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DonCoquixote

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Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:21 AM

Jun 2014

the fact that more than one source, including salon, has highlighted this;

BUT:
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/horrific-documentary-reveals-hundreds-of-irish-babies-used-in-medical-research-and-dissection-131353793-237416651.html

http://rt.com/news/165196-inquiry-ireland-mother-baby-home/

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/vaccine-trials-doctor-willing-to-travel-here-to-help-inquiry-633186.html

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Mass Grave of Dead Babies in Ireland Used as Guinea Pigs for Pharmaceutical Company [View all] DonCoquixote Jun 2014 OP

What happens to people in dire straits is horrible. No argument. ucrdem Jun 2014 #1

and that excuses DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #2

I clicked your link: ucrdem Jun 2014 #3

Click on this: beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #6

Link 3 = Daily Mail. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #7

And the other links? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #10

There's an agenda on display, I'll give you that. ucrdem Jun 2014 #11

Still waiting for you to comment on the links in my post. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #14

Link 1, Salon on Daily Mail. 2, Belfast Telly. 3, Daily Mail. Done. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #17

You didn't read the articles. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #18

I read the articles. I gave you my assessment. Good night. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #19

Your use of nt is insightful. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #22

I would/will be horrified IF this is true. However, a search brings up no other news outlet KittyWampus Jun 2014 #42

Given the time frame, however, this story is entirely plausible Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #48

The actual story is that baby vaccinations were given without consent- this is being distorted KittyWampus Jun 2014 #65

It's unlikely there was written consent Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #71

Were you this horrified by the sex abuse scandal? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #67

Bluntly, the OP is bullshit. I POSTED THE FACTS. And yes I was horrified by the ongoing KittyWampus Jun 2014 #82

If they did find proof that they were ground up and fed to their mothers beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #85

Link 1 refers back to The Mail. rug Jun 2014 #69

So because there were no laws against it makes it okay? Because that's what Jesus would have done? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #80

So, calling it mass murder and nazi-like medical experimentation is ok? rug Jun 2014 #89

I wonder who Jesus would be more angry with... beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #93

No you don't. You're simply using dead babies to make stale jabs at religion. rug Jun 2014 #94

Why rug, what a thing to say...I'm hurt. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #97

Really? Post the link to the howling. rug Jun 2014 #98

Done. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #114

That's an observation not a howl. rug Jun 2014 #130

I've just been informed that the care given to infants in the Home was good. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #137

By all means then, share that link. rug Jun 2014 #138

Start here: beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #145

Ok, I've read it closely. rug Jun 2014 #151

There are no posters defending the government in this thread. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #152

Maybe I find actual facts more important than posturing. rug Jun 2014 #153

The facts have been posted, you choose to ignore them. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #155

Not that one. rug Jun 2014 #156

Well... Separation Jun 2014 #13

Outrage at the people who are outraged by the outrages perpetrated by their religion. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #16

No outrage here Separation Jun 2014 #23

Sorry, beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #25

To be fair... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #50

Thank you, BMUS.... loudsue Jun 2014 #38

Thank you for reading them. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #62

Pharmaceuticals target the poor lovuian Jun 2014 #150

No one expects pharmaceutical companies to care about children. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #154

"Hellish poverty" did not kill those children nor lead to their deaths me b zola Jun 2014 #4

Malnutrition and opportunistic disease killed them. ucrdem Jun 2014 #5

And why were they malnourished and vulnerable to endemic disease? intaglio Jun 2014 #24

^^^^^^THIS DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #26

not exactly mercuryblues Jun 2014 #29

That's the hugest crime here Dorian Gray Jun 2014 #33

Wow! I wouldn't call the catholic church an opportunistic disease. Iggo Jun 2014 #43

definitons for opportunistic, and disease: Zorra Jun 2014 #70

If you had read the original article... catnhatnh Jun 2014 #45

It was my mother sent off to the nuns (domestic, US) me b zola Jun 2014 #108

You're actually defending the people who did this? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #8

No I'm not. The people who did it are indefensible. ucrdem Jun 2014 #9

Yes, you are. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #12

No I'm really not. ucrdem Jun 2014 #15

"sorting out the facts" beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #20

facts like DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #28

please mercuryblues Jun 2014 #35

Yes. Iggo Jun 2014 #44

I don't know why I was so surprised. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #61

When it's more important to protect the church than it is to protect actual people... Iggo Jun 2014 #68

WTF does it take for them to realize that? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #74

My impression is that the girls were put into these hellholes because they were pregnant out of djean111 Jun 2014 #27

That's certainly the impression I got, as well. eShirl Jun 2014 #40

Well their babies would not have been used for medical experiments. Rex Jun 2014 #51

Don't even bother. dilby Jun 2014 #63

, blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #21

The TRUTH is spilling out. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #30

You ever get the feeling that the frog is now noticing it's cooked? MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #31

Have you asked yourself how pharmaceuticals are tested today? hedgehog Jun 2014 #32

none of what you said DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #49

It's not just access to subjects that driving this overseas... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #53

To me the word ' pharmaceuticals ' i associated as something dirty quite awhile ago nolabels Jun 2014 #91

They Were Not Orphans ninjanurse Jun 2014 #34

What an unholy alliance the Catholic Church and Pharmaceutical Corporations fasttense Jun 2014 #36

In Ireland? Really? Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #37

I do not trust the source. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #39

er DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #47

Horrifying IF true. Can't find anything but Daily Mail which is a tabloid w/no credibility. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #41

I had no problem at all finding sources theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #58

I notice when someone produces a legit link, it gets ignored and the excuses continue. Rex Jun 2014 #132

Yep, I've gotten rather used to it theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #141

