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46. Another older white woman here, and I will be damned if I will apologize

Sat Jun 7, 2014, 03:28 PM

Jun 2014

I've been around since 2001 but didn't officially join and post until Shrub was re-elected in 2004.

I remember a time before Roe v. Wade, and I will be damned if I will be condemned for supporting aggressively a woman's - ANY woman's - right to choose.

I see that issue discussed sometimes on DU with what I believe are younger posters getting the situation all convaluded as to who should be able to choose and at what time/length of pregnancy, etc. There is no convalusion in my mind. It is a woman's right to choose for her individual situation. There should be no discussion of her right because her decision should be private. Not public.

I'm not sure that some of the younger Democrats truly get just HOW critical this point is to our democracy. And that saddens me greatly.

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I am an older white woman, a retired teacher. [View all] madfloridian Jun 2014 OP

Rec for exposure. bravenak Jun 2014 #1

I had to check the OP's opening sentence to see if I had roguevalley Jun 2014 #29

My exact same status here makes us triplets. ancianita Jun 2014 #35

triplets are good. :D:D:D roguevalley Jun 2014 #67

Another sister here Hekate Jun 2014 #88

For all that it is informed by heartbreak, I simply love your post... CBHagman Jun 2014 #98

BRAVA!!!! I'm exactly there with you!!! calimary Jun 2014 #117

Amen, sister Hekate Jun 2014 #127

^^^ calimary Jun 2014 #133

another Amen to you and Hekate. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #136

I think I first became a feminist while sitting in catechism class with Father Flanagan as guest calimary Jun 2014 #154

HA! I too remember sitting in religion class and having the priest napi21 Jun 2014 #181

I am stlll Catholic too yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #242

Honestly, if she believed that, it may have influenced her career choice Maeve Jun 2014 #268

I was never subjected to that stuff. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #358

your cat, blanche, is AWESOME! roguevalley Jun 2014 #170

lol! that's somebody's cat I found on the innertoobz. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #178

I want. LOL! What a great cat. Thanks for putting it here. :D:D:D roguevalley Jun 2014 #196

you're most welcome! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #356

who is the lady with the little witch doggie? That is a hilarious dog :D:D:D roguevalley Jun 2014 #400

dat's me and Shrimpybooboobaby BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #401

Oh my god, Blanche. How cute you two are. I will have to try this sort of roguevalley Jun 2014 #402

Awwwwwwwww, tanks! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #403

+ about a million! Or so. BlueMTexpat Jun 2014 #205

I worked for McCarthy too Madam Mossfern Jun 2014 #130

Love your description, freckles and all. madfloridian Jun 2014 #141

I adored Harry Truman and have a pin of a shoe with a hole in it roguevalley Jun 2014 #171

Wish I could recommend this, Hekate. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #291

Yes we have actually been in the fight to save our democracy; some intense fighting on saving our DhhD Jun 2014 #69

Who said this? Number23 Jun 2014 #91

The way I took it was that bravenak was talking about society in general davidpdx Jun 2014 #120

I am a she. madfloridian Jun 2014 #135

Oophs sorry davidpdx Jun 2014 #140

Thanks, me, too. madfloridian Jun 2014 #142

(((HUG))) nt Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #190

Hugs back. madfloridian Jun 2014 #191

It has been really rough Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #195

Old white conservative leaning men. bravenak Jun 2014 #236

there has to be a way to discuss this fact noiretextatique Jun 2014 #283

That was my basic point. bravenak Jun 2014 #287

I agree...actually it is ridiculous noiretextatique Jun 2014 #299

Those who know what's up, know what's up here (as in this thread) too Number23 Jun 2014 #344

Thank you. bravenak Jun 2014 #346

Perhaps it is a good idea, especially for Liberals, to drop the labels and broadbrushing of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #353

I will work hard for Crist, but that's about it for me. No other Dems to vote for anyway. madfloridian Jun 2014 #363

It matteers, Madfloridian, and you have no need ever to defend yourself against such bile. You are sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #366

And also I am at Dkos as floridagal... madfloridian Jun 2014 #369

You will have plenty of support if you decide to stay here. We are targets of a certain group sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #371

you are correct, however the GOP noiretextatique Jun 2014 #408

Of course, in fact we've always been able to discuss it. We have shamed them into accepting women sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #411

