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209. I'm looking at this as a voter

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:03 PM

Jun 2014

. . . I can safely guess that there will be a republican challenger. That's going to be what we're up against.

Unless the sky cracks open or something dramatic happens and transforms politics as we know it, I don't believe there will be a viable independent candidate. I can see several scenarios where we might run with one and certainly there's a chance they could make it, but I'm not seeing the value in elevating some ideal over our nominee when there isn't even a name associated with all of that.

I don't take our Democratic coalition for granted. It's tough to elevate ideals into legislation and you need some reliable vehicle to get your initiatives to the level where they're even being considered. That takes time and effort which has to be self-evident for regular folks like me to have any faith in.

This is going to be a weird election. Everyone knows that the end game is beating the republican. All contenders on our side of the aisle, independent or whatever, will be measured against that need and expectation.

Am I the only one getting antsy waiting for a Dem rival to Hillary to step up and impress all of us with their ability to win that race?

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bigtree Jun 2014 OP

Some of them live for that sharp_stick Jun 2014 #1

It's called coveting the struggle LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #8

Um, no. The worst nightmare is the transition of the United States Maedhros Jun 2014 #22

Who would that be? randys1 Jun 2014 #28

The CryptoRepublicans who live under his bed Fred Friendlier Jun 2014 #170

Yes who are those mainstream Demos who are so eager to usher in a Nat.Sec. State. ? lumpy Jun 2014 #38

Obama for one. Feinstein for another. Maedhros Jun 2014 #42

So you say. To what degree does Obama and Feinstein push for a "National Security State." lumpy Jun 2014 #45

Surveillance of citizens not suspected of a crime. Maedhros Jun 2014 #48

Have you ever actually seen a Military State? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #89

Wiretap RobinA Jun 2014 #91

After 8 years of a right-wing bush regime, 2008 was quite a change bhikkhu Jun 2014 #224

Internet malcontents. Primed to complain. Never happy. FSogol Jun 2014 #11

Don't worry I know I will leave DU and the party if Hillary is on the ticket Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #2

... LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #13

Somebody being "Tombstoned"? riqster Jun 2014 #78

Well, you might want to start planning, because MineralMan Jun 2014 #16

I am sure you all will be very happy with her like that is fine Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #26

It's your vote and your choice. MineralMan Jun 2014 #29

I am right there with you, the only thing worse than a mainstream corp Dem is any and all randys1 Jun 2014 #33

Better take your marbles and hit the road now. Not much is going to change in the next decade lumpy Jun 2014 #41

ALL of us have standards....we are Democrats not Republicans... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #153

Well from what I am reading here that is in doubt. Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #252

People should've learned the hard way RainDog Jun 2014 #43

That Nonhlanhla Jun 2014 #61

Oh wow JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #76

I can get as aggravated as the next person RainDog Jun 2014 #130

That's interesting. The idea of vote swapping. Xyzse Jun 2014 #123

It was a strategy started online during that election RainDog Jun 2014 #128

I see. Yeah, I can definitely understand. Xyzse Jun 2014 #134

Lots of vote swapping here in Canada laundry_queen Jun 2014 #243

Thank you RainDog! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #237

if you really feel that way you would have already left JI7 Jun 2014 #59

Why do you keep coming back?...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #60

Why wait? we can do it Jun 2014 #64

Don't let the door hit ya IronLionZion Jun 2014 #66

If that is the way you go, then you will have to be satisfied with what ever comes from the right liberal N proud Jun 2014 #86

Well said. freshwest Jun 2014 #221

Why wait? Hekate Jun 2014 #99

toodles! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #152

What's the other one? "How can we miss you if you don't go away?" freshwest Jun 2014 #223

Nice self-referential screen name you got there... baldguy Jun 2014 #203

You better believe it! zappaman Jun 2014 #227

Uh, it's congressional midterms this year. The presidential election is two years from now. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #3

It is the responsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #4

One cannot hold a candidate who is not elected accountable for MineralMan Jun 2014 #6

And, it's their responsibility to convince the voters to vote for them. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #12

Of course it is. It's also the responsibility of election activists. MineralMan Jun 2014 #14

Probably reading a good book. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #17

You will do as you see fit. MineralMan Jun 2014 #21

I'm on board for whomever our candidate is.. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #25

Thank you! We're counting on it! MineralMan Jun 2014 #30

and when people DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #247

you have it backwards n/t reddread Jun 2014 #53

Do you seriously think Republicans are more accountable to the people than Democrats? baldguy Jun 2014 #205

