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BlueCheese

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Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:07 AM Jun 2014

I just ordered Glenn Greenwald's book, No Place To Hide. [View all]

My local bookseller ran out of copies, so I ended up ordering it through Amazon, which lets you read the first chapter online even if you ordered a physical copy.

A few very interesting tidbits already:

1. Some people say that Edward Snowden is a coward because he didn't stay in the US and undergo the Chelsea Manning treatment or volunteer to face a firing squad at dawn. (Strangely, history doesn't think so poorly of Charles de Gaulle, the Dalai Lama or any number of exiles.) However, one important point is that Edward Snowden voluntarily identified himself as the source of the leaks. We know who he is not because the government found him out, but because he chose to reveal himself. As he wrote to Greenwald,

I want to spark a worldwide debate about privacy, Internet freedom, and the dangers of state surveillance. I'm not afraid of what will happen to me. I've accepted that my life will likely be over from my doing this. I'm at peace with that. I know it's the right thing to do. I want to identify myself as the person behind these disclosures. I believe I have an obligation to explain why I'm doing this and what I hope to achieve."

These are not the words of someone who wanted to escape the consequences for his actions and to keep living the good life in Hawaii.

2. What was Snowden's biggest fear? That despite the enormous scale of his revelations, that nothing would happen.

I only have one fear in doing all of this... that people will see these documents and shrug, that they'll say, "we assumed this was happening and don't care."

Now, in the light of the Snowden documents, a lot has happened. But it is true that some people have indeed decided to shrug, to say we knew this was happening, and to carry on unbothered. What has surprised and disappointed me most of all, however, is the source of some of this sentiment. I knew neo-cons and certain Republicans would be fully in favor of the NSA's massive surveillance programs. I did not expect that so many self-identified Democrats would find themselves also supporting them. Whether it's our leaders like Obama, Pelosi, Feinstein, and Kerry, or grassroots people even here on DU, it's shocked me that so many people would not only ignore, but actively defend these programs. Whether it's loyalty to a Democratic administration or something else, these are programs that would have been anathema during the Bush administration. Equally jarring is the attitude of many establishment journalists, who seem ready to classify perhaps the most important journalism in our nation's history as criminal activity.

Just from what I've read so far, I'm convinced. Edward Snowden and several tenacious reporters have revealed government misconduct on a gigantic scale-- misconduct that was conducted in secrecy and shielded by deliberate lies to the public. They have made us aware of a massive invasion of our rights in ways that have no place in a democracy. The surveillance state has grown completely out of control and must be reined in and dismantled, and we cannot accept anything less.
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Check out Luke Harding's boock next. joshcryer Jun 2014 #1
I didn't. Harding's book was written as a "thriller". Greenwald's book has a purpose beyond Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #2
Yeah, "No Place To Hide" wasn't a thriller. joshcryer Jun 2014 #9
Have you already read Snowden's book? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #3
Has Snowden written a book? joshcryer Jun 2014 #10
My mistake, I meant Greenwald's book. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #12
Read 'em both. joshcryer Jun 2014 #13
Have you seen this interview of Wiebe And Binney? They do confirm much of what Snowden contends. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #16
Reading now. joshcryer Jun 2014 #17
I remember when the Republicans Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #20
Al Gore's cap and trade is a failure. joshcryer Jun 2014 #22
Cap and trade is only a transition and Gore was sounding the alarm long before Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #25
Cap and trade doesn't work. joshcryer Jun 2014 #28
I agree it is a mixed bag, I never implied it was any silver bullet Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #33
Irrelevant, even if true... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #23
Money is nothing. joshcryer Jun 2014 #29
Greenwald has been doing more than his share on this matter. Helen Borg Jun 2014 #34
Disagree. joshcryer Jun 2014 #36
The book has received excellent reviews. I intend to order it as I believe it is a very important sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #14
I plan on reading it as well. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #18
Thank you Uncle Joe. No Whistle Blower can receive a fair trial in this country. Manning's torture sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #21
Read both... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #6
As did I. joshcryer Jun 2014 #11
Awesome Post 100% Agreed billhicks76 Jun 2014 #4
+1 Enthusiast Jun 2014 #5
Something else that stood out to me... BlueCheese Jun 2014 #7
Bamboozlement billhicks76 Jun 2014 #8
Our government has been exposed as corrupt so often now that few have any faith in anything they sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #15
That's what they did to Dan Rather with the Bush AWOL story. Maedhros Jun 2014 #32
No place to hide from the humiliation, LOL ucrdem Jun 2014 #19
lol! neverforget Jun 2014 #30
Dankeschön ucrdem Jun 2014 #31
I remember Greenwald when he was just another writer on Daily Kos. But he stood out to Democrats sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #24
It is pretty clear why some on the "left" now agree with the right wing... grasswire Jun 2014 #27
I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. I'm going with the Third Way infiltration of the Dem Party for sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #35
There are no diaries by Glenn Greenwald on Daily KOS. ucrdem Jun 2014 #40
Perhaps SunsetDreams Jun 2014 #48
The comparison to Charles de Gaulle is ludicrous goldent Jun 2014 #26
Cryptome "freed" it (i.e. they published it on the internet for anyone to read). MADem Jun 2014 #37
Thanks MADem, just skimmed it and reached this horrifying conclusion: ucrdem Jun 2014 #42
I have to agree with Crytome's point. MADem Jun 2014 #43
Cryptome rocks. ucrdem Jun 2014 #44
Dayum--that's news to me!! And boy oh boy, you are quite correct-- were they RIGHT!!!! nt MADem Jun 2014 #45
The Youngs had Assange's number from the start. Further, they called bullshit on GG and ES a long msanthrope Jun 2014 #47
K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #38
It's free on Cryptome. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #39
Here's a link that worked for me: ucrdem Jun 2014 #41
Kick for the hilarity ucrdem Jun 2014 #46
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