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Jamastiene

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183. I would rather you don't go.

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:41 PM

Jun 2014

We have lost many great AA posters here and I am sad about that already. I don't want to see any more pushed off the site. The best thing to do with certain posters like a couple of those above is to put them on ignore. They refuse to learn. They refuse to listen. They refuse to open their minds. It is truly their own loss. This has been the most interesting thread I have seen on DU in ages. I see great discussion happening instead of the usual sniping in this thread. So, you obviously know how to make a great OP that can cause discussion instead of the same old, same old. That, alone, is more reason to keep posting. Whether you know it or not, you are making a difference by posting your observations for everyone to read. Not all are going to be so stubborn and refuse to listen to you. I would rather you did not leave. I, for one, want you here. I'm sure many others do too.

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A History of Liberal White Racism [View all] bravenak Jun 2014 OP

As Coates notes RainDog Jun 2014 #1

I posted part 2. bravenak Jun 2014 #2

I can't believe you were alerted upon. joshcryer Jun 2014 #3

When? bravenak Jun 2014 #4

here...............stupid alert as the jury noted Demonaut Jun 2014 #6

That saddens me. Nt bravenak Jun 2014 #13

I was #4, for what it's worth. joshcryer Jun 2014 #15

Thank you. bravenak Jun 2014 #18

Thank you! Warpy Jun 2014 #19

Thanks! joshcryer Jun 2014 #23

great vote and great explanation CreekDog Jun 2014 #93

No! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #30

7-0 goes to MIRT; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #31

I hope they do, 1StrongBlackMan. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #37

I will not be silenced ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #40

I knew that... sheshe2 Jun 2014 #44

Admin reviews all alerts. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #120

the admins see all alerts and read them. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #206

So MIRT doesn't see 0-7s to show? Interesting. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #207

no there is no reason for us to deal with them. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #208

We better stay in order to draw more people in. bravenak Jun 2014 #32

Well, let me educate the alerter a bit more Warpy Jun 2014 #17

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #35

Block busting didn't work too well in my last neighborhood in Boston Warpy Jun 2014 #58

Awesome post!! bravenak Jun 2014 #63

+1000 countryjake Jun 2014 #124

Wow BainsBane Jun 2014 #105

Fucking pathetic. I hope the admins note who alerted on this. redqueen Jun 2014 #140

I'm sorry to say this, but, truthfully, Juror #1 got it right more than anyone else. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #154

You keep using words like "truthfully" wrong gollygee Jun 2014 #200

Therein lies the problem BainsBane Jun 2014 #205

Agreed. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #9

Nope, no targeted alerting going on here at all... SidDithers Jun 2014 #100

I always read him RainDog Jun 2014 #7

I wonder that too since the British did offer freedom to Blacks who fought on their side. bravenak Jun 2014 #10

Throughout history Americans have left this country RainDog Jun 2014 #14

The senate IS like the House of Lords. bravenak Jun 2014 #24

In Massachusetts, slavery ended in the 1780s MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #16

Yes, Manny, but this is also about other things too. bravenak Jun 2014 #21

Just responding to your observation on the British offer MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #26

Oh, my bad. Nt bravenak Jun 2014 #27

Oh, yes, some Brits did.....but not really out of altruism(not in most cases), mind you. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #77

They used us for their need to try to end the rebellion. bravenak Jun 2014 #79

I would have too JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #103

Your husband is a smart man. bravenak Jun 2014 #104

He's smart but he's also kind of crazy! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #109

That is so funny!!! bravenak Jun 2014 #111

My goodness gollygee Jun 2014 #5

Thank you for giving me the results. bravenak Jun 2014 #11

I'm interested in that book - thanks for posting. el_bryanto Jun 2014 #8

I posted part 2. bravenak Jun 2014 #12

IT is available on the Kindle - i just checked. Thinking of getting it el_bryanto Jun 2014 #20

Thank you. bravenak Jun 2014 #22

That's a benefit - but honestly - if i get it on my Kindle I'm likely to read it el_bryanto Jun 2014 #96

I saw this comment from one poster named "chadstanton": Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #25

Funny, i blame the mormon church a bit more than the black churches. bravenak Jun 2014 #29

I want you to read Republican Gomorrah JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #107

Erik Prince would be Blackwater right? Jamastiene Jun 2014 #177

You got it! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #179

Are you talking about this: Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #193

Yep! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #199

Do you see it as part of 'The Family' as some of the same players are there? freshwest Jun 2014 #218

I absolutely do! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #219

Yes, I've used the same technique. Embrace their reality, befriend their heroes and despise their freshwest Jun 2014 #221

The American Communist Party was the only civil rights supporter ... kwassa Jun 2014 #28

so this is how the right wing accuses some black people from those days of being commies JI7 Jun 2014 #33

But major African American leaders at the time RainDog Jun 2014 #41

i recently read that book and it does remind me of these things JI7 Jun 2014 #42

What they fail to realize Mnpaul Jun 2014 #74

Thanks for pointing this out. vlakitti Jun 2014 #46

Liberalism isn't really equipped to deal with looking at the entire Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #53

But wait, we're all told that Obama is a traitor, and FDR was a saint! ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2014 #34

Damn. bravenak Jun 2014 #48

"War on The Weak" by Edwin Black documents the eugenics movement loyalsister Jun 2014 #36

Great info. bravenak Jun 2014 #50

You're welcome loyalsister Jun 2014 #75

Edwin Black's a good guy......but he's wrong about progressives. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #191

The progressives did favor involuntary sterilization loyalsister Jun 2014 #196

They also kidnapped and sterilized poor whites, a source of old white anti-government hatred. freshwest Jun 2014 #220

This started in southern states loyalsister Jun 2014 #224

Thanks for this OP. Very much. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #38

No problem. bravenak Jun 2014 #43

I found it. You could edit the OP to include it. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #66

Okay. bravenak Jun 2014 #68

bravenak - you may have already seen this -- Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #39

Love it!!! bravenak Jun 2014 #45

I almost did an OP about it today but, did not have the time. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #47

That is great! I'm going to post in on FB. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #49

go for it ... that is where I found it. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #51

Y'know, I don't dispute the accuracy of Coates' history, alp227 Jun 2014 #52

I think we need to look at it from today's standard so that we don't slip back. bravenak Jun 2014 #54

"times liberals fantasize about" whoa whoa whoa wait a minute. alp227 Jun 2014 #55

Lot's fantasize about FDR. bravenak Jun 2014 #59

FDR definitely wasn't perfect, because of the internment camps and such. alp227 Jun 2014 #65

I guess his not pushing for anti lynching legislation biases me. bravenak Jun 2014 #67

Thanks for the link. In contrast, LBJ was willing to push for the Civil Rights Act alp227 Jun 2014 #70

You are right. bravenak Jun 2014 #72

Ahhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #161

I learned a new term. "Presentism" Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #98

the reason there is less support for Govt programs is because it's seen as benefiting Blacks and JI7 Jun 2014 #176

Well a lot of eugenic stuff still exists AngryAmish Jun 2014 #97

True loyalsister Jun 2014 #210

I've said before, and I'll say again, the measure of how much Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #106

"I don't dispute the accuracy of Coates' history". I do. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #155

The "Democratic Party" used to mean Majority Rule, as in the White Majority.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #56

Excellent article lovemydog Jun 2014 #57

Thank you. bravenak Jun 2014 #61

Kick and Hell yes Recommend! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #60

Good night! bravenak Jun 2014 #62

You too bravenak! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #64

Not every Democrat was a liberal and it didn't start with Wilson, but with merrily Jun 2014 #69

Thank you for this post. bravenak Jun 2014 #82

You're welcome. merrily Jun 2014 #86

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #71

Thanks for the kick. nt bravenak Jun 2014 #73

Yeah......I'm sorry, but Katznelson pretty much falls short on this. Coates too. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #76

How you been Joe? bravenak Jun 2014 #78

..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #80

No honey. bravenak Jun 2014 #81

Sure, hon. Sure. And I'm Bill Cosby. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #83

You just told me that i am out of the mainstream. bravenak Jun 2014 #88

so you deny white privilege and global climate change/global warming CreekDog Jun 2014 #95

Touch�, touch�. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #99

And the results are in. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #136

Thank heaven JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #202

Hello CD. I see you're engaging in your favorite B.S. games again. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #137

LOLOLOL! RainDog Jun 2014 #146

Remember what you asked him that day? bravenak Jun 2014 #147

Tutti-Frutti RainDog Jun 2014 #151

Great post i was trying not to start with him. bravenak Jun 2014 #153

smart thinking RainDog Jun 2014 #158

I sometimes wonder if you are a writer in real life. bravenak Jun 2014 #160

Thanks! RainDog Jun 2014 #162

Unfortunately ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #166

He's older than me RainDog Jun 2014 #168

One of the lessons learned/taught ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #181

Ah RainDog Jun 2014 #187

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #195

actually, he's just atheist RainDog Jun 2014 #198

I understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #203

Sadly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #164

I'm sorry that's the case here RainDog Jun 2014 #165

you're chiding Coates and the OP for misrepresenting black people? CreekDog Jun 2014 #94

Theodore Bilbo was a member of the KKK. Rex Jun 2014 #84

That's basically what Katznelson and Coates implied.....even if not intentionally, perhaps. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #85

I'm in total agreement, revisionist history is for the KKKarl Roves of the world. Rex Jun 2014 #87

They did not say that. bravenak Jun 2014 #89

Well I don't know what is liberal about white racism, seems like a strange title. Rex Jun 2014 #90

fdr's administration called him "a great friend of liberal government" fishwax Jun 2014 #169

The article is about what was historically considered liberal gollygee Jun 2014 #201

Nobody is immune to racism, but social liberals were opposite of the KKK. Rex Jun 2014 #211

It's just talking about liberals in the Democratic Party gollygee Jun 2014 #213

"Actually *legitimately* studied US history" ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #113

I dunno what you've been reading..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #134

Are you serious? ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #141

Okay, but, TBH. there's no such thing as "white history". AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #144

The entire history of the country is white history ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #157

"You sound very young, very idealistic." I used to be idealistic myself, yes, I will be honest. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #159

When, exactly, did you opine that white privilege existed? Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #186

It was a long while before I joined DU, to be truthful. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #192

That's funny. I can cite quite a few specifics about why I know it exists. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #194

Most studies on "American" history don't even begin to tell the whole story... countryjake Jun 2014 #145

"What you say here sounds exactly like the argument....." Are you sure? AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #152

Yes, it was indeed sickeningly sweet, but recognizing the need for Black Studies... countryjake Jun 2014 #156

Have to agree there, not near enough time is spent on minority history. Rex Jun 2014 #148

Wait! Wasn't this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #163

Thats how i read it.nt bravenak Jun 2014 #167

Phew ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #174

what were some of Bilbo's extreme right wing positions, aside from his fishwax Jun 2014 #170

Not sure if I want to go thru the trouble of spending hours & hours digging..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #171

Based on what I've said here? What was that? I've only posted twice fishwax Jun 2014 #172

To clarify, I meant just your reply to my post. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #175

The Rand Paul analogy isn't really a very good one, Joe fishwax Jun 2014 #178

You have to realize, however, more than anything..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #182

Then it shouldn't be difficult to answer my earlier question: what are some of his right-wing fishwax Jun 2014 #185

*Sigh*. You just don't get it. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #190

I get the concept, Joe ... I'm just asking for a single shred of evidence fishwax Jun 2014 #197

I can only speak for family experience JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #204

Thanks for sharing that background fishwax Jun 2014 #215

Your welcome JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #216

K and R, great post! etherealtruth Jun 2014 #91

K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #92

Oh shit JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #101

Good topic to explore right about now. bravenak Jun 2014 #102

Coates argument falls apart Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #108

No. bravenak Jun 2014 #112

The eugenics movement is not acceptable by anyone today and not acceptable Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #123

No. bravenak Jun 2014 #125

Is this the poster JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #126

Yes!!! Ahhhhhh!! Driving me bananas! bravenak Jun 2014 #129

ahh! for my journal JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #132

Your opinions and feelings are just as valid Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #222

Nope.nt bravenak Jun 2014 #223

OMG. bravenak Jun 2014 #225

I tried as hard as I could to make sense of your rambling post brentspeak Jun 2014 #130

It refers to a post he made about black families. bravenak Jun 2014 #131

It's in reference to other stances the poster has taken in the past... countryjake Jun 2014 #133

k&r for exposure... giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #110

Kick...and I would alert on the alerter. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #114

I wish i could.nt bravenak Jun 2014 #115

Send an email directly to Skinner, or post in AtA. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #117

Thanks.nt bravenak Jun 2014 #118

Send an email of the jury results to the admins. n/t FSogol Jun 2014 #116

Thanks.nt bravenak Jun 2014 #119

There IS racism in White Liberal America. Many people of color have experienced this Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2014 #121

Go to AA. bravenak Jun 2014 #122

I think I read it. I haven't been on DU for awhile, but I do remember. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2014 #127

and it is flaming DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #128

Not much, though. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #135

How do you know this? You don't. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2014 #143

interesting stuff. i bought two books for my kindle based on this thread. m-lekktor Jun 2014 #138

I am just trying to let people see the world through my eyes. bravenak Jun 2014 #139

I would rather you don't go. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #183

If i do i will make sure to do a GBCW for you and let you know where i go or get your facebooks. bravenak Jun 2014 #184

Yeh. Thomas Jefferson, founder of the Democratic Party, was a racist who owned slaves. Zorra Jun 2014 #142

You have gotten the wrong message. bravenak Jun 2014 #150

Thanks. Zorra Jun 2014 #180

Hi Zorra. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #173

There is no explanation you would willingly understand. kwassa Jun 2014 #188

K&R Thanks for posting this! mwrguy Jun 2014 #149

Yeah. Coates's writings over the past two years have been amazing Recursion Jun 2014 #189

WATCH HERE: White, black, red, brown, yellow, and *other* liberals march with Rev. Jesse Jackson, Zorra Jun 2014 #209

What a great post! Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #212

I'm very glad you think so, Waiting For Everyman, thanks. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #214

Outstanding post...recommending people read it..thank you. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #217

Some progressives remind me of Janet Parshall randys1 Jun 2014 #226

She was terrible. bravenak Jun 2014 #227

Of course they save the in house shill for the last word ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #228