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48. Weird coincidence about our Consul General in Barcelona

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 01:41 PM

Apr 2012

Does this post always go to some right wing tool?

I was living there in the late sixties, knew the Consul General then. He was a Nixon-cheering, Franco-loving
pro-fascist, made no bones about it. In the Nixon era, it was our government's policy to lick Franco's fascist
ass as long as he let us have free rein with our military installations in Spain. Agnew even visited Franco on
July 18th. JULY 18TH for Pete's sake!! That would have been the equivalent of FDR sending his VP to visit
Hitler in the anniversary of the Kristallnacht.

Some history to explain my comment:
July 18th was the official date of the start of the fascist uprising that started the Spanish Civil War. In some
accounts, it was the 17th, but the fascists celebrated the 18th. The Caudillo ("Führer&quot was supposed to be
General Sanjurjo, who was in exile in Portugal, but Sanjurjo insisted that his plane be overloaded with
fancy dress uniforms. His pilot warned that the plane was overweight for safe flight. Sanjurjo, an egotistical
bastard, overruled his pilot. The plane took off, crashed, and Sanjurjo did not survive the crash. At least the
pilot did survive. Franco became Caudillo due to his superior's fatal vanity.

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Zimmerman's grandfather connected to the CIA - this explains why the murderer is not in jail [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 OP

That's one weird ass website you linked too... snooper2 Apr 2012 #1

It certainly goes well together, given that there are almost no jobs in our country anymore, and... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #2

Well that explains why they spell their last names differently obey Apr 2012 #3

The grandfather's official obituary deleted the last n from his name. mainer Apr 2012 #5

Ah Ha, and Grampa Zimmermann was from Minnesota obey Apr 2012 #20

And I sense a mole, Mr. 51 posts mainer Apr 2012 #33

I never notice things like when posters became active. I guess I should. It might explain behavior Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #52

How's that spook ass taste? Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #40

I'm sure there's a lots more we don't know. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #7

The grandfather died like 20 years ago? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #4

sshhhh you'll ruin it... belcffub Apr 2012 #6

If this is correct, it would provide an explanation why Zimmerman is being given the VIP treatment Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #8

It means the father could access damaging information mainer Apr 2012 #10

Exactly. And this wouldn't be the first time - nor the last for something like that to happen nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #11

So if daddy has this power, why didn't he get Georgie a cushy job? onenote Apr 2012 #13

Because George is a troublemaker and a loser mainer Apr 2012 #14

So daddy can get the PD and SA to risk their careers for this loser but couldn't get him set up onenote Apr 2012 #16

George's life is on the line here. It makes sense this is far more urgent mainer Apr 2012 #17

Exactly. In such circumstances, you call whoever you have to call on and cash in your chips. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #25

I have a 100 favors i can call in if I am in real trouble, but I don't have Job connections.... slampoet Apr 2012 #30

Interesting that you choose to argue via questions in lieu of statements. rhett o rick Apr 2012 #38

Why is it interesting? onenote Apr 2012 #41

1) Because a murderer is running free; 2) Because he's being given VIP treatment; 3) Because the Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #73

I was asking why the poster thought it was interesting that I framed my posts as a question. onenote Apr 2012 #80

Oh ok, sorry. I thought you were wondering why the Zimmerman case was interesting. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #83

Sorry if I misunderstood you. rhett o rick Apr 2012 #139

Risk what? What's to risk? Power has been manipulating everything from early history to the Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #70

I don't think this case is turning out to be a good career move for the police chief or the SA onenote Apr 2012 #71

You're right about that. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #76

You could be right, but isn't it something that Zimmerman is being treated like VIP, and such Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #19

Father was a justice of the peace. Kaleva Apr 2012 #32

Yup. A magistrate judge. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #55

Just "magistrate" not "magistrate judge" onenote Apr 2012 #92

I think that a more important question is was daddyzimmy did PRIOR to becoming a magistrate Ecumenist Apr 2012 #141

I agree. How long has it been since Zimmerman shot the child? And STILL he runs free. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #144

Maybe the three previous closed cases are an example of his ability to pull strings? Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #59

If so he really is a very very powerful guy. onenote Apr 2012 #69

We have lawyers in the area with 8 DUIs Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #74

How on earth does the grandfather being in the CIA Travelman Apr 2012 #24

The father is possible CIA also. Recall the 25 year career gap? slampoet Apr 2012 #31

Don't even need a college degree to be one in Virginia Kaleva Apr 2012 #35

That is totally irrelevant to the topic. leveymg Apr 2012 #42

Was he actually a judge? Kaleva Apr 2012 #44

Magistrate judges do the same job as any judge. In 3 of the litigated cases I manage, the Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #57

