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Zorra

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18. Jury results

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:47 PM

Jun 2014

On Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:32 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Truvia sweetener a powerful pesticide; scientists shocked as fruit flies die in less than a week
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025082523

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Naturalnews.com is not a trustable source on anything. Rather, it is a sales vehicle for supplements and bad health advice. Many posts linked to that site have been hidden on DU for that reason. This one should be hidden as well.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:43 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Scientist vs scientist. Like spy vs spy. Let 'em fight it out with cites from various sites.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I agree that naturalnews usually horse pucky, I've seen lots of other threads here that were "science" backed up with dangerous multi-national corporate poop.

At least truvia is harmless, compared to the deadly poisons the advocates for Monsanto are trying to sell us here.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Perhaps a dictionary is needed to figure out what is insensitive, rude or over the top?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Naturalnews.com may or may not be a trustworthy source. I don't know. Make the case that it isn't, and why the studies cited are flawed. Here's your chance to instruct instead of hitting the alert button like a spastic monkey.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
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Truvia sweetener a powerful pesticide; scientists shocked as fruit flies die in less than a week [View all] MindMover Jun 2014 OP

Playing Word Games is Essentially How They Always WIN MagickMuffin Jun 2014 #1

Not peer reviewed articles....sorry.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #2

I used lead paints as a child... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #8

Well that explains THAT! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #12

And plenty of cigarette smokers are also alive. So what? pnwmom Jun 2014 #49

I tried truvia had a horrible taste... Historic NY Jun 2014 #59

Not the same thing. TeeYiYi Jun 2014 #118

PLOS One is a peer reviwed journal. LisaL Jun 2014 #133

Yes, I notice it says that up at the top of the article at the link. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #152

So long as it is profitable, isn't that all that matters? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #3

Absolutely NOT ... Europeans are too smart ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #5

Stevia is not used in Europe? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #28

I understand nothing ... we are talking about TRUVIA ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #32

You do understand you CAN buy Erithrytol in a health food store...not just IN Truvia? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #37

Beware psyllium husks are extremely dangerous to your health and well being ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #38

Water is extremely dangerous to your health and well being if drunk in sufficient quantities! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #39

Life as we know it ends in death ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #47

Exactly! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #83

Finally we agree on something ... albeit a little grim ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #150

According to Wikipedia, Truvia is available in Europe. Chiyo-chichi Jun 2014 #56

Blow me down with a feather ... probably for not much longer ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #57

And what on earth would give you THAT idea? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #84

naturalnews.com is not a valid source for anything. MineralMan Jun 2014 #4

I think the poster put in two links ... pbmus Jun 2014 #7

Yes. The other link is not a peer reviewed journal. MineralMan Jun 2014 #9

I would carefully read all of the information about the other link .... pbmus Jun 2014 #10

Thanks for the advice. MineralMan Jun 2014 #13

When you get cancer like I have , you carefully review everything ... pbmus Jun 2014 #15

I'm sorry to hear that. Food in the US, it is hard to even try to eat a healthy diet or feed it to sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #71

No, it's not misleading. LisaL Jun 2014 #135

You are completely wrong. LisaL Jun 2014 #134

Thank you. As I said, DUers are extremely smart at doing their own research and don't sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #16

Oh, you are protected from information very well ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #17

Yes, I know, which is why I said, 'we don't need to be protected' because we are capable sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #21

You are wise and thoughtful ... thank you for being a part of DU ..nt pbmus Jun 2014 #23

I think it is up to us to discern whether THIS article is valid. We ARE old enough and experienced sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #14

Thank you for your comment. MineralMan Jun 2014 #19

Yes, you have successfully hidden enough information to ban the poster ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #20

Me? None of those alerts were mine, nor was I on any MineralMan Jun 2014 #22

I stand corrected ... DU is an open forum designed to intelligently pbmus Jun 2014 #24

Thank you. You apparently jumped to an incorrect conclusion. MineralMan Jun 2014 #26

I have jumped many times, lately to reading and understanding a direct pbmus Jun 2014 #129

Is that supposed to mean something that refutes anything I said? In fact if anything, it confirms sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #27

No fool like an old fool, as the saying goes. REP Jun 2014 #40

I like to err on the side of caution when it comes to health issues and foods where there is any sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #46

Just excused myself from this jury. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #6

I'll give it a try next time I get an infestation herding cats Jun 2014 #11

Jury results Zorra Jun 2014 #18

Truvia also makes monkeys spastic! jberryhill Jun 2014 #132

"Natural News" has ZERO credibilibilty. Archae Jun 2014 #25

Indeed. One only has to look at the ads in the MineralMan Jun 2014 #29

Like psyllium husks for use as a fiber ... omg, whats next .... pbmus Jun 2014 #35

Ever seen any of the ADS on DU? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #36

DU ads are served from Google. MineralMan Jun 2014 #41

It's a business, isn't it? As for DU, I am a star member also, but have taken the trouble to look sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #48

Archae did ... pbmus Jun 2014 #50

That information is about the sources. That it can be used as an insecticide isn't very encouraging sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #53

I would definitely refine your search to information pbmus Jun 2014 #55

Yes, that is good advice as when money is involved here, we get all sorts of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #58

Thank you for your thoughtful research and wise decision ... pbmus Jun 2014 #60

How sad. As I recall DU was opposed to Corps like Monsanto from its inception. In fact it was here sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #64

Not true....all you needed to do was go to Wikipedia VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #87

I went way further than Wikipedia and found out that the Manufacturers lost a Civil Lawsuit sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #139

So? Most of the produce we eat today is not natural....in that WE have always modified it.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #155

water is a powerful insecticide.... mike_c Jun 2014 #76

Bt is not safe in the quantities we are spraying and ingesting it .. pbmus Jun 2014 #119

I'm sorry, but you're simply incorrect.... mike_c Jun 2014 #153

I am old enough to have friends who farmed ... and some are still my friends .. pbmus Jun 2014 #180

I suppose we'll simply have to agree to disagree.... mike_c Jun 2014 #181

if a fruit fly gets no fruit...also known as sugar....they die....Stevia is not a sugar..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #86

Exactly ... well said ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #126

The Plos editorial board consists of USA doctors pbmus Jun 2014 #30

So are you saying the product is safe for human consumption? Is there anything that counters sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #31

The Plos editorial board consists of pbmus Jun 2014 #34

I'm doing my best to get some answers from those who have attacked the source, regarding the sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #42

Because of your stature in DU, you will probably not get challenged ... pbmus Jun 2014 #44

Lol, well I am pretty immune to attempts to avoid a topic by making fun of the questioner. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #51

This hubris thinking on DU is especially apparent pbmus Jun 2014 #52

Many have noticed this phenomenon of people assigning themselves to the role of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #67

Someone seems to be looking OUT for those that want to spread false information.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #91

I notice you provided no link so we can decide how credible that source is. But, I see it does not sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #138

You can do exactly what I did and what you SHOULD have done BEFORE you spread these hair on fire lie VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #158

That was in the OP, did you read the links in the OP? Are you a supporter of genetically altered sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #164

Its not "genetically modified" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #167

How about ones that make fun of you after they prove you wrong? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #94

Please alert on that person making fun of you ... pbmus Jun 2014 #120

I haven't had that experience. Perhaps you have? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #122

Because some people present themselves as some sort of expert....and they they prove theyd VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #159

Yes there is... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #89

especially if it is from any website not authorized by you or wikipedia... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #121

At least my link provides the source of the data.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #160

Yes I AM as the FDA says so.....are you goign to say THEY are unreliable now too? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #157

If they flies have no sugar to eat....they die....doesn't mean its poisonous! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33

Sorry, they flies are not sugar eaters, they die, and it does mean sugar is poison ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #127

fruit flies eat fruit....which ARE carbs Which ARE sugars.....and YES sugar has levels that are VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #161

Yep, one of two sites I can think of... GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #43

And the Cubbies are gonna win this year ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #45

Yes. They'll win roughly 40% of the games they play this season. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #54

Wait til next century. They're going to kick ass! n/t ieoeja Jun 2014 #62

Whatever. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #88

What sites do you trust? I have done a quick scan for info on Truvia due to this OP. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #65

the ingredients Stevia and...a journalist would probably know to look up ingredients...not tradename VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #90

Sites that have actual peer-reviewed research. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #99

Plos is a peer reviewed site with over 5800 editors ... pbmus Jun 2014 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #145

That's nice. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #147

NOT ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #148

Well it's always wise not the the word of any ONE source. As I said before, DUers are pretty smart sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #124

You are reading way to much and critical thinking is your strong suit ... pbmus Jun 2014 #128

Lol, well if there are people here so sensitive that they cannot accept facts, there's not much sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #136

You are really a gem to DU ... thanks again for your acceptance of facts ..nt pbmus Jun 2014 #141

Thank you, and so are you. We need more discussion and less 'shut it DOWN' nonsense to keep sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #143

And that is one hearty AMEN ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #151

Nobody is "monitoring" anyone. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #146

This is one of the most highly monitored sites on the internet ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #149

