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124. Well it's always wise not the the word of any ONE source. As I said before, DUers are pretty smart

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:47 PM

Jun 2014

about fact checking so I fail to see the sudden impulse by a few people here to monitor the reading material of DUers. Seems a bit obsessive to me.

As for the product, I did do some research, mainly BECAUSE it seemed to me there was an effort to stifle any discussion of it.

What I found was that the ONLY site claiming it to be perfectly safe AND 'natural' is the Truvia website itself.

I also found that a lawsuit was filed. Another DUer in the thread provided the info that the case was settled and the claim of 'all natural' is not true.

I also found that up to the writing of the various articles I read, it had not been approved by the FDA.

Iow, I found very little that was a ringing endorsement of the product, other than on their own website.

So the OP provided a valuable opportunity for discussion of a product that is being pushed as 'natural' and 'perfectly safe', when, according to what I read, it has not been tested on humans yet.

So where is the peer review on this product, backing the claims of the manufacturer? I have not found any so far.

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Truvia sweetener a powerful pesticide; scientists shocked as fruit flies die in less than a week [View all] MindMover Jun 2014 OP

Playing Word Games is Essentially How They Always WIN MagickMuffin Jun 2014 #1

Not peer reviewed articles....sorry.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #2

I used lead paints as a child... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #8

Well that explains THAT! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #12

And plenty of cigarette smokers are also alive. So what? pnwmom Jun 2014 #49

I tried truvia had a horrible taste... Historic NY Jun 2014 #59

Not the same thing. TeeYiYi Jun 2014 #118

PLOS One is a peer reviwed journal. LisaL Jun 2014 #133

Yes, I notice it says that up at the top of the article at the link. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #152

So long as it is profitable, isn't that all that matters? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #3

Absolutely NOT ... Europeans are too smart ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #5

Stevia is not used in Europe? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #28

I understand nothing ... we are talking about TRUVIA ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #32

You do understand you CAN buy Erithrytol in a health food store...not just IN Truvia? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #37

Beware psyllium husks are extremely dangerous to your health and well being ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #38

Water is extremely dangerous to your health and well being if drunk in sufficient quantities! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #39

Life as we know it ends in death ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #47

Exactly! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #83

Finally we agree on something ... albeit a little grim ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #150

According to Wikipedia, Truvia is available in Europe. Chiyo-chichi Jun 2014 #56

Blow me down with a feather ... probably for not much longer ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #57

And what on earth would give you THAT idea? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #84

naturalnews.com is not a valid source for anything. MineralMan Jun 2014 #4

I think the poster put in two links ... pbmus Jun 2014 #7

Yes. The other link is not a peer reviewed journal. MineralMan Jun 2014 #9

I would carefully read all of the information about the other link .... pbmus Jun 2014 #10

Thanks for the advice. MineralMan Jun 2014 #13

When you get cancer like I have , you carefully review everything ... pbmus Jun 2014 #15

I'm sorry to hear that. Food in the US, it is hard to even try to eat a healthy diet or feed it to sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #71

No, it's not misleading. LisaL Jun 2014 #135

You are completely wrong. LisaL Jun 2014 #134

Thank you. As I said, DUers are extremely smart at doing their own research and don't sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #16

Oh, you are protected from information very well ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #17

Yes, I know, which is why I said, 'we don't need to be protected' because we are capable sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #21

You are wise and thoughtful ... thank you for being a part of DU ..nt pbmus Jun 2014 #23

I think it is up to us to discern whether THIS article is valid. We ARE old enough and experienced sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #14

Thank you for your comment. MineralMan Jun 2014 #19

Yes, you have successfully hidden enough information to ban the poster ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #20

Me? None of those alerts were mine, nor was I on any MineralMan Jun 2014 #22

I stand corrected ... DU is an open forum designed to intelligently pbmus Jun 2014 #24

Thank you. You apparently jumped to an incorrect conclusion. MineralMan Jun 2014 #26

I have jumped many times, lately to reading and understanding a direct pbmus Jun 2014 #129

Is that supposed to mean something that refutes anything I said? In fact if anything, it confirms sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #27

No fool like an old fool, as the saying goes. REP Jun 2014 #40

I like to err on the side of caution when it comes to health issues and foods where there is any sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #46

Just excused myself from this jury. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #6

I'll give it a try next time I get an infestation herding cats Jun 2014 #11

Jury results Zorra Jun 2014 #18

Truvia also makes monkeys spastic! jberryhill Jun 2014 #132

"Natural News" has ZERO credibilibilty. Archae Jun 2014 #25

Indeed. One only has to look at the ads in the MineralMan Jun 2014 #29

Like psyllium husks for use as a fiber ... omg, whats next .... pbmus Jun 2014 #35

