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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:11 AM Jun 2014

Thank you Senators Byrd, Kennedy, Leahy, Jeffords and all those who voted against the IWR [View all]

With the fall of Mosul, Iraq's second largest city to an Al-Qaeda splinter group- as in totally fallen to them- and 500,000 refugees fleeing the region, we should not soon forget those who spoke out against the obscene rush to war led by the bushies, but with plenty of dem complicity.

Iraq remains an unfolding disaster, a humanitarian tragedy that rivals anything under Saddam Hussein.

And just as a reminder, 39% of House Dems voted for the IWR with 61% voting against it. In the Senate a MAJORITY of dem Senators voted for it- 56%.

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We have heard a lot of bellicose rhetoric, but what are the facts? I am not asking for 100 percent proof. But the Administration is asking Congress to make a decision to go to war based on conflicting statements, angry assertions, and assumptions based on speculation.

The Administration has also been vague, evasive and contradictory about its plans. Speaking here in Washington, the President and his advisors continue to say this issue is about disarming Saddam Hussein; that he has made no decision to use force. But the President paints a different picture when he is on the campaign trail, where he often talks about regime change. The Vice President said on national television that "The President's made it clear that the goal of the United States is regime change. He said that on many occasions."

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But if we have learned anything from history, it is that wars are unpredictable. They can trigger consequences that none of us would intend or expect. Is it fair to the American people, who have become accustomed to wars waged from 30,000 feet lasting a few weeks with few casualties, that we not discuss what else could happen? We could be involved in urban warfare where large numbers of our troops are killed.

And what of the critical issue of rebuilding a post-Saddam Iraq, about which the Administration has said virtually nothing? As I have said over and over again, it is one thing to topple a regime, but it is equally important, and sometimes far more difficult, to rebuild a country to prevent it from becoming engulfed by factional fighting.

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0210/S00095.htm

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and here's some analysis about the fall of Mosul cali Jun 2014 #1
Most Congressional Democrats voted *against* war MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #2
that is not so. cali Jun 2014 #4
A majority voted against it MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #6
In the Senate, a majority voted for it. cali Jun 2014 #7
Only a handful of Dems voted for the war. Hillary, anybody? Hoppy Jun 2014 #10
that rivals anything under Saddam Hussein malaise Jun 2014 #3
You're absolutely right, Malaise. cali Jun 2014 #5
Iraq is now an unpredictable mess. What value did the war serve? Absolutely nothing. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #9
! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #17
+1 btrflykng9 Jun 2014 #34
That is some fascinating stuff right there. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #35
It gets better: DeSwiss Jun 2014 #37
After reading this I have to conclude that, Enthusiast Jun 2014 #38
Charlie Hatcher! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #39
The working class only invest their blood. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #40
Yeah. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #41
Iraq was a relatively stable country under Saddam Hussein. The people had HC, Education. And get sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #25
Excellent post! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #42
51 years ago yesterday President Kennedy chided Bob Byrd .. MinM Jun 2014 #8
cali Diclotican Jun 2014 #11
no! no! heaven05 Jun 2014 #12
kicking those dems who voted for this obscenity cali Jun 2014 #13
Iraq is a horrific mess. democrank Jun 2014 #14
K & R ctsnowman Jun 2014 #15
Saddam was contained by us and maintained order. EEO Jun 2014 #16
K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #18
LOL! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #43
Although Hussein did a lot of horrific stuff, Vattel Jun 2014 #19
But we were supposed to believe the shit about the mushroom cloud. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #44
Yeah, it was a cheap slogan that had no connection to reality. Vattel Jun 2014 #46
This is true. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #50
Regime Change was the way to disrupt the balance of power in the Middle East between Political and DhhD Jun 2014 #20
The vote: joshcryer Jun 2014 #21
the IWR didn't give Bush any authority or even the power to do what he ultimately did bigtree Jun 2014 #22
YOU actually think you know more than Senators Leahy, Byrd and Kennedy cali Jun 2014 #23
You refuted nothing written by that poster. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #31
I lived through that era, began my internet activism a few months before that vote bigtree Jun 2014 #36
That is how I remember it. yallerdawg Jun 2014 #30
Bigtree is right mylye2222 Jun 2014 #24
Tikrit just fell Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #26
Out of curiosity, were you able to bring yourself to vote for John Kerry in 2004? Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #27
No. I am a French citizen. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #28
I did. the past is not always prologue. cali Jun 2014 #47
Yep. I believe that Kerry has evolved from his pro-war vote, as has Hillary, Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #49
I see evidence of the latter but I don't see evidence of Hillary cali Jun 2014 #52
Were those who voted for the killing bamboozled or politically expedient? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #29
I have become so cynical that I would say every vote taken was out of political expediency. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #33
bringing up the IWR can only help the republicans! Commie! :sarcasm: MisterP Jun 2014 #32
the problem is most people blame Bush for Iraq , this is why Hillary JI7 Jun 2014 #45
"Four years ago I promised to end the war in Iraq. We did. (Cheers, applause.) rug Jun 2014 #48
@AP: BREAKING: Al-Qaida-inspired group says it will march on Baghdad after seizing 2 key Sunni citie Hissyspit Jun 2014 #51
thanks for what? Leme Jun 2014 #53
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