WOW, now I'm thrilled that I waiting to post my first response.. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #422

Powerful first post. madfloridian Jun 2014 #424

Hello OLDMADAM. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #425

The "white female poster" fully understood connotations. I tried to be tactful.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #426

In the end, this is all probably a good thing. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #428

This thread is about me. bravenak Jun 2014 #429

Oh my.. I don't know how to respond to your request.. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #437

Irony: redqueen Jun 2014 #438

I felt the same way when i joined and did not join the AA group until later. bravenak Jun 2014 #440

Hang in there, bravenak. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #447

Oh my god that is so sad. bravenak Jun 2014 #448

Don't get discouraged. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #449

Ok. bravenak Jun 2014 #452

Beautiful statement, OLDMADAM. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #434

Agreed The Road Runner Jun 2014 #435

There were actually generalizations on the makeup of DU that came first... countryjake Jun 2014 #156

Others still see it when the thread is trashed or ignored. madfloridian Jun 2014 #175

But there are tons of things that are left standing here... countryjake Jun 2014 #200

I know in my heart you are exactly right. madfloridian Jun 2014 #201

This ^^^^^^^ treestar Jun 2014 #294

Did you read the subthread between bravenak and me? msanthrope Jun 2014 #174

I can answer that JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #203

This whole thing has been so illuminating/mortifying/predictable Number23 Jun 2014 #204

Let's talk about mischaracterisation... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #208

In defense of me. bravenak Jun 2014 #211

And that's the bravenak I like seeing... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #214

I never got mad at her. bravenak Jun 2014 #215

I am going to chime in here once. PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #251

Violet...mirt does not see who alerts, right? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #220

No, only the admin know who alerts on what n/t Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #221

So....unless the alerter clearly states who they are, you don't know if someone is alert stalking? msanthrope Jun 2014 #222

I'm going on what Skinner said a while back about alert stalking... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #232

I think the situation you described regarding yourself is alert stalking. You shut it down msanthrope Jun 2014 #234

No, it wasn't. I think claims of alert stalking are way overdone... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #282

Madfloridian got upset so that explains and justifies all of this? Number23 Jun 2014 #337

Yes, Madfloridian is still upset at being called a serial stalker and Repub. troll. madfloridian Jun 2014 #350

Your indignation started before you were accused of being a Repub troll (and I have no idea Number23 Jun 2014 #357

There was another post going on at the same time. madfloridian Jun 2014 #359

You jumped up to attack bravenak. And you announced to the world that you'd alerted on her post Number23 Jun 2014 #360

Here is my post about what I am not, a link to one of her posts, and a link to the ongoing AA post. madfloridian Jun 2014 #368

"I never realized there was such anger toward those of us who are white in this forum." Number23 Jun 2014 #380

Here's my whole post in my defense. Perhaps you did not read all of it. madfloridian Jun 2014 #383

But what does that have to do with my post or anything that I've written? Number23 Jun 2014 #385

Oh, I did visit there today. madfloridian Jun 2014 #387

I'm not worried about the alert stalker stuff. I realize that is important to you Number23 Jun 2014 #390

I just posted one of the posts here in entirety. madfloridian Jun 2014 #391

In what way did madfloridian mischaracterize what bravenak said? countryjake Jun 2014 #370

Wow, I guess I missed that or did not read completely madfloridian Jun 2014 #405

In fact here is my whole post in my defense. madfloridian Jun 2014 #372

I did not know i was flagged until about an hour before i posted in AA. bravenak Jun 2014 #212

You might find this subthread of interest to you.... msanthrope Jun 2014 #224

I see that our AA group was already known about. bravenak Jun 2014 #229

Yes. Note that exchange happened a week before yours. FYI...when you get a hide, the admins msanthrope Jun 2014 #230

I am enjoying how easily people have fallen into the trap of believing i called her any names. bravenak Jun 2014 #235

You didn't call any DUer names. And I hope that the links I gave you give a little context msanthrope Jun 2014 #238

Well i feel like i should stay off of here and let this thing die. bravenak Jun 2014 #239

I think that was a very gracious apology to madflo in the prior thread, and I respect msanthrope Jun 2014 #241

Bravenak, I really don't think most of the posters replying here... countryjake Jun 2014 #269

