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jtuck004

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60. 3. Schools That Educate for Compliance and Not for Democracy. <- A LOT flows from this one
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jun 2014


Upon accepting the New York City Teacher of the Year Award on January 31, 1990, John Taylor Gatto upset many in attendance by stating: “The truth is that schools don’t really teach anything except how to obey orders. This is a great mystery to me because thousands of humane, caring people work in schools as teachers and aides and administrators, but the abstract logic of the institution overwhelms their individual contributions.” A generation ago, the problem of compulsory schooling as a vehicle for an authoritarian society was widely discussed, but as this problem has gotten worse, it is seldom discussed.

The nature of most classrooms, regardless of the subject matter, socializes students to be passive and directed by others, to follow orders, to take seriously the rewards and punishments of authorities, to pretend to care about things they don’t care about, and that they are impotent to affect their situation. A teacher can lecture about democracy, but schools are essentially undemocratic places, and so democracy is not what is instilled in students. Jonathan Kozol in The Night Is Dark and I Am Far from Home focused on how school breaks us from courageous actions. Kozol explains how our schools teach us a kind of “inert concern” in which “caring”—in and of itself and without risking the consequences of actual action—is considered “ethical.” School teaches us that we are “moral and mature” if we politely assert our concerns, but the essence of school—its demand for compliance—teaches us not to act in a friction-causing manner.


In the Boston Public Schools Kozol relates in one of his books when he was told about the switches of wood kept in vinegar in the closet - "Because "their" skins are tougher, you know".

Beloved teachers. The switches are gone, replaced by handcuffs.

K, R, & bookmarking! Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #1
k/r 840high Jun 2014 #2
K & R & Bookmarkng !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #3
Great site pscot Jun 2014 #4
the revolution will not be....texted nt msongs Jun 2014 #5
You Will Believe. You Will Obey. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #6
K&R. . . Journeyman Jun 2014 #7
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #8
Thank you. oldandhappy Jun 2014 #9
Yes, and their parents were taught to fear everything Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2014 #17
Kicking. nt littlemissmartypants Jun 2014 #10
I have noticed they're more obedient. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #11
So which war did your generation help perpetuate? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #13
Vietnam and The Generation Gap was going on during my Wonder Years. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #18
Tell me again how my generation's more obedient? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #19
We PROTESTED against all that. We didn't CAUSE it. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #20
Well, your generation did both. Much like my generation and the "War on Terror." Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #21
Not really. Back during the 60s and 70s a typical job paid better.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #22
So let me get this straight, you are trying to argue that my generation is too focused on money... Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #25
You seem to be on this kick that EVERYONE in America bought into the Cold War. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #29
Bought into it? You and your fellow tax payers were one of its chief financiers. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #31
Have either of you noticed how divisive this generational argument is????? elzenmahn Jun 2014 #34
My point is to show how the divisiveness demonstrates sameness. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #37
Uh huh,...the Teabaggers are rebelling against conservatives for not being conservative enough. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #36
even on DU if young people try to voice opinions/experiences/concerns they are shouted down Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #12
Agree lovemydog Jun 2014 #24
We want to listen to you as well. The point is for everyone to listen and learn. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #26
Heh, hehe, I know lovemydog Jun 2014 #30
Thank you and keep reading this thread for the other replies to my post. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #53
Agesism goes both directions. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #40
+1 again. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #48
Truth is climate change is the big equalizer world wide - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #49
So very true. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #65
I don't agree with this blanket assertion. I DO know that, at 64, I will take issue with any poster WinkyDink Jun 2014 #51
That is your option and your experience on this website. I have seen differently. Especially in Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #52
This is a bit depressing. I hope it hasn't gone that far, but fear it has. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #14
K & R defacto7 Jun 2014 #15
Look in history... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #33
"Oppositional defiant disorder"---otherwise known as Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2014 #16
My father told me this years ago IkeRepublican Jun 2014 #23
Minus the bit on electronics, all of that could be said about any generation. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jun 2014 #28
I read that in the bible... defacto7 Jun 2014 #35
I would add one more item to their list... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #32
+1 woo me with science Jun 2014 #54
An excellent response. CrispyQ Jun 2014 #57
I just blame everything on Reagan BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #38
One may think that's being facetious . . . HughBeaumont Jun 2014 #45
I'm rather serious BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #62
As soon as I got to item #2, hedgehog Jun 2014 #39
What about the media? News reporting is skewed newfie11 Jun 2014 #41
du rec. xchrom Jun 2014 #42
Don't forget the efforts to reduce and remove all normal levels of violence from childhood... Antler Jun 2014 #43
#3 is spot on . . . . HughBeaumont Jun 2014 #44
Personally Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #46
They are outnumbered. AngryAmish Jun 2014 #47
I think it's simply that there is no Draft, and the young are indoctrinated to seek wealth and fame. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #50
Take the word "young" out of the headline, then read the whole thing again. enough Jun 2014 #55
Agree entirely and I will be 70 my next birthday. LongTomH Jun 2014 #64
Excellent article. CrispyQ Jun 2014 #56
I think this is dead on. Their spirit is broken Doctor_J Jun 2014 #58
Heh Doctor_J Jun 2014 #59
3. Schools That Educate for Compliance and Not for Democracy. <- A LOT flows from this one jtuck004 Jun 2014 #60
K&R! G_j Jun 2014 #61
I'm kinda ambivalent about the OP gwheezie Jun 2014 #63
kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #66
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