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Benton D Struckcheon

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114. The Dem Party is a centrist party

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 04:00 PM

Jun 2014

It always has been and it always will be.
People had problems with Carter in '80, and there was a big protest vote for Ted Kennedy.
I honestly don't remember anymore what the problem was with Carter. I had always liked him; he recognized the new Sandinista gov in Nicaragua unhesitatingly, and after that, as far as I was concerned, he was golden. I desperately wanted to see the US finally break from the recurring pattern of backing Pinochets.

Reagan got in. Ask Central America what that meant.

Gore v Nader is of course more familiar.

That one brought us The Drooling Idiot. Just today, ISIS took Mosul in Iraq and a nice big stash of Humvees and Blackhawks. That's what 2000 got us.

Once in a lifetime, IF you're lucky, you'll get an FDR. The rest of the time it's take what's on offer, and accept that you'll have to fight for what you really want. The US is never going to be France, Germany, or any other social democracy.
It'll never even be Canada, even under a Harper (who seems to be doing his best to imitate Reagan, for some reason).
That's just a fact.

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Fine. I'll say it. I won't vote for HIllary if she's the nominee. [View all] cali Jun 2014 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2014 #1

By "swarm" do you mean Democrats? LOL KittyWampus Jun 2014 #70

yes, only on the new DU are actual Democrats trolls or swarms... imagine this; dionysus Jun 2014 #406

good point! wyldwolf Nov 2014 #410

Me too Enthusiast Jun 2014 #165

I can vouch for your honesty and courage fadedrose Jun 2014 #377

Courage Rhinodawg Nov 2014 #413

she is very similar to Howard Dean which is why he is supporting her and you had no problem JI7 Jun 2014 #2

To the left of Dean at this point. joshcryer Jun 2014 #6

To the left of Obama doesn't take much - TBF Jun 2014 #92

nt merrily Jun 2014 #144

I am a big Dean fan, not sure they are that similar but even if they arent randys1 Jun 2014 #81

we have plenty of choices on the D side. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #98

Yes, but it is Hillary that they say will probably be the next president question everything Jun 2014 #117

I honestly do not think she will run. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #122

Based on what? She sure has been doing a good imitation of a wannabe nominee since 2007. merrily Jun 2014 #151

she has that air of Palin about her PatrynXX Jun 2014 #392

Her recent statement, about being broke when they left the Oval Office ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #394

And don't forget that Hillary's so-called "debt" was being fully financed by her buddies on Wall Street w/ their generous contributions to the Clinton's legal defense fund. . . InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #401

she is not a lot like Howard. He was my governor. I'm quite familiar with cali Jun 2014 #186

i still have my Dean Campaign sign. i was on vacation in Maine, it was after the primaries were dionysus Jun 2014 #352

She isnt Howard Dean. She doesnt support the 99%. She is in the pocket of Wall Street. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #265

she supports the 99 as much as Dean does , why do you think he is supporting her JI7 Jun 2014 #270

I was a proud Dean supporter.. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #279

I was the only one in my caucus to support Wesley Clark that year PatrynXX Jun 2014 #391

Would it matter who the Republican nominee was? el_bryanto Jun 2014 #3

you think a teabagger would do better than Romney ? JI7 Jun 2014 #8

I think they would do better at fucking up the country, yes. el_bryanto Jun 2014 #17

What the GOP want for a president defacto7 Jun 2014 #280

Oh, so you'll take your $8 million and live in poverty? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #4

I love that quote, and I agree with the OP. I will focus on Congress if Hillary is the nominee. Now sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #86

And watch the country sinks and deteriorate beyond repair question everything Jun 2014 #132

Tierra's post consisted solely of a quote from John Quincy Adams, so your liberal bashing is merrily Jun 2014 #158

Than why post it, unless you are trying to send a message? (nt) question everything Jun 2014 #189

Why assume John Quincy Adams was a liberal? merrily Jun 2014 #194

Really? All that with one vote? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #197

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #216

What does this mean? question everything Jun 2014 #233

It means I agree with the post I'm responding Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #236

Thanks. Always learn something new here (nt) question everything Jun 2014 #240

You inadvertently posted the problem Doctor_J Jun 2014 #341

Agreed workinclasszero Jun 2014 #343

So voting for anyone but Hillary makes those bad things happen? AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #422

yes ... jimlup Jun 2014 #5

heh bigtree Jun 2014 #7

Heh heh heh.... lumpy Jun 2014 #62

+1 question everything Jun 2014 #139

Sorry you feel that way. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #9

If she is the nominee and you won't vote for her don't let the door hit your ass on the way out lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #10

On the way out of what? The country? She's already said she'd gladly leave DU "for the duration." merrily Jun 2014 #161

Then we will see her in about ten years AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #176

I'm guessing Cali knows that The duration" is a WW II term meaning "however long it takes." merrily Jun 2014 #399

The Democratic party lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #227

You're in a position to kick her out of the Democratic Party? merrily Jun 2014 #398

Obviously I am simply stating a perspective based on the OPs view that the OP will NOT vote for lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #400

Again, I doubt party leaders want someone out of the party simply because he or she is unable merrily Jun 2014 #404

LOL, temper temper! nt Logical Jun 2014 #364

no temper at all. The OP won't vote for the Democratic nominee should consider moving to another lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #367

This description doesn't bode well for any nominee. rug Jun 2014 #11

Vent, vent, to your heart's content. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #12

I doubt it. This is how many felt in 2000 and voted for Nader, giving us Bush question everything Jun 2014 #119

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ calimary Jun 2014 #128

Not sure why you are aiming this at me question everything Jun 2014 #137

Sorry - didn't mean to come on so strong. calimary Jun 2014 #275

Isnt that extortion? If you dont want a Republican in the WH, dont nominate H. Clinton-Sachs. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #224

I'm not totally convinced anybody else on our team has the clout to win it. I think she can win. calimary Jun 2014 #267

That's the thinking that's got us where we are today. At some point we must stand up rhett o rick Jun 2014 #269

Thank you! 840high Dec 2014 #415

I'm convinced that Clinton can't win. The right will show up to vote against her in droves .... Scuba Jun 2014 #310

"If I don't get Bernie, I'll defacto vote for the other party." Isn't that extortion? kjones Jun 2015 #417

I hope you aren't implying that I said that or believe that. Can you spell S T R A W M A N ? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #418

Implying? Hell, you came right out and called the similar extortion for Hilary supporters et al. kjones Jun 2015 #419

You implied that I said the following: ""If I don't get Bernie, I'll defacto vote for the other rhett o rick Jun 2015 #420

I thought Gore won that vote. merrily Jun 2014 #164

As long as we rely on the electoral system, Gore lost question everything Jun 2014 #187

Your post contradicts your subject line. merrily Jun 2014 #196

What a terrible system we have when we must rely on that. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #222

how very Democratic of you... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #13

Do you see a distinction between Democratic Principals and the Democratic Party? nt el_bryanto Jun 2014 #27

I dont think this forum is called Democratic Principles Underground is it? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #66

Not to put to fine a point on it but it's not called Democratic Party Underground either. nt el_bryanto Jun 2014 #68

uh if you read the TOS you will see that yes in fact it is! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #71

er, the TOS say something about supporting progressive principles Doctor_J Jun 2014 #76

It says something about supporting Democrats too clue one.its in the name...its not Progressive U. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #321

You missed the point. Doctor_J Jun 2014 #339

no you missed the very name of the site. Its DEMOCRATIC Underground VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #355

And many Democrats, both in and out of DC, don't like RTTB Doctor_J Jun 2014 #360

I think the "TOS reminder" is like Godwin's Law on DU. beerandjesus Jun 2014 #380

wishful thinking G_j Jun 2014 #307

Of course, you are reading LWolf Jun 2014 #397

Democratic principles are the principles of the Democratic party, by definition. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #126

So if the Democratic party declared Male Dominance as an official el_bryanto Jun 2014 #150

Yes, just as slavery was a Democratic principle 150 years ago. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #156

Yes it would shawn703 Jun 2014 #160

Then we have no principles and might as well disband the Party. Scuba Jun 2014 #311

I'm afraid you'll have to elaborate on that - it looks like a non-sequitur to me. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #362

If Icky Ricky Santorum declares himself a Democrat and we adopt his hateful policies as our own .... Scuba Jun 2014 #366

Agree, but not all Democrats adhere to Democratic Principles. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #421

I will side with Warren over you. Reasons why are obvious. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #14

God, but, that "left is actually right" stuff got old fast. merrily Jun 2014 #167

She is not a friend of the 99%. Why would you back her? She is Wall Street all the way. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #225

"Are you one that believes in trickle-down?" Excellent mind reader you are. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #309

Still has to be better than the repuke candidate. NightWatcher Jun 2014 #15

This person doesn't think there is a enough of a difference. iandhr Jun 2014 #18

Supreme Court, Supreme Court, Supreme Court NightWatcher Jun 2014 #25

+1 iandhr Jun 2014 #29

Amen, NightWatcher leftynyc Jun 2014 #42

A Democratic Senator will surely filibuster that nomination. OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #88

THIS PERSON IS WHY BUSH WON VERMONT Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #26

If you read my post I was talking about Florida. iandhr Jun 2014 #52

200,000+ registered dems in FL voted for bush frylock Jun 2014 #384

this person, that would be me, lives in Vermont cali Jun 2014 #190

Democratic apathy gave us the Tea Party in 2010. Beacool Jun 2014 #234

The bigger loss in 2010 was the gubernatorial and state legislative elections because StevieM Jun 2014 #282

Hi, Stevie!!! Beacool Jun 2014 #348

hey Bea! got something for you! dionysus Jun 2014 #354

Wow, that's very different. Beacool Jun 2014 #359

a full body bankie :) dionysus Jun 2014 #405

Thank you, sweets. Beacool Jun 2014 #407

anythin for you, Bea :D dionysus Jun 2014 #408

no, young and independant voter apathy gave us the tea party in 2010.. frylock Jun 2014 #385

People like you got Bush elected. iandhr Jun 2014 #16

That is true, but that won't happen again, most people know the realities lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #20

This person clearly doesn't iandhr Jun 2014 #24

"Most", and your characterization is right on. lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #38

+1 jeff47 Jun 2014 #30

Maybe the party should look at that right now so pipoman Jun 2014 #124

The point is this is utterly independent of the party. jeff47 Jun 2014 #169

The Supreme Court got Bush "elected." OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #94

And people like them are banking on people like you joeglow3 Jun 2014 #133

uh no, honey. I voted for Gore. Didn't care for Nader and I live in VERMONT cali Jun 2014 #193

Uh...no. progressoid Jun 2014 #229

Do you think that the purists care? Beacool Jun 2014 #232

Bullshit. The Supreme Court blocked the recount. Gore won the vote. morningfog Jun 2014 #245

no, people like the 200,000+ registered dems in FL that voted for bush.. frylock Jun 2014 #386

I won't either, but I've never made any secret of that.... mike_c Jun 2014 #19

Thanks for letting us know. We sort of figured that out MineralMan Jun 2014 #21

This TeamPooka Jun 2014 #78

Thanks! MineralMan Jun 2014 #80

+100000000000000000 crazylikafox Jun 2014 #97

Well said. Thanks (nt) question everything Jun 2014 #141

Well Said Gothmog Jun 2014 #168

I vote for Democrats also. But I refuse to vote for DINO's. I refuse to vote for Democrats that rhett o rick Jun 2014 #226

+1,000 Scuba Jun 2014 #313

Thanks for saying it so much better than I could!(nt) sunnystarr Jun 2014 #244

LOL! Unannounced. That's hilarious. morningfog Jun 2014 #246

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2014 #363

I'm goin' for the Democrats. saltpoint Jun 2014 #22

Ciao! FSogol Jun 2014 #23

Well aren't you special? Sheldon Cooper Jun 2014 #28

Cali Is the Anti-Hillary. MineralMan Jun 2014 #32

She certainly lives up to the requirements of the job. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2014 #34

