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Showing Original Post only (View all)The 8 Biggest Lies Men's Rights Activists Spread About Women [View all]
1. Feminists hate men, and are out to turn the world against them.
Misandry is too often employed as a catch-all to belittle women's arguments surrounding the patriarchy. But, as Shailene Woodley recently discovered, feminism has nothing to do with hating men. Feminists don't like misogyny and sexism, and sometimes men may be proponents of both, unwitting or otherwise. It's important to recognize this when it happens. see link for additional info.
Misandry is too often employed as a catch-all to belittle women's arguments surrounding the patriarchy. But, as Shailene Woodley recently discovered, feminism has nothing to do with hating men. Feminists don't like misogyny and sexism, and sometimes men may be proponents of both, unwitting or otherwise. It's important to recognize this when it happens. see link for additional info.
2. Feminists are hypocrites, because chivalry is a female privilege.
There's a popular meme that says feminists call differential treatment chivalry when we like it and sexism when we don't.
This is false. The supposed "perks" of being a lady are largely the result of "benevolent sexism," a set of behaviors shown to be harmful to both women and social activism specifically because people often fail to see them for what they really are: practices steeped in restrictive stereotypes of masculinity and femininity that hinder gender equality by keeping men in a position of dominance over women. see link for additional info.
There's a popular meme that says feminists call differential treatment chivalry when we like it and sexism when we don't.
This is false. The supposed "perks" of being a lady are largely the result of "benevolent sexism," a set of behaviors shown to be harmful to both women and social activism specifically because people often fail to see them for what they really are: practices steeped in restrictive stereotypes of masculinity and femininity that hinder gender equality by keeping men in a position of dominance over women. see link for additional info.
3. The courts are biased against men and in favor of women in custody disputes.
One of the biggest sticking points for the MRA community is the argument that the courts actively discriminate against men in custody disputes. While it's true that women more often get custody, it's far more complicated than a systematic bias that turns dads into the real victims of custody battles (as opposed to, you know, the children).
Most disputes* are settled out of court, meaning that custody placement does not rest in the hands of judges (most of whom are men, by the way). Just 4% of cases actually go to trial. And mothers often get custody in large part because, on average, they're still the primary caretakers of children. That's not bias, and it's not even necessarily a good thing. It's just a fact. see link for additional info.
One of the biggest sticking points for the MRA community is the argument that the courts actively discriminate against men in custody disputes. While it's true that women more often get custody, it's far more complicated than a systematic bias that turns dads into the real victims of custody battles (as opposed to, you know, the children).
Most disputes* are settled out of court, meaning that custody placement does not rest in the hands of judges (most of whom are men, by the way). Just 4% of cases actually go to trial. And mothers often get custody in large part because, on average, they're still the primary caretakers of children. That's not bias, and it's not even necessarily a good thing. It's just a fact. see link for additional info.
4. Male circumcision is just as bad as female genital mutilation.
Thoughtful consideration of the medical and philosophical implications of circumcision are not without merit, but there is no equivalence in terms of harmful long-term effects between slicing off a young girl's clitoris (and in 80% of cases, the entire labia minora as well) and removing a baby's foreskin. Indeed, 15% of global FGM/C cases involve removing all external genitalia, and sewing up the vaginal opening. see link for additional info.
Thoughtful consideration of the medical and philosophical implications of circumcision are not without merit, but there is no equivalence in terms of harmful long-term effects between slicing off a young girl's clitoris (and in 80% of cases, the entire labia minora as well) and removing a baby's foreskin. Indeed, 15% of global FGM/C cases involve removing all external genitalia, and sewing up the vaginal opening. see link for additional info.
5. Avoiding conscription is a female privilege.
Many feminists don't support conscription for anyone. But regardless of whether you agree with a draft in theory, it's important to remember that military action (including the decision to go to war in the first place) has been legislated almost entirely by men, and that women historically have shown less support for war.
Moreover, the exclusion of women from the draft was based on essentialist stereotypes that painted them as weak and with a duty to the home. These stereotypes are, yet again, inherent to patriarchy, and a large part of why women in many countries have had to fight for their right to serve today (and, as the Women's Research and Education Institute points out, remain barred from certain positions "necessary or advantageous to advancement and promotion"
. see link for additional info.
Many feminists don't support conscription for anyone. But regardless of whether you agree with a draft in theory, it's important to remember that military action (including the decision to go to war in the first place) has been legislated almost entirely by men, and that women historically have shown less support for war.
Moreover, the exclusion of women from the draft was based on essentialist stereotypes that painted them as weak and with a duty to the home. These stereotypes are, yet again, inherent to patriarchy, and a large part of why women in many countries have had to fight for their right to serve today (and, as the Women's Research and Education Institute points out, remain barred from certain positions "necessary or advantageous to advancement and promotion"
6. Men's media depiction is worse than women's.
Nearly every time an article is published about women's media representation, some commenters will inevitably point out that men get objectified, too. As Men's Journal notes, men are held to increasingly demanding standards of physical masculinity. But here we go these standards are again based upon rigid, patriarchal stereotypes of what it means to be a man. And while it's true that men are increasingly seeing chiseled images of their gender in advertising and media (deemed by AdWeek to be "hunkvertising"
7. False rape allegations are endemic.
No one denies that false accusations are terrible to experience. But the fear some men appear to harbor of being falsely accused is wildly out of sync with the actual rate at which this occurs. Worse, this excessive paranoia can lead to the silencing of survivors of any gender who fear they won't be believed if they come forward. see link for additional info.
8. Feminists want to turn everything into rape.
Also inherent to the fear of false rape allegations is the idea that new conceptions of rape are terribly murky and complicated, resulting in the criminalization of "hookup culture" and supposedly well-intentioned guys getting accused of violating willing (read: drunk) women. see link for additional info.
I wanted to try and give a little snippet to each point, but there is a lot more info and explanation at this link:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/90131/the-8-biggest-lies-men-s-rights-activists-spread-about-women
Please try to give it a read prior to responding, so we are all on the same page as to what is being said, with the hope we can have a better conversation.
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That's the bingo board, right there. And niyad is right about the usual suspects.
Squinch
Jun 2014
#2
If somebody posted a list of lies racists say about people of color would you ask the same question?
LeftyMom
Jun 2014
#5
So you're looking for absolute capitulation. Got it. And the point of posting this is....?
Darkhawk32
Jun 2014
#6
If you want a conversation you can start by answering my questions. There were only two of them.
LeftyMom
Jun 2014
#8
"Men's Rights" activism is an anti-woman movement. If you subscribe to such bigoted notions, there's
LeftyMom
Jun 2014
#12
You're just as bad as the ones who say the Feminist movement is an anti-man movement.
Darkhawk32
Jun 2014
#16
No, you are confusing "men's issues" with the so-called Men's Rights Movement.
Gormy Cuss
Jun 2014
#80
are you looking to walk into the thread and simply derail? or are you looking to walk into
seabeyond
Jun 2014
#11
I realize all of us uppity bitches look alike, but you seem to be unaware that I'm not the OP.
LeftyMom
Jun 2014
#21
If my 7 word response jacked this thread, the OP didn't have much juice, did it? n/t
Darkhawk32
Jun 2014
#29
It has been demonstrated by me saying 7 little words that discussion would never be possible.
Darkhawk32
Jun 2014
#47
You know what? If a person of a different race gave a list of things that racists said about them,
redqueen
Jun 2014
#31
You folks are the ones acting hateful, aggressive and downright verbally violent.
Darkhawk32
Jun 2014
#34
Thanks again for kicking the thread! We really appreciate your help in discrediting MRA arguments.
LeftyMom
Jun 2014
#43
Your first post was confrontational, hostile. You had only one goal in mind evident to all
seabeyond
Jun 2014
#55
yes, His Tone brought about the replies. That is what I find interesting about the tone argument
Tuesday Afternoon
Jun 2014
#86
It took five tries (two already alerted before me) but this user has been escorted from this thread
alp227
Jun 2014
#59
I'm surprised it was hidden. I've seen other DUers say similar things, even more directly.
redqueen
Jun 2014
#60
You will of course allow us the precise and relevant connection between disusing an issue
LanternWaste
Jun 2014
#66
information is bullying? excuse me. I am sorry I bothered you. Good bye and Peace Out.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jun 2014
#30
No, but the implication was to show what, I have a subscription to the Men's Group.
Darkhawk32
Jun 2014
#32
you do understand an apology when you see one, right? You do understand Good bye and Peace out.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jun 2014
#33
never noticed this paticular poster til this thread. I doubt I ever see anything of substance from
Tuesday Afternoon
Jun 2014
#85
so you too came in to derail, not really address the actual Op. no surprise. right? consistent.
seabeyond
Jun 2014
#88
If you have arguments against these points or areas to discuss why didn't you present them?
el_bryanto
Jun 2014
#77
and right on time, too. I love the punctual ones, don't you, bravenak
Tuesday Afternoon
Jun 2014
#46
if a woman strikes, she should be charged with assault. a girls in school assaults, it should
seabeyond
Jun 2014
#90
i do not agree with you. raising two boys... nephews and nieces and my own experiences.
seabeyond
Jun 2014
#94
I disagree with nearly all your points because your avoiding the issues being raised.
equalityed
Jun 2014
#95
Anyone who claims that male circumcision is "just as bad" as female genital mutilation
Nye Bevan
Jun 2014
#67
Did you hear the one about the men's rights group that raised $25K to protect themselves
KamaAina
Jun 2014
#82