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88. Had it been lucid, there would not have been multiple objections,

Reply to woo me with science (Reply #82)

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 12:53 PM

Jun 2014

And it would not have been hidden.

The poster's later responses that were more precise have not been thus dealt with.

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Snowden signed a non-disclosure agreement to get the Federal security clearance [View all] pnwmom Jun 2014 OP

So did all those army scumbags that have been talking about Bergdahl mwrguy Jun 2014 #1

A lot depends on what the form says yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #16

The bigger issue is what was classified karynnj Jun 2014 #28

They may be in trouble then yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #63

They are disgusting, but this is not the same thing if they are speaking of their karynnj Jun 2014 #27

Of course he did.. but Ellsberg's quote makes Cha Jun 2014 #2

Funny thing about all those government forms... Historic NY Jun 2014 #103

I'd say...... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #3

I have heard he was a frequent user of blinders, tenting over his monitor, guess this should have Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #37

Whistleblowers do that. Helen Borg Jun 2014 #4

If he can't name one thing the NSA does that is illegal, what kind of whistleblowing is that? randome Jun 2014 #6

Nice try, pal. Helen Borg Jun 2014 #7

Words matter. Especially so in matters of illegality. randome Jun 2014 #8

Yawn billhicks76 Jun 2014 #14

Illegal, yep Snowden was illegal in disclosing anything to non authorized people. There are good Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #39

Missing The Point billhicks76 Jun 2014 #118

I have thought for a while this is an evil stunt or conspiracy, time will tell. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #120

"He broke a non-disclosure agreement with a criminal organization." YoungDemCA Jun 2014 #47

Too Broad billhicks76 Jun 2014 #119

"the rest of the country"??? karynnj Jun 2014 #31

If that's the only argument you've seen, you need to read more. Vattel Jun 2014 #123

Your response is nonsense. "65 Things We Know About NSA Surveillance That We Didn't Know a Year Ago" Hissyspit Jun 2014 #20

4. Legal when a foreign suspect contacts someone in America. Would you prefer we ignore it? randome Jun 2014 #22

"O.k. It's illegal. So stop doing it." Nice logic. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #23

Have you ever made a keystroke mistake? If you have then it would be counted as a part of the 2776 Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #40

It could even have been a stored procedure change with an invalid join. randome Jun 2014 #53

This would be a rogue employee and if discovered there would be actions taken. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #54

Eh. It could have been an inadvertent error. Maybe the table names are too close, who knows? randome Jun 2014 #58

Yes it could be an input error but I would like to know if the operator learned of any information Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #81

EXACTLY!!! Also if we ALREADY KNEW what was happening through PREVIOUS reports what the fuck was uponit7771 Jun 2014 #36

Snowden is obviously... nikto Jun 2014 #5

And Your Point Would Be - Snowden Will Always Be A Hero In My Eyes cantbeserious Jun 2014 #9

Hitler was also a hero to many. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #42

Comparing Snowden To Hitler Is A Non Sequitur cantbeserious Jun 2014 #65

Just point out being a hero to some does not make the person a good person or a hero. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #67

4 a.m.? Android3.14 Jun 2014 #10

And? Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #12

That fact does not change the fact he did the nation and the world a huge favor.......... Swede Atlanta Jun 2014 #11

Are you going to be unhappy when it may be your time to start your Social Security. You know they Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #43

In Russia the spy judges you. stonecutter357 Jun 2014 #13

And every government official takes an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States fasttense Jun 2014 #15

Actually, Snowden hasn't leaked any illegal programs. jeff47 Jun 2014 #24

Actually the Constitution does apply to non-US persons. fasttense Jun 2014 #71

US person is not US citizen. jeff47 Jun 2014 #100

The FISA law that allowed this passed first in August 2008 --- when did the Supreme Court karynnj Jun 2014 #32

The Fourth Amendmend allows for searches with a warrant, guess you do not think the Constitution is Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #44

Depends who owns the phone records -- and for decades it has been the phone companies karynnj Jun 2014 #73

Actually wiretapping has required a warrant for many years. Law enforcement has pull the Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #78

Collecting phone records is NOT the same as wiretapping the calls themselves karynnj Jun 2014 #86

onoes! the horror!! PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #17

Not true - and why he has been indicted karynnj Jun 2014 #33

uh, wrong PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #38

You are very wrong, it may not in the positions in which you have held but it is if you work for Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #45

Sorry, you are wrong PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #48

Have you heard about charges of espionage against Snowden? Have you heard he is "afraid" of Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #52

That is not what the thread is about PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #55

I did not bring up contract law. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #64

oh jeez, that is what the OP is about, non-disclosure agreement. PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #66

When the disclosure is a criminal offense then it carries penalties and or fines. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #72

has zero to do with a non-disclosure agreement. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #79

It may not matter to the non disclosures you are associated with but as you see it has made a Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #102

Eh? PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #104

Then why are you arguing the non disclosure does not make any difference. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #106

The NDA had ZERO to do with any espionage charges. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #107

What do you know about the non disclosure involving the NSA? Have you read it? If you Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #108

It could say anything anyone wants to put in it. PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #109

Does that mean it's okay if you stole national security documents and fled the country? randome Jun 2014 #110

ianal, but I know you can not prosecute based on an NDA breach. PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #112

that has nothing to do with NDA grasswire Jun 2014 #85

Are you an expert on every non disclosure? Apparently not. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #105

Not true for classified US information karynnj Jun 2014 #56

It does not matter PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #59

so what sdougreid Jun 2014 #18

What crime has Snowden exposed, at this point only his crime. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #46

People lie all the time to get jobs. bemildred Jun 2014 #19

Non-disclosure agreements are bullshit. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #21

So we should be concerned that they are threatening to enforce the law? jeff47 Jun 2014 #25

Um, yeah. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #121

So ignoring the law here is good jeff47 Jun 2014 #122

Would you want your bank, credit card, medical, communications provider to release your information? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #49

No. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #111

+100000000 woo me with science Jun 2014 #98

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OMG - the Holocaust is equivalent to the government having my phone records!!! karynnj Jun 2014 #35

It has to do with promises by government employees to maintain silence Trajan Jun 2014 #57

You are the one in the Godwin nonsense karynnj Jun 2014 #62

You're the one who entered the "Godwin Nonsense" into the freaking snowden Cha Jun 2014 #130

Oh, bull. Despicable here is pretending a non-disclosure agreement outranks the Constitution. woo me with science Jun 2014 #61

Your interpretation of the Constitution obviously differs from that of the Supreme Court karynnj Jun 2014 #68

Argle blargle. woo me with science Jun 2014 #74

This thread is obviously in answer to the Ellsberg one karynnj Jun 2014 #84

"Where there should be a debate is on..." woo me with science Jun 2014 #91

Given that you call an obvious DU thread "hypothetical" karynnj Jun 2014 #99

"third way verbiage thrown at anyone who is not a libertarian on this issue..." woo me with science Jun 2014 #114

Parse it anyway you want -have fun twisting things to your heart's content karynnj Jun 2014 #116

I agree. grasswire Jun 2014 #95

Disgusting false equivalence. Revolting minimization of the Holocaust. riqster Jun 2014 #51

The forest for the trees Trajan Jun 2014 #60

Maybe I'd have known that if you had written a more precise post. riqster Jun 2014 #69

Nothing was revolting here except the attempt to divert from the very lucid point made woo me with science Jun 2014 #82

Had it been lucid, there would not have been multiple objections, riqster Jun 2014 #88

Multiple objections, as in two... woo me with science Jun 2014 #96

Here is what I have learned after several decades addressing audiences: riqster Jun 2014 #115

Note that that poster's post was hidden - because it was an outrageous equivalence karynnj Jun 2014 #89

Many posts are wrongly hidden. woo me with science Jun 2014 #94

What "unconscionable acts" has the government made legal? karynnj Jun 2014 #101

Bwah. woo me with science Jun 2014 #117

Ohz, noes! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #29

He also swore to uphold the Constitution. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #30

The Constitution in which nation, it sure isn't the US Constitution. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #50

The Constitution of Fredonia. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #80

Thought so, here in the US we use the US Constitution. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #83

Whooosh! Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #87

yeah, I had to giggle at that one! nt grasswire Jun 2014 #128

Halliburton gives out NDA's by the bucketfuls too. And for the same reasons too... Pholus Jun 2014 #34

^^ this. nt TBF Jun 2014 #77

I signed an NDA with an Election Software vendor back in 2004. riqster Jun 2014 #41

I will ask you the same thing I asked the person with the Ellsburg op. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #70

Of course he did - TBF Jun 2014 #75

breaking an NDA as a contractor is not a war crime. grasswire Jun 2014 #93

Nope - what I said flat out is that he'll be in jail TBF Jun 2014 #113

I agree to not to snitch on our government if and when they do something wrong. Nice. L0oniX Jun 2014 #76

Okay attorneys, and those that play them on the internutz ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #90

So did 99% of the people to get their current job...NDA's joeybee12 Jun 2014 #92

And remember that your signed NDA trumps any type of US Constitutional Oath you vow nolabels Jun 2014 #134

Of course he did. MADem Jun 2014 #97

Gotta wonder what's up with Ellsberg whom I used to respect but do Cha Jun 2014 #131

He is an old man who was operating under very different rules. MADem Jun 2014 #132

Thank you for that info, MADem.. so much different than Cha Jun 2014 #133

So sue him brentspeak Jun 2014 #124

When other people are spreading lies, I prefer not to shut up. pnwmom Jun 2014 #125

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #126

I get it. When in doubt, resort to a personal attack. n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #127

There are no words I can possibly put together to properly express my complete befuddlement at TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #129