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Android3.14

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71. Okay

Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:46 AM

Jun 2014

People can claim whatever they want about themselves online. I've made claims about myself that would be difficult to prove, but the only thing that counts in anonymous forums, when it comes to claimed competence in a topic, is the consistency of the author's message and whether it coincides with the reader's own research and experience.

I have never run across a teacher in the real world who is unable to recognize that teacher unions, in their current form, protect bad teachers along with good teachers and sacrifice new teachers in a RIF. Many professional teachers dislike the pragmatic reality of the situation while still paying their dues to the union, but all of us recognize the way things are.

Folks on this thread may be unhappy with this, but, as most great teachers and philosophers have taught, reality is hardly ever a source of happiness.

If anyone wants to argue specific points, I'll be glad to do so.

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Michelle Rhee is smiling. [View all] madfloridian Jun 2014 OP

More on why her smile is so big. madfloridian Jun 2014 #1

I'd love to see a lawsuit, People vs Arnie Duncan. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #5

Next they can work on disbanding countries ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #2

Arne is doing Newt Gingrich's Free Market Schools policy. madfloridian Jun 2014 #7

That's just so amazingly fucking disgusting. laundry_queen Jun 2014 #56

Apt description. lol madfloridian Jun 2014 #57

Regarding Ed policy, America is INSANE nikto Jun 2014 #62

One of the stupidest and most amoral men in recent US history, and we adopt his system nikto Jun 2014 #63

^^^ very good point ^^^ SalviaBlue Jun 2014 #16

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #3

Frightening..we are talking about millions of America's children. K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #4

It really is. madfloridian Jun 2014 #88

How did this ever happen to the Democratic Party? That we have come to the point where sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #6

Let's face it we are all Republicans now. zeemike Jun 2014 #37

Yes, and it is a tragedy nikto Jun 2014 #65

Current Pub Ed policy is The Great Shame of Democrats nikto Jun 2014 #64

Fact that they are Newt Gingrich's plans makes it even worse. madfloridian Jun 2014 #94

Kicking FloriTexan Jun 2014 #8

This is all bullshit. theaocp Jun 2014 #9

Let's not forget who else is smiling..... vi5 Jun 2014 #10

More Union Busting co-sponsored by a Democratic Administration. bvar22 Jun 2014 #11

Time lo look at facts. We have a "Democratic Party" in nothing but name. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #17

I too am sick of it nikto Jun 2014 #66

Erik Hanushek of the right-wing Hoover Institution was one of the witnesses. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #12

They really pulled off a big deal today. Money talks, and we know about BS madfloridian Jun 2014 #13

Why hedge funds love charter schools antigop Jun 2014 #15

Thanks, I missed that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #23

It's baffling. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #18

I hope you are right. madfloridian Jun 2014 #20

And not one dime from them or any of them to actually help education. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #22

On the way...cheaper teachers, temp teachers, no benefits, no tenure. madfloridian Jun 2014 #91

Also teachers who no longer dare to advocate for the children in their classrooms kmlisle Jun 2014 #101

If I were teaching in FL now, I would never cross kids or parents. madfloridian Jun 2014 #103

My experiences were with administrators on issues like scheduling and curriculum kmlisle Jun 2014 #104

My last 4 years I had the principal from hell. madfloridian Jun 2014 #112

K & R historylovr Jun 2014 #14

I think our only hope against these Corporate Education types is nonoxy9 Jun 2014 #19

This issue perfectly illustrates how broken is our political system. Maedhros Jun 2014 #21

Students? Minors? Voters? Since when do they have either qualifications, evidence or standing to ancianita Jun 2014 #24

Yes, it is manipulation. madfloridian Jun 2014 #41

Indeed...how did the 13 child Plaintiffs in Brown have the qualifications, evidence, or standing for msanthrope Jun 2014 #75

Michelle Rhee .. I can't stand that woman. YOHABLO Jun 2014 #25

Who is going to take the place of all the "bad" teachers? TexasBushwhacker Jun 2014 #26

TFA is waiting to come in through the now open door. madfloridian Jun 2014 #38

But few of those teachers stay TexasBushwhacker Jun 2014 #44

I also taught for 8 years, and LIFO is vile Android3.14 Jun 2014 #27

I dont know enough about it to know if you are right or not but the answer randys1 Jun 2014 #28

Exactly Android3.14 Jun 2014 #34

The career teachers with years behind them of hard work also work late, love kids. are passionate. madfloridian Jun 2014 #29

Don't put words in my mouth Android3.14 Jun 2014 #30

Not true. So not true. And I have enough people jumping all over me right now.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #33

The problem with our ed system has been developing for 50 years Android3.14 Jun 2014 #35

"bad old teachers" there's that old folks theme again. madfloridian Jun 2014 #36

Irrelevant Android3.14 Jun 2014 #45

"I can tell you have little idea what the teaching experience is like" Did you really say that? madfloridian Jun 2014 #48

Unbelievable comment by Android3.14, who is losing credibility, FAST nikto Jun 2014 #70

Still doesn't believe me. See post $71. Amazing. madfloridian Jun 2014 #80

You can see short "about me" at this link. Yes, I have good knowledge of teaching. madfloridian Jun 2014 #49

Okay Android3.14 Jun 2014 #71

You got me, Android3.14. I have been fooling folks since 2002 in 80,000+ posts. lol madfloridian Jun 2014 #78

Super-high posting numbers Android3.14 Jun 2014 #82

No, it goes to credibility only. Hard to survive 12 years without being "found out". madfloridian Jun 2014 #83

ALL organizations. ALL professional organizations might hide "bad" somebodies, but you don't hear ancianita Jun 2014 #99

Yes, teachers are now the enemy at a Democratic forum. madfloridian Jun 2014 #100

American Teachers have no friends in politics anymore nikto Jun 2014 #113

Misunderstanding Android3.14 Jun 2014 #106

Yes, actually. You are. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #52

..... madfloridian Jun 2014 #58

Me neither nikto Jun 2014 #69

Absolutely, positively right and true ALL OVER this country. The corporate meme of "the longer ancianita Jun 2014 #98

Not what I said Android3.14 Jun 2014 #108

Your argument is predicated sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #39

You can be sure of that assumption Android3.14 Jun 2014 #46

Back it up. sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #73

Misunderstanding me. Android3.14 Jun 2014 #79

2 of your links refer to Charlotte Danielson evaluation. madfloridian Jun 2014 #81

OK. sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #84

LIFO is a staffing formula unrelated to tenure, which is solely every principal's decision. ancianita Jun 2014 #47

"By the way, there is no such thing as a lazy teacher." Android3.14 Jun 2014 #85

What? You're saying there's no such thing as a good teacher? I don't get it. ancianita Jun 2014 #92

I'm saying there is no such thing as a lazy good teacher Android3.14 Jun 2014 #93

I'm sure... nikto Jun 2014 #68

I have never seen this. The teachers roody Jun 2014 #72

Most of the teachers at my school did too Android3.14 Jun 2014 #74

As a member of a union, we need to hang together or surely we will hang neverforget Jun 2014 #31

Haven't you heard? sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #40

K&R.... daleanime Jun 2014 #32

The judge's tentative decision is amatuer hour The Second Stone Jun 2014 #42

I hope so. This is such manipulation of young people against their school system. madfloridian Jun 2014 #43

Madflo...which plaintiff do you think was manipulated? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #77

Thankfully, I've finally encountered another DUer who has read the actual decision! Tell us msanthrope Jun 2014 #76

Here is my take The Second Stone Jun 2014 #90

strict scrutiny doesn't apply to SES minority defendants??? msanthrope Jun 2014 #117

subject The Second Stone Jun 2014 #118

As to your first paragraph, that msanthrope Jun 2014 #119

They must have promised those students roody Jun 2014 #50

Tenured Harvard professors who testified in Vergera against teacher tenure.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #51

You know you are no longer relevant when... madfloridian Jun 2014 #53

That doesn't make YOU irrelevant, MF. It means there are some people around who are in serious sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #67

Yeh, well I have been found out now. lol madfloridian Jun 2014 #86

Air Traffic Controllers BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #54

"the tenured teachers made the school a stable place and focus of community" Vital. madfloridian Jun 2014 #55

Yes bashing unions is always seen as the tough guy position BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #59

It's having a huge effect on what were once middle class dreams. madfloridian Jun 2014 #89

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #60

Unbelievable decision----America is destroying itself!! nikto Jun 2014 #61

Karoli at Crooks and Liars had a good article about this case in March. madfloridian Jun 2014 #87

Welch is starting a nationwide fight on teacher due process. madfloridian Jun 2014 #95

Someday we will wake up and wonder how we lost our public education system. But by then it will be liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #96

K&R--The attack on public education is an attack on democracy emsimon33 Jun 2014 #97

Is our president evil, clueless, or just in it for the money? Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #102

I've been retired for a year, and I can't believe how many of my former coworkers are looking into a charmay Jun 2014 #105

I agree. madfloridian Jun 2014 #107

Madfloridian, they will get it when mstinamotorcity2 Jun 2014 #109

Sad. Your gov and ours in FL are virulently anti-public schools and teachers. madfloridian Jun 2014 #110

What is so stupid, they hear Republicans mstinamotorcity2 Jun 2014 #111

The ugly fact that school privatizers use THE LANGUAGE OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT to persuade... nikto Jun 2014 #114

Perfect example of Jeb doing that...from 2006 madfloridian Jun 2014 #115

Thanks! nikto Jun 2014 #116