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nolabear

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125. Last I heard he didn't paint his "paintings."

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:12 PM

Jun 2014

There was a huge scandal about it. I never heard it debunked, and here's one of many articles about it.

http://beforeitsnews.com/arts/2012/05/thomas-kinkade-art-scandal-continues-to-unfold-2170107.html

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drunken downfall of beloved artist thomas kinkade [View all] Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 OP

Beloved? WTF? tularetom Jun 2014 #1

millions love his paintings Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #6

Millions vote Republican too. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #9

... Marr Jun 2014 #36

Well they have no taste. alarimer Jun 2014 #49

And "artist"? KamaAina Jun 2014 #39

Really? Post yours! nt Logical Jun 2014 #195

Fair enough. KamaAina Jun 2014 #200

LOL, ok! Nt Logical Jun 2014 #202

simple. Highly skilled commercial illustration vs "serious art." librechik Jun 2014 #204

they've been known to cause constipation in birds. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #45

haha�. dhill926 Jun 2014 #65

Duzy roody Jun 2014 #154

I love the DU art, food, movie, etc critics. A bunch of whiners! nt Logical Jun 2014 #196

I have a very low opinion of his work. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #2

article says he was saddened by the widespread derision of his work Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #5

His work wouldn't have been derided The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #13

well, yeah! Why did he even do it if he didn't expect some critical examination of his work? CTyankee Jun 2014 #50

Or develop his business model of having prints of the original Warpy Jun 2014 #53

Every successful person's work is derided to some ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2014 #28

Oh, baloney!!! pipi_k Jun 2014 #135

Well aren't you the art critic! nt Logical Jun 2014 #197

lol ... The "Yum" cartoon bubble. 1000words Jun 2014 #3

Yum! is the corporation that owns Taco Bell, KFC, Pizza Hut mudy waters Jun 2014 #160

Art + Kincade = oxymoron Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #4

his later, Star Wars stuff was genius NightWatcher Jun 2014 #7

hiis cottages are always waaay too close to river Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #8

Darth Vader takes out one damn and all the Ewoks would wash away NightWatcher Jun 2014 #10

Duzy!! dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #25

Now that is pic I want!!! Ilsa Jun 2014 #31

I cant believe you havent seen these NightWatcher Jun 2014 #42

I don't get around the internet much. ;) nt Ilsa Jun 2014 #55

Next, there are these cats that want cheeseburgers... NightWatcher Jun 2014 #56

lol m-lekktor Jun 2014 #43

He had decent technical skills, but his paintings are sentimental dreck. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #11

Oh no you didn't talk shit about Precious Moments NightWatcher Jun 2014 #14

I *am* an old lady. Bring 'em on. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #18

gawd that's ugly! oiy!!! Whisp Jun 2014 #21

Oh, yeah. Keane was even worse than Kinkade. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #27

I got a doll for Christmas once patterned after one of those dolls. nolabear Jun 2014 #30

They look like Gray Aliens, Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #128

Keane is an influence on a certain segment of the... GReedDiamond Jun 2014 #138

Now THAT's a tribute! annabanana Jun 2014 #153

Yuck on all of those. Ewwww... Owl Jun 2014 #172

Oh shit! Aliens are real and walking amongst Ilsa Jun 2014 #33

Not sure if you know edhopper Jun 2014 #62

Yes, Margaret Keane. That fact came out some years ago. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #64

True edhopper Jun 2014 #69

Ahh, another DU expert! LOL! nt Logical Jun 2014 #198

So, what level of expertise would you require The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #205

One would only have to read your critique edhopper Jun 2014 #207

Why are you whining? I said you were an expert! nt Logical Jun 2014 #208

Right. "LOL" The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #210

His and Boris Vallejo's works seem to be the precise same branding overlaid onto two distinctly diff LanternWaste Jun 2014 #12

googled boris vallejo. omg. would be less embarrassed to display kinkaid art. Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #17

One might. Another might not. To me, they're both hacks. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #24

Man, that's kinky. nt Ilsa Jun 2014 #34

Vallejo's a sci-fi/fantasy artist, so I'd cut him some slack MrScorpio Jun 2014 #59

I remember as a teenager in the early 70s... GReedDiamond Jun 2014 #139

Always saddened to hear when anyone falls victim to their personal demons . . . Journeyman Jun 2014 #15

Lots of snide derision for him in this thread, but I will say this: Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #16

tech skillls were fab elehhhhna Jun 2014 #26

I really doubt this is the art he wanted to make edhopper Jun 2014 #63

What is the appropriate level of success to still be considered "art" joeglow3 Jun 2014 #163

I know a number of very successful artist edhopper Jun 2014 #166

And that mentality is why 50% of college art projects involve piss or shit joeglow3 Jun 2014 #169

I don't either edhopper Jun 2014 #170

Art is.......well, art. joeglow3 Jun 2014 #173

I'm not saying his work isn't art. edhopper Jun 2014 #174

I don't like his art, as it is not my cup of tea. joeglow3 Jun 2014 #175

True edhopper Jun 2014 #184

I do enjoy Terry Redlin, but I am sure most cosider his crap as well. joeglow3 Jun 2014 #186

Well it is certainly edhopper Jun 2014 #189

Yes, and, in the franchised Kincade Galleries, they would show you how... GReedDiamond Jun 2014 #141

I do not consider his stuff "art." CTyankee Jun 2014 #35

Completely untrained and it really shows... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #60

Why don't you read this ny times article before you jump to judgment here... CTyankee Jun 2014 #68

I don't need to read a marketing blurb to recognize artistic merit... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #74

well, I guess she has no talent because she is "untrained" or "unschooled." CTyankee Jun 2014 #88

I am not trying to be mean. Let me be clear... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #145

I was responding to your remark about how her art was out of elementary school...your point not mine CTyankee Jun 2014 #147

Also, it is balanced and has movement. snpsmom Jun 2014 #203

And his stuff is dishonest...that makes me angrier than anything else about him... CTyankee Jun 2014 #206

I don't even see why we are comparing the too edhopper Jun 2014 #209

I think you have little knowledge of what art is, judging by what you have said so far. kwassa Jun 2014 #131

Yeah, but really that's all nonsense... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #144

No, it's not nonsense. Tansy_Gold Jun 2014 #179

Great response, and I mostly agree, but would add... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #182

Could you post an old master edhopper Jun 2014 #187

here CTyankee Jun 2014 #78

Hunter's painting, although primitive, has movement and life. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #97

Oh, key-rist thank you! CTyankee Jun 2014 #99

Art degree from "Can You Draw Sparky" matchbook school of art? REP Jun 2014 #98

Are you talking about Hunter? CTyankee Jun 2014 #100

Nope. REP Jun 2014 #107

OK, thanks...I am relieved... I was ready to despair completely...thank you... CTyankee Jun 2014 #113

Outsider has replaced Primitive and Na�ve last I heard ... REP Jun 2014 #118

well, good, that takes care of the "Primitive" label of shame...I like it... CTyankee Jun 2014 #119

Kinda sad you felt you had to go there. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #146

It's good work. rrneck Jun 2014 #142

Exactly. Raine1967 Jun 2014 #137

Thank you. I have one of 840high Jun 2014 #101

The DU is always full of make-believe experts That love to criticize people. Logical Jun 2014 #199

Was never a fan but have nothing bad to say about the guy. dilby Jun 2014 #19

I kind of hate to wde into this but I don't cali Jun 2014 #47

Great art has vision, and skill. flying rabbit Jun 2014 #58

Hello! And thank you! CTyankee Jun 2014 #93

I agree; he had nothing to say. Real art has an idea behind it. CTyankee Jun 2014 #168

I'm with you- a waste of good canvas. cali Jun 2014 #171

Jigsaw Puzzle Painting. Whisp Jun 2014 #20

Is fraudster now a synonym for artist? KG Jun 2014 #22

Is internet access an art critic's license? CBGLuthier Jun 2014 #29

The fraud comment has to do with Kinkade's business practices The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #38

The so-called "production method" is not an entirely new phenomenon... CTyankee Jun 2014 #52

I could never figure out what folks saw in his stuff... CTyankee Jun 2014 #23

Rockwell was an illustrator edhopper Jun 2014 #67

I am in the process of preparing a little art essay to put on GD about Rockwell... CTyankee Jun 2014 #75

His art would fit in very well edhopper Jun 2014 #81

well, let's just put it down to that and be done with it... CTyankee Jun 2014 #91

A truly great artist edhopper Jun 2014 #94

Yeah, I'm still on the fence with Rockwell...part of me wants to love him but part of me hates CTyankee Jun 2014 #96

I can tell you he edhopper Jun 2014 #106

I used to dislike Rockwell because of the sentimental subject matter. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #117

Rockwell is mostly weak stuff. kwassa Jun 2014 #176

Better than Kinkade, though. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #177

much better than Kinkade kwassa Jun 2014 #180

I disagree with you about his technique edhopper Jun 2014 #185

I like Edward Hopper much better, edhopper. kwassa Jun 2014 #211

Well Hopper edhopper Jun 2014 #212

I felt he was maudlin and cheesy until I saw an exhibit that included his civil rights work sweetloukillbot Jun 2014 #143

This? Tansy_Gold Jun 2014 #183

The second one - and there was another in a similar vein sweetloukillbot Jun 2014 #193

Kinkade *should* have studied Vermeer, who was a true painter of light. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #105

Kinkade and Vermeer? Really? CTyankee Jun 2014 #109

That's my point. If Kinkade had seriously studied the way Vermeer handled light The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #114

Kinkaid was a broccoli painter. glinda Jun 2014 #178

He probably did edhopper Jun 2014 #111

Vermeer did not do what Kinkade purports to do....in fact Vermeer has only two paintings that CTyankee Jun 2014 #116