I was just going by the DU polls. bravenak Jun 2014 #270

I don't see what is so outrageous about that post BainsBane Jun 2014 #323

Very interesting subthread you posted, msanthrope. Number23 Jun 2014 #338

Wow. nt Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #347

Indeed..I cannot believe she was flagged. My post #224 above msanthrope Jun 2014 #226

I've seen enough posts here that are ageist. WCLinolVir Jun 2014 #225

I am not sure what is going on, but bravenak is one of my fave people here so, i will say this randys1 Jun 2014 #279

Randy i love you too. bravenak Jun 2014 #281

"...kill Wall Street"... really? WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #328

98% of All the problems in America are from stupid fucking fundies snooper2 Jun 2014 #420

Yes, it is not ageism to recognize that older white people treestar Jun 2014 #293

I think I already responded here but I will again, bravenak is NOT an ageist randys1 Jun 2014 #427

Proud to be progressive ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #134

I never called anyone lazy, stupid or selfish. bravenak Jun 2014 #233

I already defended you on that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #430

I posted that as a response to this. bravenak Jun 2014 #432

Do you really have the nerve Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #439

No. I expect exactly this. bravenak Jun 2014 #441

"Scared"? LOL, yeah right -- DUers didn't just fall off the turnip truck. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #446

So you think the Dem Party doesn't need 'old' voters? Is that the position of the Party, or just sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #164

Careful Sabrina, that poster is busy telling everyone that she is being stalked by those Dragonfli Jun 2014 #172

Thanks Dragonfli, I've never seen such drivel, even on some of the Right Wing forums I used to post sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #367

I never said any of that Sabrina. bravenak Jun 2014 #217

I have read the post you wrote bravenak. But I don't think the problem is just that post. Apparently sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #373

Thank you Sabrina. bravenak Jun 2014 #374

Thank you for listening. I appreciate that. I know we all say things the wrong way sometimes, sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #377

No problem. I am lacking a filter. bravenak Jun 2014 #378

That's true, I guess we all get sensitive because we feel passionately about things and on a forum sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #379

Yes, they are my sweeties. bravenak Jun 2014 #381

Then I'll say it again, they are adorable! sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #382

Thanks! bravenak Jun 2014 #384

I will post it again. bravenak Jun 2014 #219

+10,000 WCLinolVir Jun 2014 #228

It's getting silly. Just remember that the extremists are a fringe. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #2

And get far more attention than they deserve from the media. maddiemom Jun 2014 #70

Seems to me that most of the progressives on this board are the people over 50 BuelahWitch Jun 2014 #3

No definitions given. madfloridian Jun 2014 #8

Yes, this. We remember a time when the Democratic Party actually stood up for working people, kath Jun 2014 #11

Good point. madfloridian Jun 2014 #12

And in the next generation, Jesus and JFK, with FDR still up there ideally. maddiemom Jun 2014 #57

Agreed. progressoid Jun 2014 #15

What is the detractors' definition of "progressives" and "liberals"? Maedhros Jun 2014 #43

Or very close to 50 - TBF Jun 2014 #129

My political steering wheel is turned so far left defacto7 Jun 2014 #202

Some Of the Most Radical Here, Ma'am, Are Among The Oldest The Magistrate Jun 2014 #4

It's a very broad brush, and it's not needed. madfloridian Jun 2014 #5

Well said and I fully agree. justhanginon Jun 2014 #25

I, too... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #72

I'm among the younger "older white men." hunter Jun 2014 #47

This black man thanks you for telling the truth!-nt Anansi1171 Jun 2014 #100

I am speaking of the DU community. I know what it's like to live in a RW community. madfloridian Jun 2014 #106

I appreciate your comments. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #340

maybe because the left's biggest victories and most outspoken times were back then. alp227 Jun 2014 #95

Perhaps we should just speak about people as people, criticize them if we think they are wrong, as sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #157

Well, durn... chervilant Jun 2014 #223

I didn't say they were very influential, I said they claim to represent women. Those are two sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #351

It's really amusing to watch you accuse others of claiming they speak for all women while seaglass Jun 2014 #419

Absolutely, sir. (nt) Heidi Jun 2014 #176

Exactly! scarletwoman Jun 2014 #246

R#6 & K for, KKKarl's strategy has been to pit Dem constituencies against one another. n/t UTUSN Jun 2014 #6

good heavens, have I been missing something? a VERY cranky, radical old white woman niyad Jun 2014 #7