Yeah, I guess that means they really didn't care in the first place. Rex Jun 2014 #142

The 2000 vaccinated were not the same as the 800 babies mathematic Jun 2014 #46

Pharmaceutical companies were experimenting here without consent, too. pnwmom Jun 2014 #54

ok, here are some more links DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #52

the articles you link to hear report a different story though- about VACCINES. BABY VACCINATIONS. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #64

I did read them DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #158

Pharmaceutical Companies use children as subjects even today in places like India. Sunlei Jun 2014 #55

But, but, but - hedgehog Jun 2014 #56

Unreal. You make me sick. Fix The Stupid Jun 2014 #59

Yeah, because none of us can walk and chew gum at the same time theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #60

It would be nice if people talking about it understood the actual scandal - hedgehog Jun 2014 #66

The Archbishop of Dublin has no problem addressing these "old" issues and new revelations theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #77

I think the article in the Irish Examiner says it the best - hedgehog Jun 2014 #157

OMG DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #159

You caught me out - yes, I am an undercover sock puppet defending the Catholic Church which hedgehog Jun 2014 #169

It would be even nicer if you would feel as sorry for the victims as you do your church. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #78

I wonder how much the Church made off that? get the red out Jun 2014 #57

As much as possible, and then some, most likely with "fringe benefits" not yet disclosed. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #72

Bet you're correct on that! get the red out Jun 2014 #79

The Galway Experiment KamaAina Jun 2014 #73

Is Joe Pesci finally ready to apologize to Sinead O'Connor? joeybee12 Jun 2014 #75

I guess you missed this... Scurrilous Jun 2014 #76

And you missed this: More Irish mass graves likely to be found, warns Archbishop of Dublin... beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #81

What people who care about facts are saying� the story is bad enough as it is sticking to facts KittyWampus Jun 2014 #83

I'm done with you. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #84

#1. I didn't cry for links, but when I DID go to the links from actual news sources KittyWampus Jun 2014 #104

More 'mass graves?' They've yet to uncover one. Scurrilous Jun 2014 #86

from your link:40 years after becoming common knowledge, Irish government to investigate mass graves beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #87

I jumped into this thread to post the NY Times article ... Scurrilous Jun 2014 #88

"Whether these graves exist"? They already admitted it, they've known about it for 40 years beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #92

Couple of extra links for you theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #95

Thank you, those will come in handy. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #96

Link 1: "'the Sisters are careful and attentive; diets are excellent.'" ucrdem Jun 2014 #99

So that's what you carried away from that article? theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #102

That is what the 1947 report says, yes. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #103

But of course it said a lot more, didn't it. theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #106

You mean "'diets are excellent?'" Sorry if I left that out. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #112

Wow. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #107

Yes, wow. Scratch half a millimeter and there goes all the fun. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #110

The title of the article: Children at Tuam home were 'emaciated' and starved beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #124

Read the 1947 report, quoted in the same article: ucrdem Jun 2014 #125

I cited excerpts and facts from the report. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #128

"An extract from the report notes the shocking number of deaths of babies in the home" beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #129

The report cites "infection" as a possible cause, NOT neglect or malnutrition. ucrdem Jun 2014 #133

"She described the death rate as "scandalous", adding that it was "simply colossal"." beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #131

The 1947 report describes "careful and attentive" care and "excellent" diet. LINK: ucrdem Jun 2014 #135

Link 2: "Bessborough mother-and-baby home in Co Cork. . ." ucrdem Jun 2014 #100

Believe it or not, I do have a rudimentary knowledge of geography theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #105

The report makes no mention of "abuse" so why pretend that it does? ucrdem Jun 2014 #109

There really is no limit to your denial theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #115

And I can just keep going and going and going... theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #116

Like this... theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #118

Average mortality at the Tuam home: 1.8 deaths per month, ucrdem Jun 2014 #119

That's Cork, not Galway. The OP is about the Tuam home in Galway. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #117

And this... theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #120

And this, the 1947 report's conclusion: ucrdem Jun 2014 #122

Link #1 theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #121

Reason, per link #1: ucrdem Jun 2014 #123

Your level of denial is something I find really sad theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #126

There's a reason Daily Mail has a very poor reputation. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #127

The article "Children at Tuam home were 'emaciated' and starved" is from the Sunday Independent. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #134

The 1947 report gives "infection" as a cause, NOT neglect or malnutrition. ucrdem Jun 2014 #136

What ARE you talking about theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #139

The 1947 report that flatly contradicts the Mail's shameful reporting. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #140

Did you actually have a response to my post theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #143

I've responded to the same post repeatedly. This is getting silly. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #144

Yes, you've responded theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #147

She actually cited the Independent article in post #101 beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #146

Also from your link-BBC News: Almost 800 infants buried in unmarked graves in Tuam, County Galway beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #90

Let's read that "damning 1947 report" more carefully: ucrdem Jun 2014 #101

'"the Sisters are careful and attentive; diets are excellent.'" ucrdem Jun 2014 #113

"Medical experimentation" YarnAddict Jun 2014 #111

does testing occur on babies DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #160

The same thing??? YarnAddict Jun 2014 #161

More from the same article YarnAddict Jun 2014 #162

obviously, this one locale DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #163

Where is the "malice?" YarnAddict Jun 2014 #165

burying babies in a SEPTIC TANK DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #166

It most likely wasn't a septic tank YarnAddict Jun 2014 #168

(1) Catherine Corless found in local public record death certificates struggle4progress Jun 2014 #148

Thank you. ucrdem Jun 2014 #149

Sorry not buying anything from a UK news source RB TexLa Jun 2014 #164

ok DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #167

Here are a few of the latest articles theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #170

Call for UN role in mother-and-baby inquiry theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #171