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hopemountain

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26. oh yes i am... bonafide

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:01 AM

Jun 2014

if it were not for unions my dad and i would have never been able to own a home, go to college, have great health insurance, have days off or sick days...etc., etc.

but in this case, the california teacher's union worked against the best interests of the students - are you aware of their stories and plight? and i don't care about nor for arne duncan, personally.

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Today, Obama admin all but admitted it is a right wing, teacher-union busting admin [View all] brentspeak Jun 2014 OP

Entirely consistent with the overall corporate direction of this administration. woo me with science Jun 2014 #1

Amen. 840high Jun 2014 #3

I wish I could disagree. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #52

And yet the Republican Party never stopped treating him with contempt - like dirt under their Cal33 Jun 2014 #106

It's just an act FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #127

I've thought about this being just an act, but the thought of the amount of incredible abuse Cal33 Jun 2014 #148

The abuse the Obamas are taking? truedelphi Jun 2014 #153

Any Democratic president would be subject to the worst abuse the GOP can find or dream up. Just Cal33 Jun 2014 #213

How is a ruling that values the equal protection of children above property "corporate?" nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #62

when it is the thin line between you and the mob. this is bullshit roguevalley Jun 2014 #169

violates the equal protection of good teachers, which are most of them reddread Jun 2014 #189

Then they ought to file suit. I expect that you've read the decision, then? The court msanthrope Jun 2014 #190

you behave as though some SoCal county judge is the final word reddread Jun 2014 #196

WOW, this brings all of my experiences back.. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #195

What you say is key JonLP24 Jun 2014 #63

"Third Way is a deliberate, infiltrating, corporate-bankrolled infiltration, a cancer in our party." Scuba Jun 2014 #67

Yes, the Third Way is killing the Democratic Party -- very slowly. It's just that their Cal33 Jun 2014 #111

Thank you. The main goal of any Democrat should be to root out these Third Way infiltrators sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #150

+1 btrflykng9 Jun 2014 #151

... Zorra Jun 2014 #161

Amenagain. GoneFishin Jun 2014 #183

Amen. truebluegreen Jun 2014 #201

Bingo. He's a corporatist to the core. nt LittleBlue Jun 2014 #211

he's too busy putting on his "comfortable shoes" as we speak lol nt msongs Jun 2014 #2

Comfortable shoes? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #167

In reference to Obama, it is from his campaign promise truebluegreen Jun 2014 #202

Link? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #205

Sorry; I thought I put it in there. truebluegreen Jun 2014 #207

When they said the suit was brought by people in Sillicone Valley Live and Learn Jun 2014 #4

Yes, Arne Duncan is praising union busting... madfloridian Jun 2014 #5

And there are hundreds of DUers who are happy too rpannier Jun 2014 #12

And they'll find any excuse ... aggiesal Jun 2014 #19

Obama lied about a lot of things in 2008 Doctor_J Jun 2014 #6

and many were lured into a naive world where america doesn't have 1200 ALEC radio stations certainot Jun 2014 #9

The moderates stayed home quakerboy Jun 2014 #43

Thank you! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2014 #69

Exactly. Thank you. Scuba Jun 2014 #70

Thank you again. It's easy for both sides to blame the someone else for their own actions and kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #74

yes, the naive new voters- and much of that oppression was based on the general buzz certainot Jun 2014 #96

That didn't make the president give Education to Arne Duncan Doctor_J Jun 2014 #110

did he pick van jones before or after duncan? the left let the right swiftboat jones like certainot Jun 2014 #116

Perhaps the Dems should have had some enticements, like, you know, policies .... Scuba Jun 2014 #71

What a concept! woo me with science Jun 2014 #80

BS- you mean like fewer stupid wars, better regulation environment and healthcare? you mean certainot Jun 2014 #104

As opposed to the Third Way-fabricated world woo me with science Jun 2014 #81

garbage. it's like that because of money in the system. we can't get the money out certainot Jun 2014 #115

Ah, the problem presented as an excuse! woo me with science Jun 2014 #128

you might as well give up. if you want to wait till we certainot Jun 2014 #154

So 100% true. His lies led to the Dem disillusionment in 2010 and the Tea Party surge. Peregrine Took Jun 2014 #176

Hooey otohara Jun 2014 #216

I voted in 2010, and every election since 1978 - straight ticket Doctor_J Jun 2014 #217

K&R, Seems they are planning many more years of this PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #7

they couldn't have done it without all those rw talk radio stations attacking teachers certainot Jun 2014 #8

Though someone will likely get all upset and report rpannier Jun 2014 #10

Be curious if the Dems will now get push back from the Teacher's Unions rpannier Jun 2014 #11

There is already pushback, there is just no coverage of it in the media. madfloridian Jun 2014 #13

Nobody cares. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #14

+100000000000 woo me with science Jun 2014 #15

Brutal truth.... daleanime Jun 2014 #34

+1000 bbgrunt Jun 2014 #39

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #174

Bullshit. Obama is the most liberal president since FDR mwrguy Jun 2014 #16

So tell me why Arne Duncan, rightwing strikebreaker of teacher's unions vlakitti Jun 2014 #17

I agree with you on this one Fred Friendlier Jun 2014 #18

So Duncan's anti-Union comments are the result of the Republ;icans running the House rpannier Jun 2014 #20

You don't understand. The mere *presence* of Republicans anywhere nearby woo me with science Jun 2014 #32

heh. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2014 #73

President Obama could slit Arne Duncan's throat in the Oval office on live TV Fred Friendlier Jun 2014 #210

You would think you'd at least address the issue I brought up rpannier Jun 2014 #214

Republicans didn't force him to embrace corporate driven education reform yurbud Jun 2014 #24

No, this one is on the president and his policies. It's his, he owns it. madfloridian Jun 2014 #29

The President didn't appoint this judge. And I think it violates core Democratic msanthrope Jun 2014 #61

"The President didn't appoint this judge." woo me with science Jun 2014 #79

How is a ruling upholding the equal protection rights of children an assault on you? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #82

"upholding the equal protection rights of children" woo me with science Jun 2014 #90

You are repeating a lot of memes, but not addressing the ruling itself. msanthrope Jun 2014 #92

I love the propaganda tactic of always ending with a question, woo me with science Jun 2014 #101

Equivocations Aerows Jun 2014 #141

this is what I find objectionable about this ruling dsc Jun 2014 #118

All of kiva Jun 2014 #120

Certainly, it puts teachers on par with other workers, subject to the protections they have. msanthrope Jun 2014 #131

Wait, what?! knitter4democracy Jun 2014 #172

You know what I find illogical and troubling? Generally, the dismissal of a rights msanthrope Jun 2014 #191

Why do harp on the fact that teachers rights are ooposed to children's rights? Armstead Jun 2014 #199

The Republicans has NOTHING to do with Obama's appointment of Arne Duncan, bvar22 Jun 2014 #140

Yep rpannier Jun 2014 #25

TPP, NSA, Chained CPI, education privatization.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #30

you forgot..... daleanime Jun 2014 #35

Really?! My thoughts are that he is the best Republican since Nixon emsimon33 Jun 2014 #45

On labor? Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #49

The similarities between FDR and Obama do include..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #65

They gave Obama a ton in '08 fujiyama Jun 2014 #175

And yet the criminals still walk free. n/t DeSwiss Jun 2014 #185

Truman was probably the most liberal relative to the average JonLP24 Jun 2014 #68

He's not even as liberal as Nixon n/t n2doc Jun 2014 #98

Hell, even *Reagan* acknowledged that SS has nothing to do with the deficit. woo me with science Jun 2014 #107

No offense but are you insane??? Yes or no. n/t Peregrine Took Jun 2014 #177

this is about bad and pervert teachers in the public schools who keep their hopemountain Jun 2014 #21

Sure you are rpannier Jun 2014 #23

oh yes i am... bonafide hopemountain Jun 2014 #26

If you say so rpannier Jun 2014 #33

I simply do not believe you. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #53

Aren't we already there? chervilant Jun 2014 #155

Pretty much. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #156

Yeah, and fuck those teachers that want to own a home, have great health insurance...etc., etc. progressoid Jun 2014 #171

If there is no job security, good teachers will suffer as well. madfloridian Jun 2014 #28

Yes, it's the astroturf way of JimDandy Jun 2014 #57

I used to work for an agency that helped the homeless. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #31

Where I taught I had to run to the next door classroom, a 3rd grader had the teacher's arm... madfloridian Jun 2014 #36

The voters endorsed the idea of teacher tenure when Schwarzenegger put it up for a vote JDPriestly Jun 2014 #38

But here, tenure as a property right falls to the civil rights of children. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #60

It wasn't the union or tenure that kept "bad or pervert" teachers on. Live and Learn Jun 2014 #44

If school administrators did their jobs emsimon33 Jun 2014 #48

Administrators abelenkpe Jun 2014 #56

EXACTLY. Principals are not being held appropriately accountable for the quality of their schools. ancianita Jun 2014 #125

What perverts and bad teachers are defendants in the Vergara trial? Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #50

Never mind. He's just upchucking what Beck told him Doctor_J Jun 2014 #143

"i am very pro union - and yet..." brentspeak Jun 2014 #58

oh-oh. A Limbecile has joined DU Doctor_J Jun 2014 #139

"This is about bad and pervert teachers". SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #142

I suggest you take your own advice and "study the real issues" because you don't have a clue. Squinch Jun 2014 #178

what about the students and families in the low income or minority districts hopemountain Jun 2014 #215

Obama, Arne, & most of Dem leadership in Congress are almost daring Progressives to leave the party yurbud Jun 2014 #22

People cannot afford to pay for a teaching degree which is not worth as much in the marketplace JDPriestly Jun 2014 #27

Ending tenure for teachers is a good thing. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #37

and you can do that without ending tenure. It IS done in places where teachers have tenure. cali Jun 2014 #41

Well....that's not really the point of the lawsuit. Here, you have a claim of equal msanthrope Jun 2014 #64

why do you keep talking about "property"? Ken Burch Jun 2014 #108

On paper yes, in practice no. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #124

Good people won't apply for jobs where they can be fired at any time without cause Ken Burch Jun 2014 #164

Tenure is a property right, negotiated through contract. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #133

So is their salary ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #170

Generally, we've put property rights subordinate to civil rights msanthrope Jun 2014 #188

But this also makes it possible to fire good teachers who have relatively high salaries, Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #42

THIS ^^ BuelahWitch Jun 2014 #137

Maybe "good teachers" is exactly what the Third Way, and Republicans, don't want. Zorra Jun 2014 #160

Exactly how do you define "not teaching well?" Live and Learn Jun 2014 #46

Exactly.Key to it all: PRINCIPALS are responsible for whether teachers get tenure, NOT UNIONS. ancianita Jun 2014 #123

Utterly daft. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #51

Unions have lost enough ground. Or haven't you noticed? Enthusiast Jun 2014 #54

It's not about "ground"; two wrongs do not make a right. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #103

You have made your anti-union-in-general views known in the past brentspeak Jun 2014 #119

I strongly suggest passers by to read the links, rather than the so-called summary. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #122

But it is, anti-union. You're busted! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #152

+10000 Important message here: Always watch the patterns. woo me with science Jun 2014 #197

UP WITH THIS^ +1 right here n/t reddread Jun 2014 #204

FFS - this is why everyone in this country TBF Jun 2014 #66

... SammyWinstonJack Jun 2014 #76

"someone who will do it better" Union Scribe Jun 2014 #85

Even Idaho voted against that BeyondGeography Jun 2014 #89

It's enough to be able to fire for cause...incompetence IS cause. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #100

well and concisely said. bbgrunt Jun 2014 #135

As I said below... ancianita Jun 2014 #126

Wow, you're wrong on this issue too and obviously know nothing of the subject BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #144

It is very easy today to fire teachers who are deemed not to be teaching well. Squinch Jun 2014 #180

This makes me physically ill. Such ignorance and bullshit and bbgrunt Jun 2014 #40

+1 nt Live and Learn Jun 2014 #47

I agree. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #55

Corporate PROPAGANDA is usually ignorance and bullshit woo me with science Jun 2014 #94

+ 11111111111 Peregrine Took Jun 2014 #179

I find your stance of valuing a property right over the civil rights of children to be at odds msanthrope Jun 2014 #59

How is job security a property right? Ken Burch Jun 2014 #105

Tenure is a property right of the teachers. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #130

You keep trying to make this point and no one is biting BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #146

And yet...that is precisely the ruling. Others may wish to discuss anything but the msanthrope Jun 2014 #149

Really? Is the BOG now going to embrace union-busting too? Doctor_J Jun 2014 #165

K&R. The Third Way are liars and a menace to this nation. woo me with science Jun 2014 #72

As I noted upthread, upholding a property right over a civil right is at odds with msanthrope Jun 2014 #75

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. woo me with science Jun 2014 #77

How is upholding the equal protection of children a corporate assault? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #83

Because it's not the equal protection of children, silly. woo me with science Jun 2014 #87

Actually, I cannot recall a time when I valued a property right over a civil rights claim. msanthrope Jun 2014 #91

I had a Creationist tell me the same thing, woo me with science Jun 2014 #97

Yep, they're lying poisonous snakes, just like their close kin, the Republicans. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #159

I wish there was a brief summary of the decision, what exactly are the Obama people praising randys1 Jun 2014 #78

I blogged about a similar case in my journal...that was LAUSD msanthrope Jun 2014 #93

Unions need to do a better job dealing with bad teachers and protecting good ones BeyondGeography Jun 2014 #84

You don't seem to be familiar with the dismissal process. In most jurisdictions it is neither long, Squinch Jun 2014 #182

That's not the ruling here BeyondGeography Jun 2014 #184

In NYC those numbers ARE unheard of. It takes 2 unsatisfactory ratings. It can Squinch Jun 2014 #203

This thread is sickening. Union Scribe Jun 2014 #86

Putrid and revolting. I can't even believe this "discussion" is happening on a Dem forum. n/t Peregrine Took Jun 2014 #181

k and r. no text Stuart G Jun 2014 #88

This about firing bad teachers - how is that "union busting"? Chuck Finley Jun 2014 #95

You don't have to get rid of tenure to fire bad teachers. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #99

Twelve words that sum up the dishonesty of the Third Way talking points: woo me with science Jun 2014 #112

A judge just overturned contractual relationships teachers have with their unions. Due process. madfloridian Jun 2014 #102

Well, yes, as you have no right to bargain against the equal protection of others. msanthrope Jun 2014 #134

It will be overturned on appeal. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #157

It's about firing teachers for any reason or no reason Doctor_J Jun 2014 #166

No, it's about busting the union. knitter4democracy Jun 2014 #173

Me too. I am in the Californa roody Jun 2014 #192

But all of you teachers out there better vote Dem this fall, or it's all your fault!!111! Doctor_J Jun 2014 #109

Nah, they should vote non dem... thats the better of two bad choices / sarcasm uponit7771 Jun 2014 #113

"Two bad choices"? What about the Green Party? Chuck Finley Jun 2014 #132

3 bad choices then... point being, make the better of bad choices. Life is not always cut and dry uponit7771 Jun 2014 #138

...because you didn't MAKE the President do the right thing! FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #129

God damn all teacher haters. The public had better commit to them if they want commitment from them. ancianita Jun 2014 #114

Amen! Chiquitita Jun 2014 #121

Freeper judge. And Duncan's a Gingrich-republican anyway. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #117

Probably no coincidence that union busting Chicago mayor Rahm Emmanuel was his former chief of staff cascadiance Jun 2014 #136

LOL, they hardly needed to admit it Skittles Jun 2014 #145

Are there any democrats in office who are fighting this or are they all on the corporate payroll? liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #147

No, there aren't. This is Democratic policy. madfloridian Jun 2014 #163

Two corporate parties, one agenda. woo me with science Jun 2014 #186

Are All classrooms equal? mdohoney Jun 2014 #158

In NYC, it's done all the time. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #187

^ Wilms Jun 2014 #162

I'll write in my dog before I vote for any 3rd way POS ever again Teamster Jeff Jun 2014 #168

Brown vs. Board of Ed isn't Third Way. My suggestion to everyone msanthrope Jun 2014 #193

I hope you don't actually believe that the people pushing this give shit about minorities. Teamster Jeff Jun 2014 #209

Your dog would, without a doubt, be a far more productive and beneficial legislator than a Third Way Zorra Jun 2014 #200

Leo and Sydney Teamster Jeff Jun 2014 #208

Bwahaahaa! Sydney D. Dog it is then. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #218

A real progressive measure would be to expand tenure to all jobs Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #194

but they have a (D) by their names! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #198

How about the funding that was found unconstitutional Doremus Jun 2014 #206

we have a choice of two corporate parties: one with racists and religious nuts yurbud Jun 2014 #212