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The Velveteen Ocelot

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120. Good point; Vermeer did interiors, not landscapes

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 08:57 PM

Jun 2014

except for those you mentioned. Still, Kinkade could have discerned at least the basic notion that no matter what your subject matter is, you have to know what the light source is and the shadows have to line up.

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drunken downfall of beloved artist thomas kinkade [View all] Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 OP

Beloved? WTF? tularetom Jun 2014 #1

millions love his paintings Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #6

Millions vote Republican too. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #9

... Marr Jun 2014 #36

Well they have no taste. alarimer Jun 2014 #49

And "artist"? KamaAina Jun 2014 #39

Really? Post yours! nt Logical Jun 2014 #195

Fair enough. KamaAina Jun 2014 #200

LOL, ok! Nt Logical Jun 2014 #202

simple. Highly skilled commercial illustration vs "serious art." librechik Jun 2014 #204

they've been known to cause constipation in birds. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #45

haha�. dhill926 Jun 2014 #65

Duzy roody Jun 2014 #154

I love the DU art, food, movie, etc critics. A bunch of whiners! nt Logical Jun 2014 #196

I have a very low opinion of his work. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #2

article says he was saddened by the widespread derision of his work Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #5

His work wouldn't have been derided The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #13

well, yeah! Why did he even do it if he didn't expect some critical examination of his work? CTyankee Jun 2014 #50

Or develop his business model of having prints of the original Warpy Jun 2014 #53

Every successful person's work is derided to some ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2014 #28

Oh, baloney!!! pipi_k Jun 2014 #135

Well aren't you the art critic! nt Logical Jun 2014 #197

lol ... The "Yum" cartoon bubble. 1000words Jun 2014 #3

Yum! is the corporation that owns Taco Bell, KFC, Pizza Hut mudy waters Jun 2014 #160

Art + Kincade = oxymoron Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #4

his later, Star Wars stuff was genius NightWatcher Jun 2014 #7

hiis cottages are always waaay too close to river Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #8

Darth Vader takes out one damn and all the Ewoks would wash away NightWatcher Jun 2014 #10

Duzy!! dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #25

Now that is pic I want!!! Ilsa Jun 2014 #31

I cant believe you havent seen these NightWatcher Jun 2014 #42

I don't get around the internet much. ;) nt Ilsa Jun 2014 #55

Next, there are these cats that want cheeseburgers... NightWatcher Jun 2014 #56

lol m-lekktor Jun 2014 #43

He had decent technical skills, but his paintings are sentimental dreck. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #11

Oh no you didn't talk shit about Precious Moments NightWatcher Jun 2014 #14

I *am* an old lady. Bring 'em on. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #18

gawd that's ugly! oiy!!! Whisp Jun 2014 #21

Oh, yeah. Keane was even worse than Kinkade. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #27

I got a doll for Christmas once patterned after one of those dolls. nolabear Jun 2014 #30

They look like Gray Aliens, Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #128

Keane is an influence on a certain segment of the... GReedDiamond Jun 2014 #138

Now THAT's a tribute! annabanana Jun 2014 #153

Yuck on all of those. Ewwww... Owl Jun 2014 #172

Oh shit! Aliens are real and walking amongst Ilsa Jun 2014 #33

Not sure if you know edhopper Jun 2014 #62

Yes, Margaret Keane. That fact came out some years ago. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #64

True edhopper Jun 2014 #69

Ahh, another DU expert! LOL! nt Logical Jun 2014 #198

So, what level of expertise would you require The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #205

One would only have to read your critique edhopper Jun 2014 #207

Why are you whining? I said you were an expert! nt Logical Jun 2014 #208

Right. "LOL" The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #210

His and Boris Vallejo's works seem to be the precise same branding overlaid onto two distinctly diff LanternWaste Jun 2014 #12

googled boris vallejo. omg. would be less embarrassed to display kinkaid art. Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #17

One might. Another might not. To me, they're both hacks. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #24

Man, that's kinky. nt Ilsa Jun 2014 #34

Vallejo's a sci-fi/fantasy artist, so I'd cut him some slack MrScorpio Jun 2014 #59

I remember as a teenager in the early 70s... GReedDiamond Jun 2014 #139

Always saddened to hear when anyone falls victim to their personal demons . . . Journeyman Jun 2014 #15

Lots of snide derision for him in this thread, but I will say this: Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #16

tech skillls were fab elehhhhna Jun 2014 #26

I really doubt this is the art he wanted to make edhopper Jun 2014 #63

What is the appropriate level of success to still be considered "art" joeglow3 Jun 2014 #163

I know a number of very successful artist edhopper Jun 2014 #166

And that mentality is why 50% of college art projects involve piss or shit joeglow3 Jun 2014 #169

I don't either edhopper Jun 2014 #170

Art is.......well, art. joeglow3 Jun 2014 #173

I'm not saying his work isn't art. edhopper Jun 2014 #174

I don't like his art, as it is not my cup of tea. joeglow3 Jun 2014 #175

True edhopper Jun 2014 #184

I do enjoy Terry Redlin, but I am sure most cosider his crap as well. joeglow3 Jun 2014 #186