A judge with no requirement for a law degree? For even a college degree? hack89 Apr 2012 #60

In 24 states across the country, judges don�t need a law degree to serve on certain courts. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #65

So why do you think being a Virginia magistrate hack89 Apr 2012 #66

Why does power function as power? Because power and money wield power since time Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #68

But you have yet to show he has either power or money. hack89 Apr 2012 #93

Shoeshine person? How low do you dream of making him to make him seem insignficant? Give me an Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #102

He was a magistrate for six years hack89 Apr 2012 #107

Question. I know you're a pro-gun, gun lover. No mystery about that. But would you defend anyone Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #109

I am on record as saying Zimerman broke the law and should be arrested. hack89 Apr 2012 #110

My reply Kaleva Apr 2012 #63

Here's how magistrate is viewed: "A magistrate is an officer of the state; in modern usa... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #67

Zimmerman's father was a low level judicial officer... Kaleva Apr 2012 #86

Next thing you know, Zimmerman's father will be said to have fried burgers at McDonald's lol Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #90

Well, you certainly tried hard to make him more then he was. Kaleva Apr 2012 #103

There are 2 of you on this forum who long to make him a server at a local fast food joint, just to Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #104

It is hard to believe that a judicial officer for 6 years... Kaleva Apr 2012 #112

No - we just want you to present some actual facts hack89 Apr 2012 #113

Magistrates in Virginia do not do the same job as any judge onenote Apr 2012 #95

VA Magistrates issue warrants, subpoenas, summonses. They're Judges. leveymg Apr 2012 #97

And any judge in Virginia will tell you that they're not. onenote Apr 2012 #100

What, exactly, is your point? Are you implying that George getting off twice did not have anything leveymg Apr 2012 #108

The only relevance is that some folks are misdescribing what his father's job was. onenote Apr 2012 #115

I haven't seen any evidence that Zimmerman's father's... Kaleva Apr 2012 #118

Wow, way to dodge the question. slampoet Apr 2012 #116

Info on Robert Zimmeran Kaleva Apr 2012 #129

Who says there's a 25 year gap. Kaleva Apr 2012 #120

OK. Why would the CIA protect a cop wanna be HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #43

It isn't the cia it is connection gotten while in their employ. slampoet Apr 2012 #114

Well, I doubt the SA or Chief of Police are ex CIA HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #122

Or they have secrets that Zimmerman's dad dug up on them mainer Apr 2012 #123

and Church and KKK connections are EXACTLY the kind of things a CIA operative collects. slampoet Apr 2012 #125

CIA not allowed to spy domestically. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #130

Valerie Plame lived in the US mainer Apr 2012 #131

She wasnt carrying out a domestic operation though HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #135

Who said Robert J was carrying out any domestic operations? mainer Apr 2012 #136

The speculation was that he used CIA contacts HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #137

Only when the turds cross the Rubicon to come and float around for a while--before the flush. n/t Horse with no Name Apr 2012 #78

So did Grandpappy Bush Horse with no Name Apr 2012 #82

Grampa Zimmerman supposedly "died" 20 years ago whistler162 Apr 2012 #138

More like 13 years ago. Not speculation, comparing his obit with info that's been released about HiPointDem Apr 2012 #176

No it does not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #9

Zimmerman called Daddy, Daddy made some calls. Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #18

That's what I think. When someone is facing the possibility of capital punishment, why not. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #21

Yup, that he did nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #22

There are 100 different ways Pappy Zim could have made that first call after hearing from Georgie Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #26

Local area connects and developing them is in the CIA handbook. slampoet Apr 2012 #28

I happen to live in an area with a lot of retired CIA folks. mainer Apr 2012 #12

My grandpa worked for the CIA XemaSab Apr 2012 #15

By some peope's logic, yup. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #23

Maybe you could just click "alert" for starters and try the bullet if that fails Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #27

I have a list too Horse with no Name Apr 2012 #85

Where were you when Walt Starr was tomnbstoned? Dr. Strange Apr 2012 #94

Haha joshcryer Apr 2012 #146

I read the link that was posted and deleted EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2012 #29

Interesting info JustAnotherGen Apr 2012 #34

NY Times says grandfather was "Army Intelligence" Justice4allofus Apr 2012 #36

Both might be true. Remember, before there was a CIA it was called Military Intel. slampoet Apr 2012 #37

I had a HS teacher (early 70s) who was a retired army colonel HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #46