Good point; Vermeer did interiors, not landscapes The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #120

but I think he fails at that...don't you? CTyankee Jun 2014 #122

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but yes, there should be some basic understanding The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #123

I think both...he didn't care that much because he was painting for a specific audience he knew CTyankee Jun 2014 #126

True edhopper Jun 2014 #121

He's wearing a skull ring and an iron cross ring. WTF? factsarenotfair Jun 2014 #32

I also like his paintings. Owl Jun 2014 #54

Cool! factsarenotfair Jun 2014 #90

..... 840high Jun 2014 #102

I could only wish to paint as well. Xyzse Jun 2014 #37

Many hacks have skill. Why are there never people in his decorations? I consider his paintings Lint Head Jun 2014 #40

If I had a time machine I'd send Kinkade back to mentor a young Adolph Hitler. hunter Jun 2014 #41

lol genius comment. cali Jun 2014 #48

He was a genius at shaking the money tree. nt Raine Jun 2014 #44

I was dating the daughter of a Kincaide collector. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #46

old news Rider3 Jun 2014 #51

I was going to ask the same thing. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #57

New article edhopper Jun 2014 #72

Kinkade was a master at painting LIGHT... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #61

He didn't paint light as seen by any human eye in any form. cali Jun 2014 #66

Michelangelo was Michelangelo, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #70

He copied the lighted cabin stuff from John Stobart edhopper Jun 2014 #86

He just called himself that edhopper Jun 2014 #71

I am talking about his use of color to simulate illumination... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #76

I disagree edhopper Jun 2014 #80

Fair enough :) nt Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #84

Since all that human beings see is light, this covers every painter who every lived. kwassa Jun 2014 #79

It's not that simple... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #83

No he did not edhopper Jun 2014 #92

While the educated elite swoons over... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #158

Apples and oranges edhopper Jun 2014 #161

You can't be serious. Kinkade is a terrible "artist". kwassa Jun 2014 #129

Three of my favorite artists. edhopper Jun 2014 #134

Another great painter TuxedoKat Jun 2014 #140

interesting artist! I missed his works when I was in the Prado in 2008... CTyankee Jun 2014 #148

Yes they were contemporaries edhopper Jun 2014 #149

lovely stuff...I need to plan a trip into Manhattan soon! CTyankee Jun 2014 #150

FYI TuxedoKat Jun 2014 #156

Here's what I do: I see a pic, right click and click on "save image location" and it will appear CTyankee Jun 2014 #162

Thanks! TuxedoKat Jun 2014 #164

I think my sequencing is correct...I am very forgetful recently...it seems like I have to CTyankee Jun 2014 #165

Easier than that edhopper Jun 2014 #167

Stunning, but they suffer a serious lack of... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #157

Look closely at the painting in the OP. The light is all wrong. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #103

You forgot the dappled sunlight that occurs at midday edhopper Jun 2014 #108

Oh, that must be it. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #124

You're right. The light is totally wrong, mixing different times of day in the same painting. kwassa Jun 2014 #133

Very much about "it's five o'clock somewhere" Blue Owl Jun 2014 #136

Sentimental paint-by-numbers schlock IMHO LiberalElite Jun 2014 #73

More like edhopper Jun 2014 #82

Laughing at "ritual territorial urination". I'm sorry, that's just fucking funny. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #77

The COLORS !!! AHHHHHH!!!! janlyn Jun 2014 #85

The painting in the Op is lovely. Owl Jun 2014 #87

I wonder how many of 840high Jun 2014 #104

I personally know a great many artist that edhopper Jun 2014 #110

Well good for you. I was asking about 840high Jun 2014 #112

I can paint edhopper Jun 2014 #115

I can paint better, too. kwassa Jun 2014 #132

isn't he more of a business person than artist ? JI7 Jun 2014 #89

Yes edhopper Jun 2014 #95

Last I heard he didn't paint his "paintings." nolabear Jun 2014 #125

there's a few of his (wife's) paintings i like NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #127

He's been dead for awhile. He got very boozy/pill-ish at the end, and gained a massive amount of MADem Jun 2014 #130

Kincade was the Kenny G of the art world Shadowflash Jun 2014 #151

We don't look at him as an artist JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #152

Simple for simple...god didnt help him with his alcoholism, hmmm...wonder why randys1 Jun 2014 #155

Kinkade was a right wing bigot theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #159

Prior to his death he was involved in a domestic disturbance of some sort kskiska Jun 2014 #181

now, that's funny...hee, hee CTyankee Jun 2014 #188

EDWARD HOPPER was the ultimate modern-day "Painter of Light". NCarolinawoman Jun 2014 #190

Can't say I love his art, but he certainly can draw better than me WI_DEM Jun 2014 #191

Great - an art snobbery thread Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #192

"6-foot, 254-pound Kinkade as mildly obese" Javaman Jun 2014 #194

why are we debating this in 2014, two years after he died? (nt) question everything Jun 2014 #201