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JDPriestly

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32. You and I are the victims of the NSA surveillance.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

Communism employed various techniques to place people under surveillance.

As a result, people in Communist countries whispered about their discontentment in life, their distrust of the government, their fear of ostracism, lest they suffer perhaps loss of income, loss of opportunity for themselves and their children due to some slip of the tongue, some unacceptable opinion they might have expressed, some small indiscretion that was picked up by an informant.

The NSA spying is far more intrusive than the spying the Communists did.

Who knows how many people have lost their jobs because of the spying?

We have no way of knowing. And we have no way of knowing how many people could lose a job or be viewed as dangerous by the NSA and your local police who will, if they do not already, get information from the NSA.

Government spying is a waste of time and money. We agree on that. But many people are employed as government spies by the NSA. Since what they do brings no reward to our country, how are they to justify the expense and time spent on it?

Here's how: they will find new, very practical uses for the information they discover -- like informing employers of disgruntled employees.

Truman signed the NSA into law in 1952.

"Originating as a unit to decipher coded communications in World War II, it was officially formed as the NSA by President Truman in 1952."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

I quote this:

It (The NSA) was very quickly assigned the task of intercepting and collecting "foreign intelligence from foreign communications or foreign electronic signals" and entered into "'a secret arrangement' with ITT, RCA Global Communications, and Western Union" to gather millions of cables sent by Americans to foreign recipients.

Morton Mintz and Jerry S. Cohen Power, Inc. (Macmillan 1976) page 376.

At that time, according to Mintz and Cohen, the NSA was collecting millions of cables "which had been sent by American citizens in the reasonable expectation that they would be kept private." Mintz, Power, Inc., age 376.

The NSA set up a watch list of American citizens with suggestions for inclusion on the list from the Bureau of Narcotics. General Lew Allen, Jr. stated that when he took responsibility foe the NSA in 1973, he got rid of the watch list.

Mintz and Cohen at pages 376-377.

Congress finally ended the collection of the international cables (supposedly) in 1975.

"The NSA has the capability 'to monitor anything' Senator Church . . . warned. That capability 'could be turned around on the American people,' he said. 'And no American would have any privacy left. There would be no place to hide. If a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capability that the intelligence community has given the Government could enable it to impose total tyranny.'"

Mintz and Cohen, at page 377.

But here we are. The program either did not end or was revived. (Was Cheney's presence in the executive branch in the Nixon and Bush administrations just a coincidence? Did the NSA conduct surveillance on virtually all international communications with the US after it was instructed to stop? I don't know.)

Today, we are more dependent on electronic communications than ever before. Therefore, the NSA activities intrude on more of our communications and into our private lives more than ever. This is particularly true because the collection of our communications is now arguably being done within the US. And the collection of metadata is most definitely being done in the US.

We need to make sure that Congress is exercising adequate oversight on NSA activities. And we need to curtail and open up to the public more about what those activities are.

The secrecy of the NSA programs since the beginning of the agency is quite troubling. Sen. Church was right in 1975 and is right today.

American citizens should, in my opinion, be protected regardless of where they are in the world. But that is my opinion.

The NSA is out of control is my guess.

Some good legislation has been proposed to get the NSA under control. But we tried that before and it did not work. We already have the CIA and the defense intelligence agency. We need to prevent the intelligence system from becoming the enemy of the people. I don't think they are that yet, but the potential is there. And that is a dangerous matter.

As should we all. nt alsame Jun 2014 #1
We all questioned the "Pearl Harbor like event" that the PNAC Cleita Jun 2014 #2
Pres. Bill Clinton's response to the letter was an truedelphi Jun 2014 #9
It's time, "we the people" took those big boys down. Cleita Jun 2014 #14
Clinton started the first PNAC war nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #54
my biggest hope is that something he has yet to release finally shines the light of truth on this tk2kewl Jun 2014 #3
Your hope, my hope..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #16
i hope if/when glen releases the big names he alluded to elehhhhna Jun 2014 #45
It is a racket BeyondGeography Jun 2014 #4
There are two victims: First, the American people whose privacy has been invaded. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #15
We didn't need Snowden to tell us the NSA is a giant waste, but I'm glad he did anyway BeyondGeography Jun 2014 #21
You and I are the victims of the NSA surveillance. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #32
I believe he did name victims. He named President Obama and members of Congress were being spied on sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #46
Our best defense is not spying or collecting information JayhawkSD Jun 2014 #5
maybe this will bring the BOG back to the correct side of this whole Doctor_J Jun 2014 #6
The correct side? mimi85 Jun 2014 #23
no one should tolerate abuse of power Skittles Jun 2014 #53
I have no idea what you mean. mimi85 Jun 2014 #64
I believe it when I see it. n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #40
your quote sounds like Vito corleone's credo Doctor_J Jun 2014 #7
Yes yes and yes. BIG K&R nt riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #8
Wasn't AT&T routing all internet traffic to a room in SF *before* the attacks? arcane1 Jun 2014 #10
Earlier I think.... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #12
I got that beat... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #33
Before THAT, there was a book written by the brother of OK governor grasswire Jun 2014 #57
I swear,...if we start hearing about alien attacks I'm gonna watch the Russo thing again. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #58
Yes Aerows Jun 2014 #41
310,000,000 iandhr Jun 2014 #11
Redacted. johnnyreb Jun 2014 #13
And they mean every word of that too! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #18
Governing a large country is like cooking a small fish. pocoloco Jun 2014 #30
When this same story was posted here before, it was hidden because of the source. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #17
Which is why I searched for alternative sources..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #20
Some are naive, just trying to keep DU pure and others are using the lock&hide features to rhett o rick Jun 2014 #37
I simply don't take the time to memorize which sources are DU approved and which are not riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #28
Some of the lock&hiders have good intentions but dont understand the idea of letting liberals rhett o rick Jun 2014 #35
There is a concerted effort to stop people from learning the truth. One of the tactics used on sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #47
I think they are getting desperate. They see that their ideal is crumbling and yet they rhett o rick Jun 2014 #50
That's the feeling I get also. The attacks are more intense, more angry, less subtle. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #51
I guessed that the post would be hidden nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #55
#Fail. Chucky-Doll Jun 2014 #19
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #22
And now, millions more are going to the internet to find & read it. What you don't sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #48
You are totally misrepresenting what Snowden is saying. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #60
You start with a biased thesis: that people who disagree with you are 'diverting'. randome Jun 2014 #61
You have no idea what he stole. You have no idea how much of an expert he really rhett o rick Jun 2014 #62
All I know is that I don't trust him. randome Jun 2014 #65
Why have you been so quick to demonize his while believing the NSA? nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #67
"costing us our safety, but our rights and our way of life?"---Why, one mght almost conclude that WinkyDink Jun 2014 #24
You'd actually have to have..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #27
I'll just wrap my Duck Dynasty flag bandana around my head! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #59
Naw... Obama will let his own but be impeached for getting a souldier out before he does anything grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #25
That may have been the deal from the jump. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #29
The power to remove (healthy) food (drinkable) water and (clean) air, the basics of health and life, DhhD Jun 2014 #42
'We are an empire now .... " sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #49
Rove nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #56
Thank you. That is one very sick individual. We will study what they did as we study other sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #68
Never saw that. Thank you. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #69
How would they have done that? jmowreader Jun 2014 #26
The Republicans actually believed their own crap at the time that all that talk about "terrorism"... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #34
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jun 2014 #31
I have from the beginning. I've done A FUCK load of research... AAO Jun 2014 #36
Good to see him come to a position most of us have held for a long time. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #38
We all know why the NSA, CIA, FBI and everyone else nyabingi Jun 2014 #39
Completely agree! FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #43
K&R emsimon33 Jun 2014 #44
Bad headline. Snowden actually EXPLAINED the failure, succinctly. greyl Jun 2014 #52
That's rich considering treestar Jun 2014 #63
I question the failure of a background check on hiring Snowden into the NSA in any form Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #66
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #70
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