I think that public servants are to held accountable by the people. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #219

But do you seriously think Republicans ARE MORE accountable? baldguy Jun 2014 #220

How does "all" public servants should be accountable to the people sound? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #246

"Should be" is a wish. "Should be" is a dream. "Should be" is a fantesy. baldguy Jun 2014 #248

Indeed. You are correct in that. MineralMan Jun 2014 #5

well i think it's crazy to completely dislike a candidate, complain nonstop m-lekktor Jun 2014 #7

Well, we are Democratic Underground. We kind of presume you voted for Obama if you're here. n/t moriah Jun 2014 #249

I've been told Hillary is unbeatable against a repub, so its irrelevant. morningfog Jun 2014 #9

Finally, someone who gets it! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #117

You don't vote you takes your chances....I for one will put anyone on DU who doesn't vote for VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #154

I'll buy you a drink too. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #207

I just hope that when Hillary is the nominee that dem8crats and DUers can unite around her. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #10

Exactly! WIN first, bitch later. ancianita Jun 2014 #23

Except as we've seen the past few years...... vi5 Jun 2014 #36

Well, I'm only hoping for more unity of spirit around here, not uniformity. After all, it IS 2014. ancianita Jun 2014 #52

"Independents" meaning "not dependable" Democrats VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #155

I am not expecting to lose....why are you? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #156

Hope so too. joshcryer Jun 2014 #58

Now this is not a post I expected from you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #143

I meant if she won the primaries. I am all for a primary. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #144

The OP is about the inevitability of the HRC coronation. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #145

see....there you go using the word "coronation" to describe the Democratic process..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #157

...likewise the Party Politicians shouldn't complain leftstreet Jun 2014 #15

LOL ... Draw up a list for a purge! 1000words Jun 2014 #18

purge yourself bigtree Jun 2014 #20

There is no nominee as of yet Skidmore Jun 2014 #19

The primaries are a different thing altogether. MineralMan Jun 2014 #32

I'll certainly vote, but I also won't pretend to know who deserves or does not deserve to complain. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #24

If they DON'T vote for the Democrat who wins the Primary...they do NOT deserve to complain on DU VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #158

Damn straight. riqster Jun 2014 #27

Damn, is it this time already? nt BootinUp Jun 2014 #31

No, it's not really, but some folks just have to MineralMan Jun 2014 #35

"Anyone has declared his or her candidacy." Chan790 Jun 2014 #47

I think they are responding to this type of shit 2pooped2pop Jun 2014 #54

Roe v. Wade is one SCOTUS vote from being overturned or limited Gothmog Jun 2014 #34

This should be an OP. riqster Jun 2014 #80

It goes WITHOUT Saying.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #160

We are in an age where even those things need to be said. riqster Jun 2014 #228

Since the POTUS nominates the USSC justice and the Senate stopped Rand's national personhood bills, freshwest Jun 2014 #244

I will vote for who standingtall Jun 2014 #37

Really, if you don't vote I don't think you have a legitimate gripe. Rex Jun 2014 #39

Exactly bigtree! nt sheshe2 Jun 2014 #40

Cold But Fair, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #44

Agree entirely with you, sir. spooky3 Jun 2014 #127

Making threats on a partisan site... now that is hilarious nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #46

But in the meantime lets piss and moan and look like losers right? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #162

Come on. H2O Man Jun 2014 #49

I've always believed this bigtree Jun 2014 #50

And the evisceration of those rights are nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jun 2014 #75

would have been much worse under a continuing republican regime bigtree Jun 2014 #92

Shhhhh! zappaman Jun 2014 #98

I prefer to live in the here and now nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #132

the truth is just a "cute narrative" now? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #163

I live in a state where I am free to vote my conscience. bvar22 Jun 2014 #51

Well, Hillary spent 15 years or so in Arkansas Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #57

AND if you don't vote for the Democrat....I can ignore the shit out of you! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #165

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #193

To hear the party loyalists tell it, JoeyT Jun 2014 #55

Oh yeah, you can "complain" all you want. It's the disrespect that comes from posts like Cha Jun 2014 #56

Exactly!..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #166

The "loyalists".. Cha Jun 2014 #179

Yeah being called a "loyal Democrat" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #184