What threads? Where? Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #9

I too am an older white woman, a retired teacher... FLyellowdog Jun 2014 #10

I'm sorry shenmue Jun 2014 #13

Another older, retired, white woman here. SheilaT Jun 2014 #14

I like older white women. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #23

..... madfloridian Jun 2014 #26

Mine too LeafsFan17 Jun 2014 #37

I've known a few Peace Corp people, so know what you're saying. maddiemom Jun 2014 #63

im 55 MFM008 Jun 2014 #206

An RPCV from BlueMTexpat Jun 2014 #207

I am a former educator too, MissDeeds Jun 2014 #16

You are appreciated voteearlyvoteoften Jun 2014 #17

Guess who started this generation divide battle? The Third Way...in the 90s. madfloridian Jun 2014 #18

when I taught as an old geezer, I had youngers ask me to get roguevalley Jun 2014 #30

If you want to know why America has a deficit, look into the tax returns of the very wealthy JDPriestly Jun 2014 #167

Those affiliated with Third Way should be purged from the party. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #266

K&R. They've been so destructive. Overseas Jun 2014 #302

Yes. They employed an elaborate ruse to hand over control of the party to corporations. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #303

Agreed. Overseas Jun 2014 #306

Yep. The big red Trojan Horse you see in the middle of the Democratic Party is the Third Way. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #332

I couldn't agree more. They have their own party, they are only in this party because the other one sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #361

They have been so old-fashioned while pretending to modernize. Regressive. Overseas Jun 2014 #305

exactly. The "people" are asked to sacrifice for the common good. Where is the sacrifice for the liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #450

Its more than that and its sad and pisses me off to to levels of rage. MANY of us grew up in Drew Richards Jun 2014 #19

Good rant. Lifelong Protester Jun 2014 #55

I'm over 60, been on du since very near the beginning.... tomp Jun 2014 #249

+1! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #267

if anything DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #20

Many of us consider you to be an example of the very best DU has to offer. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #21

I'll second that. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #99

Links please Andy823 Jun 2014 #22

I have the old DU habit of not linking to posts when I am being critical. madfloridian Jun 2014 #24

Call it out LeafsFan17 Jun 2014 #38

Yes isin't strange that that used to be the policy...and I agree with..not linking..but others do it Drew Richards Jun 2014 #81

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2014 #27

Well said! Drew Richards Jun 2014 #87

Amen to that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #143

I'm an old-timer here..... Uben Jun 2014 #28

Recommended Marrah_G Jun 2014 #31

They're characterized by Their willingness to throw people under their bus, not just by WHO They MisterP Jun 2014 #32

Certain forms of bigotry are allowed, for example DrDan Jun 2014 #33

It is simply human nature and our culture to blame "others" for problems. goldent Jun 2014 #34

That is terrible, so sorry you felt that way LittleBlue Jun 2014 #36

All older people are not the same. Stellar Jun 2014 #39

Yes.... Grey Jun 2014 #40

Ageism is as bad as sexism I say... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #41

Excellent thread. K&R Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #42

let's be honest here - is this the Tiger Beat club again? Skittles Jun 2014 #44

Of course it is. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #101

LOL Skittles Jun 2014 #103

LOL WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #110

uh yes, really Skittles Jun 2014 #152

Yes. bravenak Jun 2014 #237

No, it is the Golden Girls snooper2 Jun 2014 #421

what madfloridian said bigtree Jun 2014 #45

Another older white woman here, and I will be damned if I will apologize hamsterjill Jun 2014 #46

Amen sister! StarryNite Jun 2014 #60

The young folks are one pregnancy scare away from getting it. Both sexes. Warpy Jun 2014 #79

Right On! Drew Richards Jun 2014 #85

I agree. hamsterjill Jun 2014 #114

A post referencing Swift and baby-eating was once hidden... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #123

I know, sometimes the ignorance here is astonishing Warpy Jun 2014 #169

True. It's the rudeness and doubling-down when one is so clearly wrong...` WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #297

Sheesh. That's pathetic. kath Jun 2014 #192

That's a good point. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #289

Many of us remember... onyourleft Jun 2014 #82

I remember girl friends suddenly gone for a whole school year. madfloridian Jun 2014 #153

