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In reply to the discussion: "Obama Prepares to Authorize Indefinite Detention of US Citizens for First Time Since McCarthy Era" [View all]scentopine
(1,950 posts)This bill is full of language that is designed to use military as a civilian police force against US citizens for almost any reason deemed to be a "threat" based on any remote connection. Six degrees of Al Queda. I bet every US citizen is connected to a terrorist in within 6 degrees of separation. Even Obama.
Obama sure likes to fuck with torture, wiretapping and prison without trial. He's totally into it. Fixing shit that isn't broken.
" including any person who has committed a belligerent act"
Obama apologists will be busy for a while.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2011-12-12/pdf/CREC-2011-12-12-pt1-PgH8356-5.pdf
Meahwhile - democratic leadership continues to kiss wall street's ass.
Subtitle DCounterterrorism
SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE
ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED
STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS
PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION
FOR USE OF MILITARY
FORCE.
(a) IN GENERAL.Congress affirms that the
authority of the President to use all necessary
and appropriate force pursuant to the
Authorization for Use of Military Force
(Public Law 10740; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes
the authority for the Armed Forces of
the United States to detain covered persons
(as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition
under the law of war.
(b) COVERED PERSONS.A covered person
under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed,
or aided the terrorist attacks that
occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored
those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially
supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated
forces that are engaged in hostilities
against the United States or its coalition
partners, including any person who
has committed a belligerent act or has directly
supported such hostilities in aid of
such enemy forces.
(c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.The
disposition of a person under the law of war
as described in subsection (a) may include
the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without
trial until the end of the hostilities authorized
by the Authorization for Use of Military
Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10,
United States Code (as amended by the Military
Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of
Public Law 11184)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative
court or competent tribunal having lawful
jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of
the persons country of origin, any other foreign
country, or any other foreign entity.
SEC. 1022. MILITARY CUSTODY FOR FOREIGN ALQAEDA
TERRORISTS.
(a) CUSTODY PENDING DISPOSITION UNDER
LAW OF WAR.
(1) IN GENERAL.Except as provided in
paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the
United States shall hold a person described
in paragraph (2) who is captured in the
course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization
for Use of Military Force (Public
Law 10740) in military custody pending disposition
under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS.The requirement in
paragraph (1) shall apply to any person
whose detention is authorized under section
1021 who is determined
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda
or an associated force that acts in coordination
with or pursuant to the direction of al-
Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of
planning or carrying out an attack or attempted
APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.The requirement
to detain a person in military custody
under this section does not extend to citizens
of the United States. <<<< This means military may optionally hold US citizens
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ACLU on Obama's non-veto
White House Backs Away from Defense Bill Veto Threat
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 14, 2011
WASHINGTON The White House today announced that it will support passage of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which contains harmful provisions that some legislators have said could authorize the U.S. military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians, including American citizens, anywhere in the world. The final version of the NDAA was agreed to earlier this week by House and Senate conferees.
Though Obama administration had threatened to veto a previous version of the bill based on these provisions, it has reversed its position. The House is expected to pass the bill tonight and Senate will vote soon after.
The president should more carefully consider the consequences of allowing this bill to become law, Laura W. Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. If President Obama signs this bill, it will damage both his legacy and Americans reputation for upholding the rule of law. The last time Congress passed indefinite detention legislation was during the McCarthy era and President Truman had the courage to veto that bill. We hope that the president will consider the long view of history before codifying indefinite detention without charge or trial.
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Good for ACLU I will be sending them money. I have more now that I am not spending a fucking dime on any democratic candidates.
This sums Obama's war against civil liberty:
Unquestionably. Take the case of the NSA eavesdropping scandal, the clearest-cut case of criminality during the Bush years. So egregious was the wrongdoing that James Risen and Eric Lichtblau won the Pulitzer Prize for exposing it in the New York Times. Bush officials were caught behaving in the exact way the law criminalized: eavesdropping on Americans communications without warrants. And the statute imposed a penalty of five years in prison and/or a $10,000 fine for each offense.
Yet not a single Bush official responsible for those crimes was ever investigated, let alone prosecuted. The nations telecom giants, which independently broke laws written specifically to bar telecomgovernment cooperation in illegal spying, were retroactively immunized for their crimes by an act of Congress.
Nobody paid a price for the NSA scandal, except one person: Thomas Tamm, the mid-level DOJ lawyer who learned of the illegal program and, in an act of conscience, picked up the phone, called Lichtblau, and told him what he had learned. Unlike the criminals themselves, Tamm was investigated, harassed, rendered unemployed, forced to hire a lawyer, and ultimately driven into bankruptcy and serious psychological distress. The only person to suffer from the NSA scandal was the person who blew the whistle on it.
We see this over and over, and its what the Obama war on whistleblowers is all about. The only real, cognizable crimethe only one the Obama DOJ displays any real interest in punishingis committed by those who expose elite criminality, not those who commit it. The attempt to prosecute WikiLeaks is driven by this same mindset.
http://harpers.org/archive/2011/12/hbc-90008356
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