Well it is certainly edhopper Jun 2014 #189

Yes, and, in the franchised Kincade Galleries, they would show you how... GReedDiamond Jun 2014 #141

I do not consider his stuff "art." CTyankee Jun 2014 #35

Completely untrained and it really shows... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #60

Why don't you read this ny times article before you jump to judgment here... CTyankee Jun 2014 #68

I don't need to read a marketing blurb to recognize artistic merit... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #74

well, I guess she has no talent because she is "untrained" or "unschooled." CTyankee Jun 2014 #88

I am not trying to be mean. Let me be clear... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #145

I was responding to your remark about how her art was out of elementary school...your point not mine CTyankee Jun 2014 #147

Also, it is balanced and has movement. snpsmom Jun 2014 #203

And his stuff is dishonest...that makes me angrier than anything else about him... CTyankee Jun 2014 #206

I don't even see why we are comparing the too edhopper Jun 2014 #209

I think you have little knowledge of what art is, judging by what you have said so far. kwassa Jun 2014 #131

Yeah, but really that's all nonsense... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #144

No, it's not nonsense. Tansy_Gold Jun 2014 #179

Great response, and I mostly agree, but would add... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #182

Could you post an old master edhopper Jun 2014 #187

here CTyankee Jun 2014 #78

Hunter's painting, although primitive, has movement and life. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #97

Oh, key-rist thank you! CTyankee Jun 2014 #99

Art degree from "Can You Draw Sparky" matchbook school of art? REP Jun 2014 #98

Are you talking about Hunter? CTyankee Jun 2014 #100

Nope. REP Jun 2014 #107

OK, thanks...I am relieved... I was ready to despair completely...thank you... CTyankee Jun 2014 #113

Outsider has replaced Primitive and Na�ve last I heard ... REP Jun 2014 #118

well, good, that takes care of the "Primitive" label of shame...I like it... CTyankee Jun 2014 #119

Kinda sad you felt you had to go there. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #146

It's good work. rrneck Jun 2014 #142

Exactly. Raine1967 Jun 2014 #137

Thank you. I have one of 840high Jun 2014 #101

The DU is always full of make-believe experts That love to criticize people. Logical Jun 2014 #199

Was never a fan but have nothing bad to say about the guy. dilby Jun 2014 #19

I kind of hate to wde into this but I don't cali Jun 2014 #47

Great art has vision, and skill. flying rabbit Jun 2014 #58

Hello! And thank you! CTyankee Jun 2014 #93

I agree; he had nothing to say. Real art has an idea behind it. CTyankee Jun 2014 #168

I'm with you- a waste of good canvas. cali Jun 2014 #171

Jigsaw Puzzle Painting. Whisp Jun 2014 #20

Is fraudster now a synonym for artist? KG Jun 2014 #22

Is internet access an art critic's license? CBGLuthier Jun 2014 #29

The fraud comment has to do with Kinkade's business practices The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #38

The so-called "production method" is not an entirely new phenomenon... CTyankee Jun 2014 #52

I could never figure out what folks saw in his stuff... CTyankee Jun 2014 #23

Rockwell was an illustrator edhopper Jun 2014 #67

I am in the process of preparing a little art essay to put on GD about Rockwell... CTyankee Jun 2014 #75

His art would fit in very well edhopper Jun 2014 #81

well, let's just put it down to that and be done with it... CTyankee Jun 2014 #91

A truly great artist edhopper Jun 2014 #94

Yeah, I'm still on the fence with Rockwell...part of me wants to love him but part of me hates CTyankee Jun 2014 #96

I can tell you he edhopper Jun 2014 #106

I used to dislike Rockwell because of the sentimental subject matter. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #117

Rockwell is mostly weak stuff. kwassa Jun 2014 #176

Better than Kinkade, though. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #177

much better than Kinkade kwassa Jun 2014 #180

I disagree with you about his technique edhopper Jun 2014 #185

I like Edward Hopper much better, edhopper. kwassa Jun 2014 #211

Well Hopper edhopper Jun 2014 #212

I felt he was maudlin and cheesy until I saw an exhibit that included his civil rights work sweetloukillbot Jun 2014 #143

This? Tansy_Gold Jun 2014 #183

The second one - and there was another in a similar vein sweetloukillbot Jun 2014 #193

Kinkade *should* have studied Vermeer, who was a true painter of light. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #105

Kinkade and Vermeer? Really? CTyankee Jun 2014 #109

That's my point. If Kinkade had seriously studied the way Vermeer handled light The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #114

Kinkaid was a broccoli painter. glinda Jun 2014 #178

He probably did edhopper Jun 2014 #111

Vermeer did not do what Kinkade purports to do....in fact Vermeer has only two paintings that CTyankee Jun 2014 #116

