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In reply to the discussion: Snowden didn't take an "oath of secrecy" [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)135. Again, liking what he did doesn't change the law.
We grant asylum to people who face prison sentences for political activities. Why shouldn't Russia?
Russia is free to do so. And Snowden is free to accept their aid.
But that means he breaks US law. And liking what Snowden has done doesn't change the law. Just like someone liking W's many frauds does not change the law.
People who view the NSA spying has hunky-dory may not understand what is going on.
It's always amusing when people who can't understand basic concepts like "compensation" lecture others on what they "may not understand".
Bur if they put themselves into Snowden's position, try to understand what he was thinking and feeling as he saw what was going on in his workplace, maybe they will understand.
Alternatively, you could read what he's actually leaked so far and discover it doesn't actually back the story he's telling. He's leaked a bunch of programs that spy on non-US persons. He's leaked one program that "spies" on US persons, yet comfortably fits in a 1979 SCOTUS decision.
That doesn't add up to "The NSA is spying on everyone, everywhere!!!!!!".
Which now leads to justifications like this:
They have to go through the documents. The NSA has estimated over a million of them.
So Snowden took random documents without knowing what's in them? Then how does he know those documents show massive spying programs?
Oh, he knows what's in the documents? Then what's the delay? He knows which documents show these massive programs.
You can tell you're coming up with a terrible justification when you have to contradict yourself.
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It is a non-disclosure agreement and if you violate it you are subject to criminal prosecution.
MADem
Jun 2014
#105
Ellsberg was outta the game well before the Walker spy scandal. Life changed for all of us after
MADem
Jun 2014
#109
If Snowden didn't have that level of clearance he couldn't have gotten past an NSA guardhouse
jmowreader
Jun 2014
#47
If he had Top Secret clearance then he could've gone through whistleblower channels.
joshcryer
Jun 2014
#122
Strawman alert - ""he didn't SPEAK an oath" - This is not directed at you, but the words
karynnj
Jun 2014
#80
Surely the oath to uphold the Constitution supersedes the oath to keep the President's
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#28
Of course it does. These attempts to distract are always amusing. The oath to defend and protect the
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#32
I'll try to answer the questions that I can, but some I do not know the full ins and outs.
NavyDem
Jun 2014
#53
People right here on this blog have taken the exact same pledge he had to to get his clearance....
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#10
So what? People sign pledges with Corporations all the time, but when they witness that Corp
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#33
He didn't say explicitly that he was a spy;he said explicitly that the NSA gave him "spy training."
ancianita
Jun 2014
#73
It doesn't matter. He couldn't have worked in his capacity without security clearance.
pnwmom
Jun 2014
#84
How are they the same, though? I don't even see the legal liability levels as the same.
ancianita
Jun 2014
#90
Personally I always felt my oath to defend and protect the Constitution overrode secrecy
hobbit709
Jun 2014
#9
On the other hand if you're a Secret Service agent and you come in to information
Uncle Joe
Jun 2014
#29
And if you are a Secret Service Agent or even just a Contractor working for one of Bush's old
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#37
Nope. He signed an employment agreement (the same on Ellsberg signed), as did you.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2014
#31
Yes, I made that clear elsewhere. People with security clearances sign secrecy oaths --
pnwmom
Jun 2014
#87
An oath is a solemn vow. A vow is a promise or pledge. Signing this agreement is a solemn promise
pnwmom
Jun 2014
#144
If he worked as a Contractor on a govt job.....OH Yes he did.....he has to take that pledge to GET
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#81
So you think that people should just remain silent when they witness crimes in action?
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#38
He didn't sign an 'oath'. He signed a standard corporate agreement which in no way obligates anyone
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#96
Wrong. I'm not referring to any "corporate agreement" he signed with his employer.
pnwmom
Jun 2014
#99
Nothing is excluded from that agreement, even things Snowden believes are crimes.
pnwmom
Jun 2014
#123
The US Constitution trumps any such 'agreement, but so does human decency. I'm amazed you are
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#124
and maybe more...the paper I signed when leaving also had travel restrictions
HereSince1628
Jun 2014
#64
Sooner or later, names will be named. And then we find out what criteria are used for
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#111