There you go. MineralMan Jun 2014 #39

I will not either. Maedhros Jun 2014 #31

That will depend on the primary elections. MineralMan Jun 2014 #37

I want to let the DLC'ers know right now that if you stick with Clinton-Sachs, the apple of rhett o rick Jun 2014 #251

Nope. jeff47 Jun 2014 #40

Rand Paul thanks you for your support and hopes that you can convince other CAG Jun 2014 #33

If you dont want a Rand Paul victory, then dont nominate Clinton-Sachs. It's on you. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #253

The problem with stands like yours jeff47 Jun 2014 #35

+100 Duppers Jun 2014 #63

So you're saying that supporting more and more conservative Dems will move the party to the left???? Doctor_J Jun 2014 #101

No. Read the fucking post. jeff47 Jun 2014 #166

No kidding. Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #260

+100000 Phlem Jun 2014 #175

The oligarchs are doing the manipulating and most just go along. There are two parties both rhett o rick Jun 2014 #255

Yes, because it turns out you have to have vast money to run jeff47 Jun 2014 #332

Our only hope is to get a populist candidate and avoid the Wall Street hacks. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #335

No. our only hope is us. jeff47 Jun 2014 #338

better to have a corporatist to be handed down from on high frylock Jun 2014 #387

I know lots of Hillary supporters... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #36

How many of those were Democrats? If they voted for McCain over Obama knowing that McCain is lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #44

I had nothing but... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #69

It made a difference lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #116

That is the most supportive comment... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #123

Any DU members? Kingofalldems Jun 2014 #46

No DU members. yallerdawg Jun 2014 #79

I was a Hillary supporter in 2008, but I was in line to early vote for Obama. hamsterjill Jun 2014 #85

Me too! n/t yallerdawg Jun 2014 #103

I remember the fucking PUMAs. Iggo Jun 2014 #109

PUMAS! yallerdawg Jun 2014 #113

Yeah, right AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #207

And she killed Vince Foster too. JoePhilly Jun 2014 #41

That's a bit of a canard. Has cali ever suggested a belief in that right wing lie that el_bryanto Jun 2014 #43

And had a lesbian relationship with Janet Reno question everything Jun 2014 #146

You'd be welcomed with open arms over at Discussionist KamaAina Jun 2014 #45

I know I will not caucus for her. Skidmore Jun 2014 #47

I'm sorry but Hillary is better than ANYONE the GOP has to offer. She may be conservative OregonBlue Jun 2014 #48

Now that's what I call a wringing endorsement! RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #54

That's what primary elections are for. jeff47 Jun 2014 #60

I like Hillary. I think she is smart and tough and I will vote for her. OregonBlue Jun 2014 #219

Please reconsider!! RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #49

Easy to say now... and she's for sure not my first choice. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #50

I will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. Because I'm a Democrat and I vote Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #51

Oh I wish there was someone like you to argue with you CreekDog Jun 2014 #53

Nice find question everything Jun 2014 #148

wow. Since when does changing one's mind on something like this, undermine credibility cali Jun 2014 #198

You never had any credibility Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #276

hate to break this to you but I have a lot of credibility with a lot of people here cali Jun 2014 #284

+1 cali, you have way more credibility than those who put party over principles. Scuba Jun 2014 #316

+1 More credibility than many.... beerandjesus Jun 2014 #383

"Hat tip to Creek Dog for killing this thread... " How sad that it's a goal to "kill threads" in rhett o rick Jun 2014 #318

Nice! LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #371

I wish more DUers had your honesty... SidDithers Jun 2014 #55

Yes, it's all about posting jeff47 Jun 2014 #64

Only with the help of party hacks including organization and mountains of money from TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #108

Nope, sorry. Those came later. jeff47 Jun 2014 #172

if not her consistency CreekDog Jun 2014 #91

Agree completely. Rex Jun 2014 #100

I just hope they all go away for a few months. joshcryer Jun 2014 #252

uh oh, stand by for the barage of loyalty oath threads! lol m-lekktor Jun 2014 #56

Quite frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn. lumpy Jun 2014 #57

LOL. ok. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #58

end of story meaning you won't reply to anyone, or end of story meaning snooper2 Jun 2014 #59

Punish her by electing more liberal Democrats across downticket races! nt IronLionZion Jun 2014 #61

I'm voting Hillary!! riseabove Jun 2014 #65

Never been a great sharp_stick Jun 2014 #67

Sorry, cali. We must part company if it comes to that Doctor_J Jun 2014 #72

Don't Want Hillary, Will Slam Her Hard During Primary Season KittyWampus Jun 2014 #73

Alrighty then. undeterred Jun 2014 #74

I won't vote for Hillary = I'd rather have a Republican President like Cruz, Paul or another Bush... TeamPooka Jun 2014 #75

I guess I make two. n/t Chan790 Jun 2014 #77

Then you will be asked to leave to DU when she is formally nominated bluestateguy Jun 2014 #82

no she won't Doctor_J Jun 2014 #90

Goodbye then. If she is the nominee I will proudly be casting my NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #83

What if a teaparty or independent like Rand Paul is elected, they steal the senate and randys1 Jun 2014 #84

California is safe not to vote for Hillary ErikJ Jun 2014 #87

I thought she lived in Vermont. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #111

Nope. Cali is short for California ErikJ Jun 2014 #120

Look at her profile. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #140

I was born in Cali, have roots there cali Jun 2014 #188

The OP is from Vermont, not CA. Look at her profile (nt) question everything Jun 2014 #152

For someone of such strident and strong opinions, you sure need a lot of validation CreekDog Jun 2014 #89

she believes in Universal Healthcare, is strong, understands other countries samsingh Jun 2014 #93

I never share my voting on DU, woo me with science Jun 2014 #95

+10000 MissDeeds Jun 2014 #121

Plus one a whole bunch. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #173

+1000 Very well said! Raksha Jun 2014 #402

That is your right. LuckyTheDog Jun 2014 #96

Filed under "Shit everybody who has been paying attention already knew". 11 Bravo Jun 2014 #99

Speak for yourself LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #375

She is not my choice mackerel Jun 2014 #102

Dear God, please let Hillary be the nominee! boston bean Jun 2014 #104

Amen.............. Beacool Jun 2014 #238

gonna see her on Monday! boston bean Jun 2014 #239

Good for you!!! Beacool Jun 2014 #242

i already have my tix. you needed to pay and register prior. boston bean Jun 2014 #248

Have fun. Beacool Jun 2014 #249

Get some pics please! joshcryer Jun 2014 #254

Yes you would love that. Conservatism uber alas. The hell with the poor and unemployed. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #259

I think of one thing DFW Jun 2014 #105

I agree with you on all counts, cali. Raksha Jun 2014 #106

Seriously? You see no difference between Hillary Clinton and Margaret Thatcher? StevieM Jun 2014 #283

Lesser of which evil? Scott6113 Jun 2014 #107

Interesting OP/thread. H2O Man Jun 2014 #110

I believe you got that right..recommending your thoughtful post. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #200

Not a Hillary fanboy... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #112

The Dem Party is a centrist party Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #114

This should be its own OP. Well said! n/t Blaukraut Jun 2014 #191

Enjoy a Supreme Court filled with Thomases and Scalias question everything Jun 2014 #115

WELL, packman Jun 2014 #118

Cali, come on, just hold your nose . . . brush Jun 2014 #125

If she's the last democrat standing... Stellar Jun 2014 #127

She has a lot of good qualities as well. OKNancy Jun 2014 #129

Now you will be criticized for creating "A list". stevenleser Jun 2014 #221

If the Democratic Party can't do better than Hillary in 2016, bvar22 Jun 2014 #130