I had a similar teacher on loan from the Naval War College. slampoet Apr 2012 #111

My father JustAnotherGen Apr 2012 #98

I think the family was trying to AVOID scrutiny when they got George off mainer Apr 2012 #39

I'm going out on a limb here and proposing a vastly more complicated explanation. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #45

+1 onenote Apr 2012 #47

+1000. My God, with all these CIA fantasies COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #89

I think you have it. MineralMan Apr 2012 #91

Bingo HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #132

zimmerman doesn't seem to be especially connected. he worked as a security guard, notoriously HiPointDem Apr 2012 #162

Church, fraternal orgs, chamber of commerce, etc HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #175

Weird coincidence about our Consul General in Barcelona DFW Apr 2012 #48

Thanks, it's interesting. I lived in Spain (not with the military or anything - I was married to a Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #79

Yes, I had been wondering about your Basque name DFW Apr 2012 #117

It sure wasn't! I'm sure you know that nowadays the skeletons of the Franco supporters Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #128

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Isn't the color of his skin the more likely reason? nt hack89 Apr 2012 #49

That's the reason the murder took place, for sure. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #50

And why the cops automatically took his side. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #54

Read grandfather's career recollections: in S. America during the "Dirty War" & in Franco's Spain leveymg Apr 2012 #51

great find! n/t librechik Apr 2012 #53

Clear that the grandfather has an intelligence service background onenote Apr 2012 #56

Thanks for pointing this out. He was indeed a "State Dept. spook." I know of at least 2 ex-CIA Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #62

My experience is similar onenote Apr 2012 #72

$35,000? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #75

Salary for magistrates in Virginia onenote Apr 2012 #84

In case you wanted to see his face, here's Zimmerman's father, the "magistrate".... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #88

Still has that military flattop. Guess it becomes him. leveymg Apr 2012 #99

Not just that. The fact that he won't show his face is very telling. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #101

One could say, if he really believes George is innocent, he'd publicly stand right behind him. leveymg Apr 2012 #105

I think you're probably right. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #106

It's the Grandfather, Robert W appears to have been a State Dept. spook. The father was military - leveymg Apr 2012 #96

I have a extended family member like that... EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2012 #77

Isn't it amazing how far money can stretch with certain connections? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #81

Here's Robert W. Zimmerman - '60 Diplomatic List, Madrid, Zimmerman, Robert W., 1st sec; pol. ofl. leveymg Apr 2012 #119

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Because it's not a "theory" that George's grandpa worked intelligence mainer Apr 2012 #61

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An astute poster EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2012 #87

Find evidence of Zimmerman's connections influencing the handling of this case and get back to me. Vattel Apr 2012 #121

Find evidence reflecting Cheney the prick's influence over the oil industry and get back to me Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #124

I am not demanding legal proof. Vattel Apr 2012 #133

If there's no legal proof, there's a lot of speculation. In fact, speculation is almost all of what Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #134

Thanks for treating me like your BOY. slampoet Apr 2012 #126

Proof of anything usually starts with a hypothesis mainer Apr 2012 #127

so many assumptions arely staircase Apr 2012 #140

I don't think anyone is thinking the cops were lazy. In fact, I think that's the last supposition Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #143

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And you joined Democratic Underground TODAY to post this, huh? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #148

yep kmarx1917 Apr 2012 #151

You didn't realize the day you join DU shows on your profile Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #153

My crystal ball says... NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #154

He joined a few minutes ago, and was clueless he'd be figured out nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #155

Very Stealthy! NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #156

Yes! His post is already hidden. I think it's funny. He's not the only one that tried this nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #157

And now, PPRed. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #158

I see that. Why do "they" do this to themselves? A desire to suffer? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #159

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I'd also like to know your thoughts on... kmarx1917 Apr 2012 #149

So where do you usually hang out that you had to join DU today to post this? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #150

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It appears that Robert W. Zimmerman died in 1999 Kaleva Apr 2012 #142

And I hear some say his great-grandfather was a Pinkerton... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #161

got a link for that? that *would* be interesting. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #163

Nah. It's just what I heard some people saying... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #164

ah, i see. you were joking. zimmerman's grandpa actually was intelligence, though. that's HiPointDem Apr 2012 #165

Yes but as some other posters have pointed out... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #166

a little favoritism fascisthunter Apr 2012 #169

So anyone who had a grandfather in the CIA can kill whoever they want without recourse? ButterflyBlood Apr 2012 #172

I find this post reaching. n/t vaberella Apr 2012 #173

well.... you'd know about reaching fascisthunter Apr 2012 #174