Fine. I'll say it. I won't vote for HIllary if she's the nominee.

[stupidicus]

395. I'm not far from where you are

and may get there if that proverbial last straw materializes.

You're entirely correct imo -- there should be a point for all of us where pragmatism can make the idea of having and holding "principals" rather meaningless and more an exercise in paying lip service to them or a violation of them, kinda the way so many rightwingers today do with the Bible (well, the New Testament anyway) and its content for example.

Sometimes I think things may have to get a lot worse before they can ever get better, and this decades long slow march rightward by faux dems/libs in DC may not be stopped or reversed in any other way but through a showing of disapproval in the manner you intend to pursue.

And as we all do or should know, the being taken for granted (as exemplified by many responders to this post) due to fear of rightwingnuttery and whatnot the good cop/bad cop game in DC has resulted in, inevitably has the same result in the voter/pol relationship that it does in out interpersonal ones when the benefits stemming from such a relationship are insufficient, except to the co-dependent/enabler types. That's why the dem enthusiasm erodes when what could or should have been crashes into what is.

I've thought since the creation of the Tea Party that it was all about an infusion of nuttery designed for and intended to push the already off center ideological dividing line in DC further rightward, and it's the fear of them you can read throughout this post that that gave the good cop/bad cop game new life and vigor it would have otherwise lacked.