I have no idea what your personal circumstance is bluestateguy Jun 2014 #131

I didn't like Nader. I didn't vote for him. I never supported him in any way shape or form cali Jun 2014 #201

Fine bluestateguy Jun 2014 #212

I never voted for Nader but Phlem Jun 2014 #214

I think that stance is okay for a Vermonter... and for me, in California... deurbano Jun 2014 #134

The Dems could run a goat and I'd vote for it over anything GOP. n/r broadcaster75201 Jun 2014 #135

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #136

When you read post after post from a person... liberalmuse Jun 2014 #138

I will vote for the Democrat if it's Hillary or not... Sancho Jun 2014 #142

So is every politician from dog catcher MFM008 Jun 2014 #143

I would prefer Warren over Clinton Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #145

Cali, I never thought for an instant you would vote for Hillary Clinton The Second Stone Jun 2014 #147

Warren, Schweitzer, Clinton in that order, but Democrat regardless mikekohr Jun 2014 #149

I'm sitting here, staring at my screen in utter disbelief. This cannot be happening! Metric System Jun 2014 #153

then get on someone else bus. bernie sanders IS running. mopinko Jun 2014 #154

Republicans thank you for your integrity. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #155

Didn't you recently brag how you were on food stamps and how great they were? RiffRandell Jun 2014 #157

I didn't fucking brag about it, honeypie. disgusting of you to make that claim. cali Jun 2014 #203

Sorry, sweetie, but YOU started the nonsense. Beacool Jun 2014 #241

oh I can take it, sweetums cali Jun 2014 #286

Going by the nonsense you posted, hyperbole must be your middle name. Beacool Jun 2014 #340

SNAP shaming -- a new low. nt grasswire Jun 2014 #223

Give me a break. RiffRandell Jun 2014 #277

I'm shocked we can do it Jun 2014 #159

the absolute worst Democrat is far better than the absolute best Republican... NRaleighLiberal Jun 2014 #162

well said NRaleighLiberal NoMoreRepugs Jun 2014 #381

Just one more reason to vote for Hillary. Little Star Jun 2014 #163

We need to make sure we DON'T have to make a choice between that woman & the GOP Theocrat. Now is blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #170

I need more time to process this brand new information. Metric System Jun 2014 #171

I have made a vow Android3.14 Jun 2014 #174

Corporate Dem or a Republican, is that our choice? Phlem Jun 2014 #177

Nader-Bush...how soon you forget. glinda Jun 2014 #178

I live in Vermont. I don't have to settle the way dems in states like FL do. cali Jun 2014 #204

that's like saying "Iraq-9/11...how soon you forget" "Germany-Pearl Harbor...how soon you forget" MisterP Jun 2014 #274

Agree strange7 Jun 2014 #179

Like she won't perpetuate the current plutocracy....... dirtydickcheney Jun 2014 #180

I disagree with the OP. I have reservations about Hillary Clinton No Vested Interest Jun 2014 #181

Forgot I wrote this. Went off to putter in the garden (anyone ever grown celery root?) cali Jun 2014 #182

She makes me really nervous. peoli Jun 2014 #183

the supreme court is more important than your whinny childish tantrum. everyone fighting to improve leftyohiolib Jun 2014 #184

+10000 giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #205

Outstanding! blue neen Jun 2014 #235

2010, that says it all............ Beacool Jun 2014 #243

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2014 #365

I would not call the OP's passion for what she believes in a totodeinhere Jun 2014 #369

Right On! Thespian2 Jun 2014 #185

I voted for Hillary as my Senator, but didn't HockeyMom Jun 2014 #192

as i stated on the counter thread barbtries Jun 2014 #195

I will but would much rather have someone else n/t doc03 Jun 2014 #199

Same. And if this is the way the party is going LittleBlue Jun 2014 #202

But Cali Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #206

oh yes, I forgot to take that into consideration cali Jun 2014 #210

Ok, but help me out here. When she bowed down to George Bush and violated her duty to rhett o rick Jun 2014 #257

