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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
23. Yes, every profession has its "stinkers"
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jun 2014

From medicine and law to electricians and politicians. The difference is twofold, however: if you have a cruel doctor, you can either sever your relationship with him/her and go to another one, and/or complain to a board who can take away their license. Students don't have a choice: they are required to attend school, but they can't leave a "cruel" (in your example) or poorly performing teacher. They're stuck with them. For at least a year--a year in which they have lost out on learning a subject.

Let me be clear: I absolutely 100% support teachers having tenure: it's critical to their ability to express themselves freely and be secure in the positions. However, having witnessed a couple of true clunkers (really inept and unprofessional) teachers among the many excellent and highly professional ones my kids had when they were in school, I am of the opinion that the tenure system probably needs some tightening up. 18 months is far too short of a time to acquire tenure, and the criteria on which it is based are in many places weak or nonexistent. It's basically a question of whether you showed up for the 18 months.

My husband served for several years as chair of the tenure committee for the college at which he is a professor. I was overwhelmed at the amount of work all the members of that committee had to put in to reviewing each candidate—dozens of hours each in review and then dozens more in discussion and reports—and and how long and arduous the process was for the candidates, publishing and presenting lectures and research (the tenure often takes 7 years for a professor). And then it all had to go to outside reviewers as well, before passing on to administration. Once done, a professor's tenure is not fully iron-clad, either: if you screw up royally in some way, you can be fired immediately.

I'm not saying the process can or even should be as strict as that, but perhaps what we need here is a bit of tightening up on the review and granting of tenure, to make sure incompetent candidates don't make it through, and then another process on the other end that can swiftly and effectively remove teachers who may have gone off the deep end later on.

But we should definitely keep tenure for our teachers. Students, on the other hand, should have a right to an equal education. The system perhaps needs some tweaking.

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I would never recommend teaching as a career. femmocrat Jun 2014 #1
MAJOR congratulations! My last day (2002) was like "Free at last!" Sometimes people don't under- WinkyDink Jun 2014 #13
Thank you so much. femmocrat Jun 2014 #28
The politicians have had a huge liberalhistorian Jun 2014 #26
how do you solve Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #2
stop sending junior teachers there cap Jun 2014 #4
the issue wasn't Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #6
I don't like hearing that the problem is an inability to fire Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #27
What are you talking about, with this "low performing teachers" expression? WinkyDink Jun 2014 #16
That is a pretty broad generalization wcast Jun 2014 #5
I was referring to the recent court ruling Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #10
You couldn't possibly supply a LINK to whatever it is you're posting about? WinkyDink Jun 2014 #17
here you go Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #22
Excuse me, what? How does this "sending" work? WinkyDink Jun 2014 #15
according to the lawsuit Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #21
Before long, there will be no experienced teachers left. femmocrat Jun 2014 #29
race to the top is succeeding admirably in achieving its goals nt msongs Jun 2014 #3
Because, in the real world... Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #7
that is totally ridiculous dsc Jun 2014 #20
Those "halcyon" days (if they ever existed) are long gone. femmocrat Jun 2014 #30
We have bad teachers in my district. Sienna86 Jun 2014 #8
Really? Well, this year I've met cruel doctors, Godawful social workers, lazy nurses,...so what's WinkyDink Jun 2014 #18
Yes, every profession has its "stinkers" frazzled Jun 2014 #23
This is the plan of the One Percent for every occupation. woo me with science Jun 2014 #9
My guess is that many of the millions of teachers are not in the position to... Shoulders of Giants Jun 2014 #11
With the huge exception of meeting my dear husband on the job, I RUE THE DAY! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #12
I taught high school 30 years... Bigmack Jun 2014 #14
Bigmack, I'm quite willing to believe that you were a superior teacher. My husband also taught A/P. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #19
I think there's already a shortage of good teachers. Iris Jun 2014 #24
I'm nearly fifty and I grew liberalhistorian Jun 2014 #25
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