It's an insult of the hightest order 'cause Cha Jun 2014 #187

Responsibility Nonhlanhla Jun 2014 #62

There are so many things that are laugh worthy nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #70

I am not American-born Nonhlanhla Jun 2014 #149

I grew up in Mexico, and nope, we are not that essential nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #150

Funny how YOU are the only one saying that! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #167

War is no laughing matter Nonhlanhla Jun 2014 #191

War is no laughing matter nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #197

Some are filled with such anger and hate.... NCTraveler Jun 2014 #63

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. woo me with science Jun 2014 #67

Bo *is* adorable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #68

That's why it works! woo me with science Jun 2014 #84

Actually...we are pretty much there nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #131

Yes, we are. woo me with science Jun 2014 #137

I should run nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #138

Excellent post. JEB Jun 2014 #226

Did you see this OP by rhett o rick? woo me with science Jun 2014 #238

Yes I did, thanks. Absolutely on point. JEB Jun 2014 #241

Let me add another data point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #251

The freedom over my body means Diddly Squat to you I suppose.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #169

you've not clicked on even ONE substantive post of mine bigtree Jun 2014 #74

Says the one that is posting that HRC is innevitable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #173

I will never get over how ridiculous the idea is treestar Jun 2014 #69

Exactly Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #120

You have nailed it. JazzFanInTX Jun 2014 #124

YUP! That is why I finally started posting after lurking for many years....I literally thought VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #174

Okay, I had to look up "freepers" :) JazzFanInTX Jun 2014 #198

that's what I have been trying to say.....they are EXACTLY like them! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #172

When purists on the Left throw the party under the bus... MohRokTah Jun 2014 #71

The Dems don't have a single base. They have several. riqster Jun 2014 #81

And purists on the Left are not one of them. eom MohRokTah Jun 2014 #93

When we win we also move further right. Moving right seems to be the endgame no matter what TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #200

That's a complete falsehood MohRokTah Jun 2014 #206

You realize the ACA nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #253

then you won't complain when we don't support your further-to-the-right candidate, right? mike_c Jun 2014 #204

The purist left has already stated they will not support the most likely nominee MohRokTah Jun 2014 #208

I do not recall any primaries being held nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #212

. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #215

One of how many of posters nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #216

That is what a Leftist Purist looks like MohRokTah Jun 2014 #239

Alas the nation has been on a rightward trend since Reagan nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #240

I disagree MohRokTah Jun 2014 #245

You can disagree all you want nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #250

WTH! Howler Jun 2014 #72

censoring you because I don't think you should come here and bitch and moan bigtree Jun 2014 #73

I never said who or what i was going to vote for or against bigtree. Howler Jun 2014 #79

in the general election, it's either the republican or the Democrat, unless there's some maverick bigtree Jun 2014 #87

Actually there are always other alternatives on the ballot Bigtree just like in life. Howler Jun 2014 #95

alternatives, like spam is to ham bigtree Jun 2014 #97

Dude! ROFL!!!! Howler Jun 2014 #100

you don't need to go back that far in history bigtree Jun 2014 #102

NO Howler Jun 2014 #106

a viable alternative equipped or positioned to beat the republican in the general bigtree Jun 2014 #110

She'd done worst than that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #148

Says you.....sour grapes much? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #177

exactly Nadine Brzezinski! Howler Jun 2014 #233

Well Howler Jun 2014 #101

who's 'stifling' your speech? That's a strawman. I just don't want to hear the wailing bigtree Jun 2014 #104

Nope. Howler Jun 2014 #107

I obviously don't have that power bigtree Jun 2014 #111

LOL! Howler Jun 2014 #113

that's it isn't it? You want to define yourself based on candidates who haven't even declared bigtree Jun 2014 #118

Excuse Me Bigtree. ROFl!!! Howler Jun 2014 #133

you want to rant on and on about how bad the Democratic party is bigtree Jun 2014 #139

Free Speech is about Govt interference in your speech my friend...not the consequences of it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #176

huh? Howler Jun 2014 #234

All this whining about people who don't like Hillary - kinda weird. djean111 Jun 2014 #77

most of the whining about Hillary is weird bigtree Jun 2014 #83

From what I am reading, people who dislike Hillary just do not like her politics, djean111 Jun 2014 #85

I take your point. Hell knows there's plently to criticize with these career politicians bigtree Jun 2014 #90

You do remember 2006 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #135

she's inevitable, unless a rival gets going. How long do you think they can wait? bigtree Jun 2014 #140

Same talk as 2006 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #142

so who plays Obama the insurgent? There was another dynamic working for Obama, as you know bigtree Jun 2014 #146

What part of earliest 2015 are you missing? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #147

you're going to be a jerk and rag on me for bringing a little lightness and humanity to this forum bigtree Jun 2014 #159

You claim she is innevitable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #161

no, no, nadin - take some time to read what I wrote above. You forfeited this debate with foolishnes bigtree Jun 2014 #168

So you call mature voters juvenile? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #171

tell you what, I told you I'm through bigtree Jun 2014 #178

Cool, please do nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #181

Yes, yes you did nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #190

You were the one calling it a "coronation" upthread! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #185

exactly bigtree Jun 2014 #186

Not sure who you are talking about but they sound like a bully!!! zappaman Jun 2014 #195

If we support her....why do YOU want to shut up the supporters on Democratic Underground VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #183

Apparently some think the Ted Cruz years will be even better BainsBane Jun 2014 #82

Yeah, that'll show Hillary! treestar Jun 2014 #121

As one of 'the people' I can't sit back in an ivory tower for perfection to save the day for me: freshwest Jun 2014 #225

They should have somewhere to express their opinions The Second Stone Jun 2014 #88

Isn't it a bit early to be proclaiming "Hillary or the Highway"? djean111 Jun 2014 #94

Actually, those who embrace Hillary's ... bvar22 Jun 2014 #96

I thought I was clear that those that dislike The Second Stone Jun 2014 #108

That is most hilariously and enlighteningly over the top. Thanks for being so very djean111 Jun 2014 #116

I see that you appreciated my post as it was intended. The Second Stone Jun 2014 #136

fuck that nonense bowens43 Jun 2014 #103

True. And people who vote to nominate a Third Way candidate don't deserve to complain Zorra Jun 2014 #105

that's the rub bigtree Jun 2014 #109

You say "building on and improving the Democratic coalition" Maedhros Jun 2014 #196

no, I meant in terms of policy bigtree Jun 2014 #199

Will you at least concede that the "our party's candidate, right or wrong!" tactic Maedhros Jun 2014 #201

I'm looking at this as a voter bigtree Jun 2014 #209

If this was oh June of 2015... you would have some reason nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #211

This is what I've been saying for years now. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #112

And you are right. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #114

Now we have to vote for who you tell us? SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #115

vote for who you want bigtree Jun 2014 #119

If your Dem nominee is just Republican light... SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #122

actually, many of the folks we celebrated as 'liberals' in the past have been thrown under the bus bigtree Jun 2014 #129

When did Hillary win the nomination?` nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #164

The whole sales pitch is that she is a lock and unbeatable TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #182

Same sales pitch as 2006 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #189

I disagree with that assesement on two grounds. StevieM Jun 2014 #213

Oh people did nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #214

OK, I'll retract the word "anyone." That was a poor word choice on my part. StevieM Jun 2014 #218

The inevitable talk started in 2006 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #222

Hear, hear! woo me with science Jun 2014 #242

Of course you can do whatever you want Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #125

Would you consider editing your title to start off with "Fine."? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #126

Democrats, you can't like them all dem in texas Jun 2014 #141

why we lose. eat your peas + grow up. pansypoo53219 Jun 2014 #151

You said it! Sancho Jun 2014 #175

I agree, but that won't stop them. Luckily most intelligent people know what is at stake, and will lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #180

that's just it isn't it bigtree Jun 2014 #188

That is right because they realize there is a difference between republicans and Democrats. Nothing lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #210

We are nearly two and a half years away from voting for our party's nominee frazzled Jun 2014 #192

You're right, but DU is not reality. Drama and some information or inspiration, only. freshwest Jun 2014 #231

We'll step aside and watch the vote for a centrist corporatist warhawk... L0oniX Jun 2014 #194

Say "AMEN!" somebody. baldguy Jun 2014 #202

Not to worry, I'll be first in line to vote for Elizabeth Warren fo sho! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #217

Now that is a devisive post. JEB Jun 2014 #229

Our party does not have a nominee. djean111 Jun 2014 #230

How did the 2006 HRC coronation work out for you? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #232

for me? worked out fine bigtree Jun 2014 #235

Agree, but, let's hold on this for a year. Let's pass the Midterm first (nt) question everything Jun 2014 #236

locking bigtree Jun 2014 #254