The Hillary feeding frenzy AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #208

I have a hunch you aint seen nothing yet. In 2007 we had hope for change, now we only rhett o rick Jun 2014 #258

I have a hunch AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #261

I'm glad you have that luxury, Cali, sincerely steve2470 Jun 2014 #209

I don't know what I'd do if I lived in FL- but then again, no offense, living there is cali Jun 2014 #211

We really can do so much better! If only.... NYC_SKP Jun 2014 #213

And you'll be one of the ones I bitch about if we deal with yet another Republican in the WH. moriah Jun 2014 #215

Moriah, I live in Vermont (as you know). My vote will make no difference to the outcome. cali Jun 2014 #217

So because Arkansas has a snowball's chance of going blue even if Hillary'd gotten the nod... moriah Jun 2014 #218

I think you are jumping the gun. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #220

I'll alert the media. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2014 #228

Ask me if I give a flying f*ck? Beacool Jun 2014 #230

If you want the support of the left, dont nominate Wall Street's baby, H. Clinton-Sachs. It's up to rhett o rick Jun 2014 #264

The majority of self identified progressives support Hillary. Beacool Jun 2014 #266

No you will dance in the street as Wall Street-Clinton wins. You dont give a crap about the poor or rhett o rick Jun 2014 #268

Oh, the drama and the hyperbole.............. Beacool Jun 2014 #281

fine. i'll say it. you betcha i will vote for hillary or any democrat. i want supreme court. seabeyond Jun 2014 #231

That worked out so well for us in 2000 that you would risk a repeat? Liberal Veteran Jun 2014 #237

"Quelle surprise!" Rowdyboy Jun 2014 #247

Who cares. She'll win without you. Pisces Jun 2014 #250

Of course she would or so would Warren. But this forum is about giving totodeinhere Jun 2014 #370

No one I know has ask THIS question... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #256

I would write in. Just sayin. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #262

Thanks for helping to elect Republicans. zappaman Jun 2014 #278

The same could be said of those who vote in lock step... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #294

That's BS. 840high Dec 2014 #416

I live in a safe blue state now, so I'm with ya d_b Jun 2014 #263

Ralph, is that you buddy? Zambero Jun 2014 #271

89 "liberals" who prefer a Republican like Ted Cruz to Hillary Clinton BainsBane Jun 2014 #272

baloney, codswallop, shrill rhetoric. And I live in Vermont? Wanna guess how VT will go? cali Jun 2014 #285

You are here encouraging others to refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee BainsBane Jun 2014 #290

No, I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything. I have no interest in doing that. cali Jun 2014 #291

Jury voted 4 to 3 to leave it JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #298

They tried to censor that comment???? Beacool Jun 2014 #342

No the alerter felt that BB JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #346

Me neither. Beacool Jun 2014 #350

I'll vote for Hillary, without any complaint bhikkhu Jun 2014 #273

Might as well vote republican. bobGandolf Jun 2014 #287

In Vermont? Really? Nope. Wrong. cali Jun 2014 #288

That makes you as much my political enemy as any other Republican MohRokTah Jun 2014 #289

I am not a republican. If you believe that, go to admin and tell them I should be booted cali Jun 2014 #297

Refusing to vote for a Democratic nominee makes you identical to a Republican MohRokTah Jun 2014 #305

Only if one is under some sort of a delusion. cali Jun 2014 #315

I will always consider you nothing more than just another Republican MohRokTah Jun 2014 #320

Conservatives are my political enemies Doctor_J Jun 2014 #345

All purists on the LEft accomplish are moving the party further to the right. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #347

Ummm...sure. See, we are playing 12-D chess, while you're playing checkers, and Doctor_J Jun 2014 #349

Please. joshcryer Jun 2014 #292

Naw Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #295

I only ask for a few months. joshcryer Jun 2014 #296

Reading is fundamental. I said in the OP cali Jun 2014 #299

Good. joshcryer Jun 2014 #301

Lol. You have inspired me, my dear. cali Jun 2014 #303

Please do. joshcryer Jun 2014 #308

I never promised to stfu. those are your little words. cali Jun 2014 #312

"I'll gladly leave DU for the duration." joshcryer Jun 2014 #314

love to break this to you: leaving for the duration is not synonymous with STFU. duh. cali Jun 2014 #317

Have a blow out. joshcryer Jun 2014 #322

Since we are asking, would you and others like you refrain from ad hominem attacks and ridicule rhett o rick Jun 2014 #319

I will voraciously attack Clinton. joshcryer Jun 2014 #324

Highly ironic comment Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #331

So is that a "no" you wont be discussing Clinton's stands on issues? And I am surprised that you rhett o rick Jun 2014 #333

Yeah, that's fine Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #334

Ad hominem attacks and ridicule????????? Beacool Jun 2014 #351

And you prove my point. I asked if the Clinton supporters would be willing to discuss issues. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #361

I agree with your description, but will vote for her anyway eridani Jun 2014 #293

I'm more interested Jeneral2885 Jun 2014 #300

An itsy bitsy teeny weeny group will join you BeyondGeography Jun 2014 #302

so instead of more negative Hillary posts, will we start seeing pro-candidate posts? Blue_Adept Jun 2014 #304

I notice that the Clinton-Sachs supporters never provide positive arguments about her rhett o rick Jun 2014 #323

I'm certainly not a Clinton supporter Blue_Adept Jun 2014 #325

double kick+r nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #306

Starting w/ Timothy Geitner JonLP24 Jun 2014 #326

If you don't vote for the Democratic nominee baldguy Jun 2014 #327

I fail to see how she differs significantly from President Obama on policy issues Freddie Stubbs Jun 2014 #328

Yes Freddie and that's the point. Vote for Clinton-Sachs and 8 more years rhett o rick Jun 2014 #336

Someone recd this for "honesty and courage" NO... Evergreen Emerald Jun 2014 #329

because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush. remember? greenman3610 Jun 2014 #330

Not voting for Hillary is a half vote for Bush lame54 Jun 2014 #337

courts do matter Demsrule86 Jun 2014 #344

Hmm... risk going over the cliff with a republican president or whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #353

Well! You've certainly taught ME a lesson... brooklynite Jun 2014 #356

Freerepublic salutes you OP workinclasszero Jun 2014 #357

I can understand how you feel. Xyzse Jun 2014 #358

I sympathize with you. But if she gets the nomination and her opponent totodeinhere Jun 2014 #368

I voted for Obama for one reason in the 2008 Primary dirtydickcheney Jun 2014 #372

Then I'm holding you personally responsible for either making sure a better candidate is nominated, Zorra Jun 2014 #373

That's ridiculous. The OP's comment is not going to be responsible for totodeinhere Jun 2014 #376

It was a comment really meant for the general population of Democrats who are Zorra Jun 2014 #382

OK, when you wrote "I'm holding you personally responsible" I assumed you were directly totodeinhere Jun 2014 #389

Yeh, I know that is how it appears, not trying to deceive anyone, just Zorra Jun 2014 #393

I don't trust the Clintons or ANY of their paid hacks. nt. Any other Dem please. nt clarice Jun 2014 #374

Fine. That is your right and your decision. BlueMTexpat Jun 2014 #378

So if we have a president named Cruz, or Paul or Perry, you'll accept partial responsibility? Zen Democrat Jun 2014 #379

I'm no fan of Hillary... MoonchildCA Jun 2014 #388

well I won't leave DU. PatrynXX Jun 2014 #390

I'm not far from where you are stupidicus Jun 2014 #395

Cue horrified gasping, choking, and over the top hysteria here. LWolf Jun 2014 #396

krecc Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #403

This is entertaining, if nothing else. AAO Jun 2014 #409

Oh no !!! Rhinodawg Nov 2014 #411

K&R Rhinodawg Nov 2014 #412

Well, thanks for letting us know. MineralMan Nov 2014 #414