Good point; Vermeer did interiors, not landscapes The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #120

but I think he fails at that...don't you? CTyankee Jun 2014 #122

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but yes, there should be some basic understanding The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #123

I think both...he didn't care that much because he was painting for a specific audience he knew CTyankee Jun 2014 #126

True edhopper Jun 2014 #121

He's wearing a skull ring and an iron cross ring. WTF? factsarenotfair Jun 2014 #32

I also like his paintings. Owl Jun 2014 #54

Cool! factsarenotfair Jun 2014 #90

..... 840high Jun 2014 #102

I could only wish to paint as well. Xyzse Jun 2014 #37

Many hacks have skill. Why are there never people in his decorations? I consider his paintings Lint Head Jun 2014 #40

If I had a time machine I'd send Kinkade back to mentor a young Adolph Hitler. hunter Jun 2014 #41

lol genius comment. cali Jun 2014 #48

He was a genius at shaking the money tree. nt Raine Jun 2014 #44

I was dating the daughter of a Kincaide collector. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #46

old news Rider3 Jun 2014 #51

I was going to ask the same thing. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #57

New article edhopper Jun 2014 #72

Kinkade was a master at painting LIGHT... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #61

He didn't paint light as seen by any human eye in any form. cali Jun 2014 #66

Michelangelo was Michelangelo, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #70

He copied the lighted cabin stuff from John Stobart edhopper Jun 2014 #86

He just called himself that edhopper Jun 2014 #71

I am talking about his use of color to simulate illumination... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #76

I disagree edhopper Jun 2014 #80

Fair enough :) nt Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #84

Since all that human beings see is light, this covers every painter who every lived. kwassa Jun 2014 #79

It's not that simple... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #83

No he did not edhopper Jun 2014 #92

While the educated elite swoons over... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #158

Apples and oranges edhopper Jun 2014 #161

You can't be serious. Kinkade is a terrible "artist". kwassa Jun 2014 #129

Three of my favorite artists. edhopper Jun 2014 #134

Another great painter TuxedoKat Jun 2014 #140

interesting artist! I missed his works when I was in the Prado in 2008... CTyankee Jun 2014 #148

Yes they were contemporaries edhopper Jun 2014 #149

lovely stuff...I need to plan a trip into Manhattan soon! CTyankee Jun 2014 #150

FYI TuxedoKat Jun 2014 #156

Here's what I do: I see a pic, right click and click on "save image location" and it will appear CTyankee Jun 2014 #162

Thanks! TuxedoKat Jun 2014 #164

I think my sequencing is correct...I am very forgetful recently...it seems like I have to CTyankee Jun 2014 #165

Easier than that edhopper Jun 2014 #167

Stunning, but they suffer a serious lack of... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #157

Look closely at the painting in the OP. The light is all wrong. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #103

You forgot the dappled sunlight that occurs at midday edhopper Jun 2014 #108

Oh, that must be it. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #124

You're right. The light is totally wrong, mixing different times of day in the same painting. kwassa Jun 2014 #133

Very much about "it's five o'clock somewhere" Blue Owl Jun 2014 #136

Sentimental paint-by-numbers schlock IMHO LiberalElite Jun 2014 #73

More like edhopper Jun 2014 #82

Laughing at "ritual territorial urination". I'm sorry, that's just fucking funny. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #77

The COLORS !!! AHHHHHH!!!! janlyn Jun 2014 #85

The painting in the Op is lovely. Owl Jun 2014 #87

I wonder how many of 840high Jun 2014 #104

I personally know a great many artist that edhopper Jun 2014 #110

Well good for you. I was asking about 840high Jun 2014 #112

I can paint edhopper Jun 2014 #115

I can paint better, too. kwassa Jun 2014 #132

isn't he more of a business person than artist ? JI7 Jun 2014 #89

Yes edhopper Jun 2014 #95

Last I heard he didn't paint his "paintings." nolabear Jun 2014 #125

there's a few of his (wife's) paintings i like NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #127

He's been dead for awhile. He got very boozy/pill-ish at the end, and gained a massive amount of MADem Jun 2014 #130

Kincade was the Kenny G of the art world Shadowflash Jun 2014 #151

We don't look at him as an artist JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #152

Simple for simple...god didnt help him with his alcoholism, hmmm...wonder why randys1 Jun 2014 #155

Kinkade was a right wing bigot theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #159

Prior to his death he was involved in a domestic disturbance of some sort kskiska Jun 2014 #181

now, that's funny...hee, hee CTyankee Jun 2014 #188

EDWARD HOPPER was the ultimate modern-day "Painter of Light". NCarolinawoman Jun 2014 #190

Can't say I love his art, but he certainly can draw better than me WI_DEM Jun 2014 #191

Great - an art snobbery thread Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #192

"6-foot, 254-pound Kinkade as mildly obese" Javaman Jun 2014 #194

why are we debating this in 2014, two years after he died? (nt) question everything Jun 2014 #201