Here Here KauaiK Jun 2014 #48

As an old woman/mother/grandmother/great-grandmother and one time activist GoldenOldie Jun 2014 #65

Hooray. Another golden geezer here, and here close to the start elfin Jun 2014 #49

I, too am an older white woman and retired teacher. I'll hit seventy in 2015. maddiemom Jun 2014 #50

My family were mostly Republicans. They believed basically the same as we did. madfloridian Jun 2014 #56

In a nutshell. The Southern Strategy and then the "Christian" Right." maddiemom Jun 2014 #68

After giving it some thought, I realized that the blame goes to Karl Rove; maddiemom Jun 2014 #250

I'm an Old White Guy and here is what I believe in..... zwyziec Jun 2014 #51

Great post. madfloridian Jun 2014 #52

Wonderful! You are are defnitely 75. I've got a half dozen years to go, but agree maddiemom Jun 2014 #76

I forget why I clicked on this thread... Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #53

..... madfloridian Jun 2014 #58

Right on, Sister! I'm an old, liberal white guy! LongTomH Jun 2014 #54

I put a lot heaven05 Jun 2014 #59

I am an old woman, named after my mother... KG Jun 2014 #61

When I used to sing professionally, Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #83

I saw some of the comments on one thread yesterday. historylovr Jun 2014 #62

Seems like a certain set wants to move forward past what made us Democrats. Octafish Jun 2014 #64

That is what I see also. nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #71

Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #168

I totally agree with you! nikto Jun 2014 #108

+1. It does seem that way, doesn't it. nt historylovr Jun 2014 #122

Wonderful post, MadFlo Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #66

Thanks, Blue madfloridian Jun 2014 #145

Sure. Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #149

I, too, am an older woman--I'll asjr Jun 2014 #73

You sound like an amazing person. madfloridian Jun 2014 #183

Sorry you have to feel that way on DU, asjr. But you're not alone, there is a nasty trend going on sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #348

Thanks Mad.... SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #74

^^^THIS!^^^ scarletwoman Jun 2014 #240

Who are the idiots making such asinine judgments?! I, for one, am a 64-yr-old FLAMING Liberal. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #75

This older white man is definately pulling this board to the left. Scuba Jun 2014 #77

And thank you for that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #461

I agree with you on this. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #78

Thanks for... onyourleft Jun 2014 #80

To all those who are wishing we would all just hurry up and die off: Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #84

Any of you kids think you're more progressive than me, but weren't out protesting with Occupy, Zorra Jun 2014 #86

Love it! scarletwoman Jun 2014 #245

+10000000000000000000000 QC Jun 2014 #290

KnR, madfloridian Hekate Jun 2014 #89

I haven't seen the threads, but don't mind them. Beacool Jun 2014 #90

Absolutely agree jopacaco Jun 2014 #92

Hi! I also come from blue collar roots in the Pgh area. Welcome to DU! kath Jun 2014 #194

Welcome to DU, from a native Johnstowner. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #330

Welcome to DU, jopacaco! femmocrat Jun 2014 #341

Me, too, liberal that is. The older I get the more liberal. madfloridian Jun 2014 #389

retired librarian, old white southern male, progressive side of every intraparty divide carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #93

instead of making it iamthebandfanman Jun 2014 #94

You were here before they were and, if you choose, you'll be here long after they've gone.... Rowdyboy Jun 2014 #96

I may have been clueless when younger, but I don't remember being rude. madfloridian Jun 2014 #97

Hey madflo. I agree with you and have never thought about age here... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #109

I should have bitten my tongue last night instead of responding. madfloridian Jun 2014 #116

I really believe part of it is the anonymnity granted by the keyboard... Rowdyboy Jun 2014 #180

I, too, am an older (71) white woman AND A PROGRESSIVE. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #102

, blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #104

Still at it in the trenches in downtown tpa. cachukis Jun 2014 #105

Hi there, haven't seen you post in ages. madfloridian Jun 2014 #197

Thank you. I've been here since 2002, and tired of being ripped to shreds. Faygo Kid Jun 2014 #107

I am also an oldie and wish to express a couple things to the youngsters onboard. Frustratedlady Jun 2014 #111

