's exactly right. madfloridian Jun 2014 #82
Sounds like he walked away to get far away from these neanderthals! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #59
I think something in his last several days on post broke him/set him off. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #63
they were probably cheering that they got to run over or shoot children and he was religious VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #64
snip* But a review of internal Army records and investigative files obtained by Rolling Stone, Read Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #6
WOW! ( The platoon has a reputation," a whistle-blower named Pfc. Justin Stoner told the Army The Wielding Truth Jun 2014 #54
Yes, this information may explain a great deal, on many levels. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #55
Dead heroes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #8
Did you see the NYT editorial? Very good one, urging common sense and caution. madfloridian Jun 2014 #74
Most enlightening dorkzilla Jun 2014 #10
Another Dkos diary that says his unit was not exactly full of exemplary soldiers gvstn Jun 2014 #11
Thanks for the link. madfloridian Jun 2014 #33
He was trying to escape these cretins.. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #61
WOW Mr Dixon Jun 2014 #13
"bagging "savages""... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #16
Hate to say it, but that sort of thing wasn't just in Afghanistan Xithras Jun 2014 #17
Right. Same tactics in Iraq. madfloridian Jun 2014 #22
It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Xithras Jun 2014 #38
The Point Often Missed RobinA Jun 2014 #80
That former soldier that has been seen declaring Bergdahl a deserter on MSNBC ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #20
Two of them are discussed in this thread alsame Jun 2014 #24
Yes, those too. But I found the one I was looking for...Joshua Cornelison. I'd ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #28
"He's a deserter but he alsame Jun 2014 #35
And then there is this: ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #40
Jesus. He's probably part of the alsame Jun 2014 #41
Here's a link to an article which Skidmore Jun 2014 #25
Thank you, Skidmore. Here is the guy I was looking for: Joshua Cornelison. ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #29
More about what was done in our name there. Taxi to the Dark Side. madfloridian Jun 2014 #26
After Reading This Thread - Is There Any Wonder Why The GI Suicide Rate Is So High?......nt global1 Jun 2014 #27
GOOD POINT! Kick to you! mylye2222 Jun 2014 #30
That's what I thought too IronLionZion Jun 2014 #43
Not a new situation during war... Wounded Bear Jun 2014 #32
He was becoming The Wizard Jun 2014 #34
My take jaycrewz Jun 2014 #36
you say if the OP is true, it doesn't excuse desertion? CreekDog Jun 2014 #42
Nope. You should always continue to kill people, even if you think it's wrong. arcane1 Jun 2014 #44
The OP is not giving anyone a pass, it is information. Understanding more of what Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #49
Is this real or an opinion? hrmjustin Jun 2014 #39
Before we start erecting statues or gallows let's wait for actual facts... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #45
I don't see any team picking, it is more information, period. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #48
"Cody" of course denies this riverwalker Jun 2014 #46
This adds important context to this story. I hope that this gets wide coverage. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #50
So the rest of his platoon was a bunch of psychopaths mwrguy Jun 2014 #51
sigh DustyJoe Jun 2014 #53
This confuses me whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #58
I did not attempt an opinion. What we have done as a nation there are facts. madfloridian Jun 2014 #60
The military also covered up Bergdahl's history of going on walks (and coming back) riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #62
I did not know that. Interesting. madfloridian Jun 2014 #68
PTSD? KamaAina Jun 2014 #65
K&R nt FloriTexan Jun 2014 #66
Thanks. madfloridian Jun 2014 #67
This is why the Right is smearing him AnnieBW Jun 2014 #69
Don't know if you missed this Democracy Now Interview with his father.... KoKo Jun 2014 #70
Thanks, I did miss that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #71
Surprised to see this post is said to be "taking sides"... madfloridian Jun 2014 #72
Ha! Slate captures words of Charlie Daniels before and after on Bergdahl. madfloridian Jun 2014 #73
kick Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #76
Second Section is Disingenuous and Mis-leading 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #77
Blaming suicides in the military on mental illness makes a vulnerable population scapegoats. madfloridian Jun 2014 #78
Kind of my response to a compilation of responses to the OP 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #81
None of this is new to this or any other war smallcat88 Jun 2014 #79
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