Ever seen any of the ADS on DU? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #36

DU ads are served from Google. MineralMan Jun 2014 #41

It's a business, isn't it? As for DU, I am a star member also, but have taken the trouble to look sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #48

Archae did ... pbmus Jun 2014 #50

That information is about the sources. That it can be used as an insecticide isn't very encouraging sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #53

I would definitely refine your search to information pbmus Jun 2014 #55

Yes, that is good advice as when money is involved here, we get all sorts of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #58

Thank you for your thoughtful research and wise decision ... pbmus Jun 2014 #60

How sad. As I recall DU was opposed to Corps like Monsanto from its inception. In fact it was here sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #64

Not true....all you needed to do was go to Wikipedia VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #87

I went way further than Wikipedia and found out that the Manufacturers lost a Civil Lawsuit sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #139

So? Most of the produce we eat today is not natural....in that WE have always modified it.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #155

water is a powerful insecticide.... mike_c Jun 2014 #76

Bt is not safe in the quantities we are spraying and ingesting it .. pbmus Jun 2014 #119

I'm sorry, but you're simply incorrect.... mike_c Jun 2014 #153

I am old enough to have friends who farmed ... and some are still my friends .. pbmus Jun 2014 #180

I suppose we'll simply have to agree to disagree.... mike_c Jun 2014 #181

if a fruit fly gets no fruit...also known as sugar....they die....Stevia is not a sugar..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #86

Exactly ... well said ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #126

The Plos editorial board consists of USA doctors pbmus Jun 2014 #30

So are you saying the product is safe for human consumption? Is there anything that counters sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #31

The Plos editorial board consists of pbmus Jun 2014 #34

I'm doing my best to get some answers from those who have attacked the source, regarding the sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #42

Because of your stature in DU, you will probably not get challenged ... pbmus Jun 2014 #44

Lol, well I am pretty immune to attempts to avoid a topic by making fun of the questioner. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #51

This hubris thinking on DU is especially apparent pbmus Jun 2014 #52

Many have noticed this phenomenon of people assigning themselves to the role of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #67

Someone seems to be looking OUT for those that want to spread false information.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #91

I notice you provided no link so we can decide how credible that source is. But, I see it does not sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #138

You can do exactly what I did and what you SHOULD have done BEFORE you spread these hair on fire lie VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #158

That was in the OP, did you read the links in the OP? Are you a supporter of genetically altered sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #164

Its not "genetically modified" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #167

How about ones that make fun of you after they prove you wrong? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #94

Please alert on that person making fun of you ... pbmus Jun 2014 #120

I haven't had that experience. Perhaps you have? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #122

Because some people present themselves as some sort of expert....and they they prove theyd VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #159

Yes there is... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #89

especially if it is from any website not authorized by you or wikipedia... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #121

At least my link provides the source of the data.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #160

Yes I AM as the FDA says so.....are you goign to say THEY are unreliable now too? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #157

If they flies have no sugar to eat....they die....doesn't mean its poisonous! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33

Sorry, they flies are not sugar eaters, they die, and it does mean sugar is poison ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #127

fruit flies eat fruit....which ARE carbs Which ARE sugars.....and YES sugar has levels that are VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #161

Yep, one of two sites I can think of... GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #43

And the Cubbies are gonna win this year ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #45

Yes. They'll win roughly 40% of the games they play this season. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #54

Wait til next century. They're going to kick ass! n/t ieoeja Jun 2014 #62

Whatever. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #88

What sites do you trust? I have done a quick scan for info on Truvia due to this OP. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #65

the ingredients Stevia and...a journalist would probably know to look up ingredients...not tradename VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #90

Sites that have actual peer-reviewed research. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #99

Plos is a peer reviewed site with over 5800 editors ... pbmus Jun 2014 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #145

That's nice. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #147

NOT ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #148

Well it's always wise not the the word of any ONE source. As I said before, DUers are pretty smart sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #124

You are reading way to much and critical thinking is your strong suit ... pbmus Jun 2014 #128

Lol, well if there are people here so sensitive that they cannot accept facts, there's not much sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #136

You are really a gem to DU ... thanks again for your acceptance of facts ..nt pbmus Jun 2014 #141

Thank you, and so are you. We need more discussion and less 'shut it DOWN' nonsense to keep sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #143

And that is one hearty AMEN ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #151

Nobody is "monitoring" anyone. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #146

This is one of the most highly monitored sites on the internet ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #149

That would be awesome if true. ieoeja Jun 2014 #61

"Natural News" is known to burst peoples' hair into flames. chrisa Jun 2014 #63

LOL ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #72

Pardon me for being the turd in the punchbowl. Chocolate can kills dogs. Yet we eat it all the time. dballance Jun 2014 #66

Yup, that site is horrendously overadvertised with health nut stuff .... pbmus Jun 2014 #68

Too bad the discussion wasn't more about the product than about the source. There were two sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #69

You are way to thoughtful for DU ... pbmus Jun 2014 #70

Mmm so their claims WERE false. I only scanned the info, so missed that a lawsuit had been won sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #73

come on you are blowing it waaaaay out of proportion here... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #92

I haven't even done a bowl and you are making me howl here ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #116

Not sure what that comment means so could you post it again and rephrase it? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #125

Cargill. I think that may say a whole lot! nt WhiteTara Jun 2014 #74

of course.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #95

LOL. Naturalnews... SidDithers Jun 2014 #75

Yep, it is full of health nut stuff ... pbmus Jun 2014 #77

It's full of horseshit medical woo... SidDithers Jun 2014 #78

Can you point me to some of that right wing conspiracy stuff ... pbmus Jun 2014 #79

Here's a couple headlines... SidDithers Jun 2014 #80

The first headline was written by the guardian, forbes and others before pbmus Jun 2014 #93

As I said, Adams' defenders are hilarious... SidDithers Jun 2014 #96

So you reject 98 % healthy related information because of pbmus Jun 2014 #103

If you think you're getting actual health related information from naturalnews... SidDithers Jun 2014 #104

Telling another member they are wrong is an alert offense ... pbmus Jun 2014 #109

Sure they have... SidDithers Jun 2014 #110

and telling someone they have "paid hubris" is also banning material ... pbmus Jun 2014 #111

try Wikipedia.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #97

So ... pbmus Jun 2014 #98

SO??? That's the "egregious" ingredient in Truvia you all are talking about.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #101

Quite frankly I do not care if you ingest truvia everyday for the next 50 yrs ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #112

frankly I don't care if you believe bullshit from bullshit websites....I am not going to let it VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #114

LMAO...you are tooo funny ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #115

The trouble with Natural News... LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #178

I have learned a lot from this thread. So thanks to the OP for introducing us to this product and sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #140

And that's a problem why? JoeyT Jun 2014 #81

+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #82

There is another link to the research ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #85

and they both suck! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #102

The editorial board on Plos has more education than many could get in a million lifetimes ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #105

and hawking this bullshit? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #107

And? I fail to see your point. LisaL Jun 2014 #137

OHHHHHHH so its the fruit flies we are concerned about not humans! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #162

This has become such an interesting thread where I have have learned so much I didn't know before. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #144

not even basically....that's EXACTLY what it does.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #100

Now that is a true statement that I can agree with ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #117

awesome d_r Jun 2014 #106

From the PLOS ONE article ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #108

Great research, keep reading ...nt pbmus Jun 2014 #113

interesting study, such a boring read. perhaps the company will have 2 markets for their product. Sunlei Jun 2014 #130

Does it work on mosquitos? jberryhill Jun 2014 #131

OK, Just for the information defacto7 Jun 2014 #142

The civil suits mentioned in this thread concerned ad use of "Natural", not safety of consumption. pinto Jun 2014 #154

Thanks for that link. So the OP link that a few people are upset about was CORRECT. Truvia can be sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #156

but it does NOT mean it is harmful to humans....in fact the FDA says that it is NOT harmful VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #163

Genetically altered products are NOT natural. And from the research I have done so far, no one knows sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #165

it is NOT "genetically" altered.....you need to read what you are writing about.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #166

I read the claims made in the lawsuit against Cargill for false advertising, in which the sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #172

as I said...."not natural" is not the same thing as "genetically modified" I HAVE read the article VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #173

As I said, the lawsuit stated that the the product contained genetically modified sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #174

and I have told you what "genetically modified" means..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #175

I will take the court's description of what 'genitically modified' means. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #179

The use and misuse of "natural" has become widespread. Some natural food markets have been sued. pinto Jun 2014 #169

Words like "powerful" and "shocked" are not used in scientific research. Avalux Jun 2014 #168

Here you go. fifthoffive Jun 2014 #170

What a surprise! One of Frankenstein's monsters gets discovered early. nolabels Jun 2014 #171

Use friggen natural sugar in moderation HockeyMom Jun 2014 #176

wish I'd had some Truvia dem in texas Jun 2014 #177

Stevia IS sold unadulterated shanti Jun 2014 #182