As an old white woman, I just assume that those here who stupidly broad-brush djean111 Jun 2014 #112

I get the distinct impression that DU is primarily made up of "older" people redruddyred Jun 2014 #113

Right on! FloriTexan Jun 2014 #115

Thank you, from an old fart who's been here since the start of this place. GoneOffShore Jun 2014 #118

Another almost-retired teacher and white female. femmocrat Jun 2014 #119

My daughter says I have an "inner hippie". madfloridian Jun 2014 #121

MF, most people ignore those who are here to divide people. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #124

Ad hominem arguments are distractions I hate liars Jun 2014 #125

PS: I'm not criticizing this thread... I hate liars Jun 2014 #126

MF is responding to some pretty nasty comments about 'old people' on this forum. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #166

You are right though, Sabrina. madfloridian Jun 2014 #185

No, I don't think you should lie low, MF. Liberals need to stand up more. It's because they often sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #393

Keep up the good fight madfloridian! neverforget Jun 2014 #128

I'm an older white man OldRedneck Jun 2014 #131

Love your post. Thanks for sharing. madfloridian Jun 2014 #187

That is an incredible story. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #271

The account of the person who thinks "old white men" are... SMC22307 Jun 2014 #132

Thank you. I usually stay out of stuff. This is twice in two weeks... madfloridian Jun 2014 #137

My pleasure. SMC22307 Jun 2014 #144

Some of us progressives grew old here! Generic Other Jun 2014 #138

Rec 840high Jun 2014 #139

I really value your input and that of older DU'ers steve2470 Jun 2014 #146

Thanks a lot for that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #148

"Who let all these old people in here?" NBachers Jun 2014 #147

Old memories...bet I could list more. madfloridian Jun 2014 #150

Yes, I was a little restrained with my entries. We all could fill in a lot of memories, couldn't we? NBachers Jun 2014 #151

There are people here who were involved in the civil rights, environmental, anti-war, etc. movements G_j Jun 2014 #155

Amen to that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #158

I am an older white woman also, and I agree. Thanks. nt babylonsister Jun 2014 #159

I've been here since 2001. Triana Jun 2014 #160

It's been OK for a long time to "hate old white guys", if we're being blunt Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #161

I am not old, only 62, and JEB Jun 2014 #162

me too. ellenrr Jun 2014 #227

When did Democrats start demeaning the elderly? Oilwellian Jun 2014 #163

In the 2008 primary. DURHAM D Jun 2014 #253

Madfloridian, you have always been advocating for education akbacchus_BC Jun 2014 #165

I have been retired for a while. I see what is happening by contact and research. madfloridian Jun 2014 #177

Well said, Mad.... paleotn Jun 2014 #173

Just try real hard not to take it to heart, madfloridian... countryjake Jun 2014 #179

the FUD looking for fissures has been extremely strong this past year NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #182

Yay! Tell 'em, girl! Duppers Jun 2014 #184

If we are dragging those "younger folk" down, I think they ought to take their young asses, MADem Jun 2014 #186

......... madfloridian Jun 2014 #188

Some of my favorite people davidthegnome Jun 2014 #189

no room for racism on du. glad to be the 200th rec of this thread Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #193

K&R LiberalElite Jun 2014 #198

do not be fooled DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #199

I'm a middle-aged feminist BainsBane Jun 2014 #209

Dear Mad ... hang in there! BlueMTexpat Jun 2014 #210

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #213

Little old 60+ woman here,not yet retired, but wannabe. raccoon Jun 2014 #216

What so many younger people tend to forget is that too will someday be older justiceischeap Jun 2014 #218

That sort of stuff is why I barely ever post here any. 99Forever Jun 2014 #231

Much empathy with your words. madfloridian Jun 2014 #396

You're not the only one reconsidering your party affiliation. If the party doesn't want 'old white sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #409

Sabrina, question. I swear I must be stupid. madfloridian Jun 2014 #410

Look at the top of this page. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #412

Thanks, after this I better fill one out. madfloridian Jun 2014 #413

It's definitely a good idea. I filled it out a while ago, still have a few spaces though which sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #414

It helps a lot PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #417

I have always been a registered Democrat, and a two-time Obama voter. madfloridian Jun 2014 #243

Per more stuff in this thread....I ALERTED ONCE. madfloridian Jun 2014 #244

OK, I'm a white male, 71. rogerashton Jun 2014 #247

I am an older white women, retired school nurse mgardener Jun 2014 #248

People should know what this is about BainsBane Jun 2014 #252

Okay, here goes. Here's the text since you keep pushing it. madfloridian Jun 2014 #255

If you wanted to "be in this together" BainsBane Jun 2014 #257

I did try to discuss. madfloridian Jun 2014 #258

You didn't respond to her apology BainsBane Jun 2014 #259

At least she didn't say 'I really don't care about her apologies.' Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #260

That is what you single out as nasty? BainsBane Jun 2014 #261

It was an example of a really nasty response to a genuine and heartfelt apology... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #262

This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Jun 2014 #285

Oh please. RiffRandell Jun 2014 #325

I've seen her apologize several times BainsBane Jun 2014 #333

Forget it, Baines. Thanks for trying, though. Peace to all. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #336

She never apologized to me. RiffRandell Jun 2014 #342

I never mentioned the name, never gave a link until just now when you pushed it. madfloridian Jun 2014 #265

I guess we had it coming to us. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #278

I think it was a good post. bravenak Jun 2014 #256

It was an EXCELLENT post. redqueen Jun 2014 #274

Not ALL men!! bravenak Jun 2014 #276

It is SO clear in your post which segment of society you were talking about. redqueen Jun 2014 #277

Because that is not how it was stated PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #280

Bullshit. Find me some bellyaching about this redqueen Jun 2014 #295

To be honest, it made me do a second and third read. historylovr Jun 2014 #286

+1000... SidDithers Jun 2014 #263

Well said. redqueen Jun 2014 #275

This thread is about posters Union Scribe Jun 2014 #386

I would think if people were tired of division BainsBane Jun 2014 #394

anytime any1 says questionseverything Jun 2014 #254

Thanks for the post. ctsnowman Jun 2014 #264

I see all my friends are under the transparency tab libodem Jun 2014 #272

Another old broad checking in Maeve Jun 2014 #273

frankly, I do not believe age is the issue noiretextatique Jun 2014 #284

There's been an attempt generally to divide the young from the old(er) in the media. alarimer Jun 2014 #288

Noticed the "old" meme crop up, which is generally applied to anyone middle-aged or older... villager Jun 2014 #292

I am often seen as too liberal here. madfloridian Jun 2014 #296

Exactly. villager Jun 2014 #298

as though the party's problem is rigid, doctrinaire lefties rather than glib corporate spokesmodels MisterP Jun 2014 #329

Exactly, redux villager Jun 2014 #334

Jeane Kirkpatrick/Scoop Jackson playbook? that's an OLD one nt MisterP Jun 2014 #335

If there is honest sincerity about not wanting to disparage older people here... madfloridian Jun 2014 #300

nailed it. djean111 Jun 2014 #301

I am serious. madfloridian Jun 2014 #309

I know you are. And yes, it is being doubled-down on. djean111 Jun 2014 #311

It's interesting to me that there was no similar angst about 'the dividing' when this came out redqueen Jun 2014 #310

That was published in 2001. madfloridian Jun 2014 #315

Are you talking about the thread where bravenak talks about being alert stalked? redqueen Jun 2014 #317

It reads like the future of DU to me. madfloridian Jun 2014 #320

The title does not bother me. It also doesn't bother me when women complain about white feminists. redqueen Jun 2014 #321

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #304

Why does the older white demographic vote Republican in large numbers? YoungDemCA Jun 2014 #307

Older DUers do not likely vote Republican in large numbers. madfloridian Jun 2014 #308

Some people here don't want to talk about what bravenak ACTUALLY WROTE, redqueen Jun 2014 #312

racism and sexism often go hand in hand. A lot of overlap there ... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #339

+10000000 reality sucks noiretextatique Jun 2014 #314

older white people are the GOP demographic...period noiretextatique Jun 2014 #313

Wrong, there are many older and elderly white Democrats in America. quinnox Jun 2014 #316

who votes for republicans? noiretextatique Jun 2014 #318

And many of those elderly white Democrats are Southern style Democrats. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #327

I am tired of qualifying...it is privilege to demand that noiretextatique Jun 2014 #407

. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #415

okay...who the fuck is the GOP demographic? noiretextatique Jul 2014 #474

Yes. Number23 Jun 2014 #343

wtf...you would think i said all white americans are fascists or something noiretextatique Jul 2014 #477

I'm not perplexed at all nor am I perplexed by the responses you got from particular posters Number23 Jul 2014 #482

Joe Biden is an old White Man. So is Sen Sanders and Reid and every old Democrat I know sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #392

that does not change the reality of the GOP's demographic noiretextatique Jul 2014 #476

So your point is to drive all older white people Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #442

my point is not controversial...at all. it is a FACT noiretextatique Jul 2014 #475

Your facts are the republicans dream. Jakes Progress Jul 2014 #479

how absolutely ridiculous...you can continue to deny reality all you like noiretextatique Jul 2014 #480

Still missing the point, Jakes Progress Jul 2014 #484

Not older Democrats of any shade, though. merrily Jul 2014 #473

duh...of course not. real democrats typically do no fall for the GOP's bullshit noiretextatique Jul 2014 #478

I agree on both points. merrily Jul 2014 #483

I Was More Conservative When I Was Younger Liberal_Dog Jun 2014 #319

Older, white retired widow agreeing with you, MadFlo. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #322

279 recs. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #324

It's more threads than that now, they just keep coming Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #326

And the jury results are in.... aikoaiko Jun 2014 #345

Recommended, thanks for saying what needed to be said. Autumn Jun 2014 #331

NO, I am not an "alert stalker", not an ex Repub troll stalking. Defending myself... madfloridian Jun 2014 #349

I am trying to decide which one is the drama queen Skittles Jun 2014 #352

I am defending myself against those attacks. If you call that drama queen so be it. madfloridian Jun 2014 #354

I never said it was you Skittles Jun 2014 #362

You know what? I don't give a damn what anyone says here anymore. madfloridian Jun 2014 #364

do what I do - put those folk on Ignore Skittles Jun 2014 #365

+1000 - I support you, I have read your posts for over a decade now. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #375

Thank you. madfloridian Jun 2014 #376

There are many sincere people here Union Scribe Jun 2014 #388

Good 1st paragraph, very true. madfloridian Jun 2014 #398

Now I'm a drama queen. madfloridian Jun 2014 #355

No, you're no drama queen. historylovr Jun 2014 #395

Again for visibility..my defense of me and some links I didn't post before trying to be nice. madfloridian Jun 2014 #397

I already feel like I'm not wanted here, or as a Democrat. ladyVet Jun 2014 #399

I am amazed at how far left I am heading. madfloridian Jun 2014 #404

Just remember, you are in very good company. Those few who are slamming Democrats on this forum have sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #406

FDR said, "I welcome their hatred" Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #436

Yeah, me too. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #416

+1. historylovr Jun 2014 #444

I updated the post in which I defend myself and give examples of why I posted. madfloridian Jun 2014 #418

AND madfloridian Jun 2014 #423

They are being myopic and working from a tiny world. Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #443

I've been watching this thread and I feel a need to comment.... Sancho Jun 2014 #431

Thanks so much for your post. Lots of wisdom as usual. madfloridian Jun 2014 #433

I tried reading all this crap. Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #445

K&R! Almost 300 recs! Rex Jun 2014 #451

300th rec... Upton Jun 2014 #453

Thanks for linking the two original posts which mention the WHITE MEN on DU ... slipslidingaway Jun 2014 #454

In my journal I put two posts with what was said. madfloridian Jun 2014 #455

Old rules seem to no longer matter ... slipslidingaway Jun 2014 #456

A couple of months ago kiva Jun 2014 #457

I've decided not to use it. madfloridian Jun 2014 #459

I respect your decision. kiva Jun 2014 #460

I just heard through the grapevine that I am still being accused of serial stalking and trolling. madfloridian Jun 2014 #458

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #485

The theme of *white liberals are racists* continues... Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #462

Bigoted? Reverse bigoted hooey? JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #463

If that's the reason for ditching FDR, it's a lame one. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #464

It's not ditching FDR JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #465

Wow. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #466

And I can appreciate that JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #467

Do you really think Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #469

And I can appreciate that JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #470

Everybody's experience is valid, I do believe that wholeheartedly. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #472

Here's a good book that will help you understand us JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #468

Thanks, JAG. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #471

anti seniorism is stupid DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #481