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BrotherIvan

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19. Yes, and yet they have more female representation in government than the US
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jun 2014

I'm certainly not defending India in the slightest. I have visited more than a few times, and there are two things to note: a) it is a HUGE country and b) their backward cultural traditions have not died out even in the most modernized areas. There is still so much poverty and lack of communications, that you can have a modernizing city like Mumbai or Delhi, and then the most primitive culture out in the countryside. The caste system was supposed to be abolished ages ago, but it is alive and well to this day. There are mob murders in the countryside for any number of incidents. It is a rather lawless, strange place.

The treatment of women varies greatly by class. On the one hand, my 4 upper class aunts were all highly educated with three holding PhDs and one a world-renowned expert in her field. Then you can have a woman on the other spectrum, the Untouchable, who is only allowed to enter a house by a special door in order to clean the toilet and can not enter any other part of the house. As a girl, I created quite a lot of havoc by walking through that door.

For an American, it was very difficult to understand the culture at all. Servants were boys sometimes younger than I. Neither my sister, mother nor I would allow him to wait on us and created more havoc by buying him shoes and toys. The head servant literally cut the soles out of the shoes without prompting because he said that servants should learn to never expect new things. It made us all cry, and it cemented that somehow I would never completely understand the way they viewed the world.

Purdah (separation of men and women) was still recognized by some of the beautiful upper class women that we visited. This was in the 80s. They were dressed very smartly in designer western clothes, but had a separate section of the house for the women. So the old ways were still followed. My widowed grandmother felt openly guilty for not becoming a suttee, or throwing herself on her husband's funeral pyre. There is a very long and sad history of the subjugation of women in India. I do see positive changes though, with more and more women getting educations and autonomy. I only hope that these changes speed up as they seep out into the countryside so those horrible crimes can be stopped.

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du rec. xchrom Jun 2014 #1
India has declared dolphins and whales non-human persons BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #2
brain size comparison dolphin vs human notice the number of brain convolutions Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #6
And the third lobe in the back. KamaAina Jun 2014 #7
I have never seen that before and it's very enlightening BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #9
Well said. Doremus Jun 2014 #24
also what you said. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #28
Looks like your puppy witch doesn't have to worry! BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #30
that's Shrimpy!!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #32
A whole lotta squee! BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #34
We're just now learning how to decode some speech and analyze intelligence in other species. Warpy Jun 2014 #36
Your last question is a very good one BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #38
That wasn't at all what I said. Warpy Jun 2014 #39
Must have misread, apologies BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #44
I thought so too arikara Jun 2014 #65
Our task must be to free ourselves Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #45
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My point of view as well. Beautifully expressed. n/t DirkGently Jun 2014 #61
Me too arikara Jun 2014 #64
More convolutions = greater surface area Cracklin Charlie Jun 2014 #25
Amazing!! BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #33
We know humans are subperson to corporate persons. In India, are whales also subperson to valerief Jun 2014 #8
In the case of entertainment, they are in fact subcorporate BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #10
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Yes, and yet they have more female representation in government than the US BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #19
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Just like that Indian official that said you can't get pregnant from rape Exultant Democracy Jun 2014 #52
I was agreeing christx30 Jun 2014 #58
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Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jun 2014 #5
And thanks for all the fish. Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #11
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