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moriah

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Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:50 PM Jun 2014

Can we stop with attributing every atrocity to mental illness? [View all]

The psychopathology of serial killers like Ted Bundy is fascinating. Apparently he was abused as a child, had an extremely screwed up home life, and may have been "off" from the start. He fixated on one particular girl when he was in college and dated her briefly, but she rejected him -- until his final sorority house rampage and abduction of the young girl, his victims all had a "type" -- they looked like the girl who rejected him. Yeah, he was screwed up in the head, but not the screwed up in the head that can be treated by medication. Andrea Yates, on the other hand, was an example of someone who was psychotic when they killed. While I personally think that her doctor made a huge mistake when he took her off of Haldol, despite her previous medication noncompliance she was actually medicated at the time of the killings. Just not with the right drugs.

It's natural human instinct to wonder what can drive someone to take another human life. But as much as we want to say conspiracy theorists are nuts and clinically paranoid, the most they've got diagnosable is a personality disorder without actual delusions, same as Ted Bundy (just a different one).

And there are a LOT of people with tinfoil hats out there. I know preppers. I know a guy who wasted a ton of money buying precious metals before Y2K, another who is doing BitCoin mining and buying silver bars to have as a backup currency. Both are functional in society. I was told by very good friends when the SARS scare was about that if TSHTF I had better already be on their 80-acre property or they'd throw food and blankets over the gate but wouldn't let me in until I had finished a quarantine period. That family owns two businesses, both have been quite successful. None of these people would hurt anyone unless they saw it as self-defense (though if you come after them, they are all armed, even if the Y2K precious metals dude would have a harder time getting to his bear rifle than the others and would likely practice the art of Cane-Fu in self-defense instead... he's over 70 and a polio survivor).

What happened in Vegas was a hate crime against the police, pure and simple. Not the result of mental illness, even if they may have had more than their fair share of hate to go around.

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Interesting thing about Ted Bundy JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #1
The question I would follow up with is... madinmaryland Jun 2014 #5
I'd ask Bin Laden or McVeigh JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #8
c'mon now, that is the legal definition Schema Thing Jun 2014 #12
Great way to put it. And if you think you're 100% "normal".... moriah Jun 2014 #16
The entire teaparty could be described as mentally ill, any righty with less than randys1 Jun 2014 #26
Bring back the mental hospitals FrodosPet Jun 2014 #30
The guy was paranoid. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #2
So where do we draw the "paranoid" line? moriah Jun 2014 #15
drones, chemtrails, govt out to get Bundy, etc.... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #18
Yeah, but there are many people out there who believe in kooktrails and drones. moriah Jun 2014 #20
Its no less a mental health issue than a gun owner issue. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #21
Batshit crazy. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #3
it was terrorism - guns are to blame as well samsingh Jun 2014 #4
This I like JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #6
Not sure - weren't they meth heads as well? malaise Jun 2014 #7
I couldnt tell from their pictures JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #9
I think the meth was just a neighbor's guess starroute Jun 2014 #10
Rachel's guest just said he had a ganja arrest malaise Jun 2014 #11
what a great OP. thanks. cali Jun 2014 #13
Almost tautologically, every mass killer is mentally ill. BlueCheese Jun 2014 #14
Most aren't mentally ill to the point they are not responsible for their actions, though. moriah Jun 2014 #17
exactly. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #19
This is what I think too panader0 Jun 2014 #22
"That's pretty fucked up" is not always equal to a mental illness NightWatcher Jun 2014 #23
That's pretty much exactly it, except much shorter. Thank you! moriah Jun 2014 #24
I've become blessed with bluntness NightWatcher Jun 2014 #25
Thank you. n/t Jamastiene Jun 2014 #29
K&R Most mentally ill people are NOT violent and never would hurt anyone. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #27
I do think some of these killers gwheezie Jun 2014 #28
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