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In reply to the discussion: Is Softball Sexist? [View all]

malthaussen

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107. Some food for thought...
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jun 2014

Have you read about Eri Yoshida and Ila Borders? Both played pro baseball as pitchers. In Little League baseball, there are a few girls who throw knuckleballs, which I've always thought was an ideal way for women to break the gender barrier into "men's" sports because it doesn't require extraordinary arm strength. I had hopes for Yoshida, but the irony is that ML managers don't like knuckleballers much, and women are not going to throw 100 MPH heat any time soon.

Pushing girls into softball (or girls-only versions of sports like basketball, which is equally sexist) is obviously one way to keep them out of the professional locker rooms. Saying women aren't physically capable is another (and reminds one of the excuse once used to exclude blacks and minorities from sports: "they don't have the talent.&quot . While physical reality does indicate that it would be rare to find a woman who could compete equally with men in most sports, it does seem unfitting that the exceptions should be denied their chance.

But as for Jackie Mitchell, come on. It was Chattanooga, for crying out loud, and the Chattanooga owner was a showman in the tradition of Bill Veeck. If Ruth and Gehrig weren't paid to whiff, they would have been willing to do it for a lark. Kenesaw Mountain Landis totally overreacted (if indeed that wasn't the plan all along).

-- Mal

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Is Softball Sexist? [View all] boston bean Jun 2014 OP
Softball is not "sexist" MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #1
It took years for woman to get their basketball program yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #2
That's some really heavy thinking..... boston bean Jun 2014 #4
It can't be sexist mindem Jun 2014 #3
Another deflection from the point of the article with some sexism thrown in to boot. boston bean Jun 2014 #5
Please forgive me for not following your special little rules mindem Jun 2014 #10
Did I offend your sensibilities! gads! boston bean Jun 2014 #12
That's OK I just need another cup of coffee mindem Jun 2014 #16
I thought it was funny. pintobean Jun 2014 #18
Or offer opinions on those jokes. Me BAD! LOL boston bean Jun 2014 #19
It was an evil plot to hijack your thread pintobean Jun 2014 #20
Well, that is always a possibility. boston bean Jun 2014 #21
And the jury Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #26
The jury for what? Post the results if you could so I know what you are talking about. boston bean Jun 2014 #34
Sorry, already deleted results Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #37
And what does that mean? That it wasn't sexist? Because a jury has spoken? boston bean Jun 2014 #38
Someone juried Post #3? Man, what's happening here? TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #106
"Special little rules." How delightfully condescending of you. Squinch Jun 2014 #48
No more condescending than being dressed down over a simple joke mindem Jun 2014 #70
Selectively or intentionally. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #73
Condescending doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Squinch Jun 2014 #90
By definition mindem Jun 2014 #91
A lot of sports are PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #6
If people read the article they would understand the question. boston bean Jun 2014 #8
This should go well alcibiades_mystery Jun 2014 #7
It's sexist to only offer girls softball and only offer boys baseball. dawg Jun 2014 #9
Well, that is the point of the article. boston bean Jun 2014 #11
It seems like to me that it would be hard to argue against .. dawg Jun 2014 #14
Many men play softball. Hell, there are thousands of mens softball leagues. boston bean Jun 2014 #17
I don't think it done to purposely keep them from interfering with baseball ... dawg Jun 2014 #22
Why use incorrect assumptions to prevent women from playing? boston bean Jun 2014 #23
Because these men are stupid and they want to protect ... dawg Jun 2014 #25
Well, it's been a time honored tradition to keep women boston bean Jun 2014 #28
I guess it's possible, but ... dawg Jun 2014 #33
That's because they don't have to say it dawg, it's just reality. boston bean Jun 2014 #36
I think that WWII inspired more changes in our society that for which it generally gets credit. Maedhros Jun 2014 #85
Interesting read. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #92
Fewer innings, too. Ilsa Jun 2014 #13
Kind of works the other way, too... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #49
I had not heard that it was the women's game that Ilsa Jun 2014 #65
I could be wrong about how those rules changed, Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #93
you could not be more wrong wilt the stilt Jun 2014 #83
Both are equally boring. randome Jun 2014 #15
This reminds me of ringette laundry_queen Jun 2014 #24
So... dawg Jun 2014 #27
LOLOL laundry_queen Jun 2014 #80
That is so neat. dawg Jun 2014 #84
I was obsessed laundry_queen Jun 2014 #89
Manon Rheaume made it to the NHL. Maedhros Jun 2014 #86
Heck school sports don't have to lead to professional play treestar Jun 2014 #31
No, not that I know of laundry_queen Jun 2014 #81
Rules for women's sports are often different than men's sports mathematic Jun 2014 #29
Well, Little League baseball has girls playing real baseball. MineralMan Jun 2014 #30
Yeah, they do, but how many women are playing college baseball? boston bean Jun 2014 #32
I do not have an answer for either of your questions. MineralMan Jun 2014 #35
cool boston bean Jun 2014 #39
I do see that there are many, many coed softball leagues MineralMan Jun 2014 #40
oh gawd. Ok. boston bean Jun 2014 #42
I don't know why people do things. MineralMan Jun 2014 #43
No, I'm just looking for a responses that take into consideration the context of the boston bean Jun 2014 #47
Yes. Well, on DU, you get what you get. MineralMan Jun 2014 #55
Ok, so don't think about it. boston bean Jun 2014 #56
This is a serious question Lonusca Jun 2014 #51
Well, I suppose if you don't play baseball competitively in some fashion boston bean Jun 2014 #52
Therese are two different issues Lonusca Jun 2014 #57
Yeah, that's exactly what I am saying.. re your last sentence. boston bean Jun 2014 #58
So do they have access or not? Lonusca Jun 2014 #62
Your premise is that girls aren't pushed into softball over baseball. boston bean Jun 2014 #67
On the contrary Lonusca Jun 2014 #87
They would have to be capable of making the team. alphafemale Jun 2014 #53
If women are pushed into softball boston bean Jun 2014 #54
No. alphafemale Jun 2014 #66
Not true. boston bean Jun 2014 #68
A pitcher here and there perhaps. alphafemale Jun 2014 #75
ah, yeah, to your last question,again. boston bean Jun 2014 #76
Yeah. A woman struck men out in an exhibition fun thing. alphafemale Jun 2014 #82
A lefty one-pitch against two lefties? Come on, bean...she was a great promotion, msanthrope Jun 2014 #105
One of the limiting factors for competitive sports is lack of testosterone AngryAmish Jun 2014 #88
Little league and the leadup groups are modified forms of baseball similar to softball JVS Jun 2014 #98
My son was struck out 2 times be a LL girl pitcher ileus Jun 2014 #104
I don't see softball and baseball as 2 totally different sports but rather variations of the same seaglass Jun 2014 #41
I really wish I had given the article title a different name, boston bean Jun 2014 #46
I get what you are saying and agree with a couple things, that the option to play softball does seaglass Jun 2014 #100
I suspect that the underhand pitching has more to do with helping the batters than with a... JVS Jun 2014 #59
Go Gators! I have no objection to women's baseball. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #44
No. Iggo Jun 2014 #45
Indubitably. Zorra Jun 2014 #50
I'd like to see baseball offered to women in college. Inkfreak Jun 2014 #60
Girls & Boys should play Softball & Baseball based on... Mike Nelson Jun 2014 #61
For several years I played in co-ed softball leagues. We had a lot of fun. Round the Clock weekend Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #63
Is it sexist not to let boys try out for the softball team? nt Logical Jun 2014 #64
yeah, it is. If they want to play softball and women want to play baseball, why not. boston bean Jun 2014 #69
Totally the wrong way to look at softball. It is a unique sport LittleBlue Jun 2014 #71
Fast pitch or Slow pitch? Personally, I like to Tee off on a Slow Pitch. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #72
I use to fast pitch in highschool boston bean Jun 2014 #74
I would fully support a WMLB if there is enough interest bluestateguy Jun 2014 #77
I agree with the author. Two sports. hunter Jun 2014 #78
They are definitely not "separate but equal" A Little Weird Jun 2014 #79
I'm one of those I Dislike All Sports Equally sort of slackers... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #94
I'm male and played Softball. So, No it's not n/t JesterCS Jun 2014 #95
Slightly OT, but it always has driven me a little nuts how Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #96
good point, are coaches usually people who use to play the sport ? JI7 Jun 2014 #97
Generally, yes, Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #99
I don't believe there are any MLB managers who didn't play the sport at the pro level onenote Jun 2014 #102
women's baseball is still in its nascent stages onenote Jun 2014 #101
A skinny woman must have wrote this... ileus Jun 2014 #103
Some food for thought... malthaussen Jun 2014 #107
It depends on how you look at it... some of it is due to outdated norms davidn3600 Jun 2014 #108
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