That would be awesome if true. ieoeja Jun 2014 #61

"Natural News" is known to burst peoples' hair into flames. chrisa Jun 2014 #63

LOL ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #72

Pardon me for being the turd in the punchbowl. Chocolate can kills dogs. Yet we eat it all the time. dballance Jun 2014 #66

Yup, that site is horrendously overadvertised with health nut stuff .... pbmus Jun 2014 #68

Too bad the discussion wasn't more about the product than about the source. There were two sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #69

You are way to thoughtful for DU ... pbmus Jun 2014 #70

Mmm so their claims WERE false. I only scanned the info, so missed that a lawsuit had been won sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #73

come on you are blowing it waaaaay out of proportion here... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #92

I haven't even done a bowl and you are making me howl here ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #116

Not sure what that comment means so could you post it again and rephrase it? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #125

Cargill. I think that may say a whole lot! nt WhiteTara Jun 2014 #74

of course.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #95

LOL. Naturalnews... SidDithers Jun 2014 #75

Yep, it is full of health nut stuff ... pbmus Jun 2014 #77

It's full of horseshit medical woo... SidDithers Jun 2014 #78

Can you point me to some of that right wing conspiracy stuff ... pbmus Jun 2014 #79

Here's a couple headlines... SidDithers Jun 2014 #80

The first headline was written by the guardian, forbes and others before pbmus Jun 2014 #93

As I said, Adams' defenders are hilarious... SidDithers Jun 2014 #96

So you reject 98 % healthy related information because of pbmus Jun 2014 #103

If you think you're getting actual health related information from naturalnews... SidDithers Jun 2014 #104

Telling another member they are wrong is an alert offense ... pbmus Jun 2014 #109

Sure they have... SidDithers Jun 2014 #110

and telling someone they have "paid hubris" is also banning material ... pbmus Jun 2014 #111

try Wikipedia.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #97

So ... pbmus Jun 2014 #98

SO??? That's the "egregious" ingredient in Truvia you all are talking about.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #101

Quite frankly I do not care if you ingest truvia everyday for the next 50 yrs ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #112

frankly I don't care if you believe bullshit from bullshit websites....I am not going to let it VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #114

LMAO...you are tooo funny ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #115

The trouble with Natural News... LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #178

I have learned a lot from this thread. So thanks to the OP for introducing us to this product and sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #140

And that's a problem why? JoeyT Jun 2014 #81

+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #82

There is another link to the research ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #85

and they both suck! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #102

The editorial board on Plos has more education than many could get in a million lifetimes ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #105

and hawking this bullshit? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #107

And? I fail to see your point. LisaL Jun 2014 #137

OHHHHHHH so its the fruit flies we are concerned about not humans! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #162

This has become such an interesting thread where I have have learned so much I didn't know before. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #144

not even basically....that's EXACTLY what it does.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #100

Now that is a true statement that I can agree with ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #117

awesome d_r Jun 2014 #106

From the PLOS ONE article ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #108

Great research, keep reading ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #113

interesting study, such a boring read. perhaps the company will have 2 markets for their product. Sunlei Jun 2014 #130

Does it work on mosquitos? jberryhill Jun 2014 #131

OK, Just for the information defacto7 Jun 2014 #142

The civil suits mentioned in this thread concerned ad use of "Natural", not safety of consumption. pinto Jun 2014 #154

Thanks for that link. So the OP link that a few people are upset about was CORRECT. Truvia can be sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #156

but it does NOT mean it is harmful to humans....in fact the FDA says that it is NOT harmful VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #163

Genetically altered products are NOT natural. And from the research I have done so far, no one knows sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #165

it is NOT "genetically" altered.....you need to read what you are writing about.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #166

I read the claims made in the lawsuit against Cargill for false advertising, in which the sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #172

as I said...."not natural" is not the same thing as "genetically modified" I HAVE read the article VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #173

As I said, the lawsuit stated that the the product contained genetically modified sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #174

and I have told you what "genetically modified" means..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #175

I will take the court's description of what 'genitically modified' means. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #179

The use and misuse of "natural" has become widespread. Some natural food markets have been sued. pinto Jun 2014 #169

Words like "powerful" and "shocked" are not used in scientific research. Avalux Jun 2014 #168

Here you go. fifthoffive Jun 2014 #170

What a surprise! One of Frankenstein's monsters gets discovered early. nolabels Jun 2014 #171

Use friggen natural sugar in moderation HockeyMom Jun 2014 #176

wish I'd had some Truvia dem in texas Jun 2014 #177

Stevia IS sold unadulterated shanti Jun 2014 #182