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KittyWampus

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64. the articles you link to hear report a different story though- about VACCINES. BABY VACCINATIONS.

Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:14 PM

Jun 2014

If you actually read the articles you linked to you'd know that.

Other mother/baby homes had babies vaccinated and pols in Ireland are calling to find out if these were too. For the historical record.

From the article and what is being referred to when talking about medical experiments by pharmaceuticals it this:

According to the Irish Daily Mail, old medical records show that 2,051 children and babies in care homes were given a one-shot diphtheria vaccine for international drugs company Burroughs Wellcome between 1930 and 1936.

There is no evidence to suggest that consent was gained for these alleged illegal drug trials - which were carried out before the vaccine was made available for commercial use in the UK - nor any records of the effects on the infants involved.

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Mass Grave of Dead Babies in Ireland Used as Guinea Pigs for Pharmaceutical Company [View all] DonCoquixote Jun 2014 OP

What happens to people in dire straits is horrible. No argument. ucrdem Jun 2014 #1

and that excuses DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #2

I clicked your link: ucrdem Jun 2014 #3

Click on this: beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #6

Link 3 = Daily Mail. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #7

And the other links? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #10

There's an agenda on display, I'll give you that. ucrdem Jun 2014 #11

Still waiting for you to comment on the links in my post. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #14

Link 1, Salon on Daily Mail. 2, Belfast Telly. 3, Daily Mail. Done. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #17

You didn't read the articles. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #18

I read the articles. I gave you my assessment. Good night. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #19

Your use of nt is insightful. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #22

I would/will be horrified IF this is true. However, a search brings up no other news outlet KittyWampus Jun 2014 #42

Given the time frame, however, this story is entirely plausible Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #48

The actual story is that baby vaccinations were given without consent- this is being distorted KittyWampus Jun 2014 #65

It's unlikely there was written consent Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #71

Were you this horrified by the sex abuse scandal? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #67

Bluntly, the OP is bullshit. I POSTED THE FACTS. And yes I was horrified by the ongoing KittyWampus Jun 2014 #82

If they did find proof that they were ground up and fed to their mothers beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #85

Link 1 refers back to The Mail. rug Jun 2014 #69

So because there were no laws against it makes it okay? Because that's what Jesus would have done? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #80

So, calling it mass murder and nazi-like medical experimentation is ok? rug Jun 2014 #89

I wonder who Jesus would be more angry with... beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #93

No you don't. You're simply using dead babies to make stale jabs at religion. rug Jun 2014 #94

Why rug, what a thing to say...I'm hurt. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #97

Really? Post the link to the howling. rug Jun 2014 #98

Done. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #114

That's an observation not a howl. rug Jun 2014 #130

I've just been informed that the care given to infants in the Home was good. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #137

By all means then, share that link. rug Jun 2014 #138

Start here: beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #145

Ok, I've read it closely. rug Jun 2014 #151

There are no posters defending the government in this thread. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #152

Maybe I find actual facts more important than posturing. rug Jun 2014 #153

The facts have been posted, you choose to ignore them. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #155

Not that one. rug Jun 2014 #156

Well... Separation Jun 2014 #13

Outrage at the people who are outraged by the outrages perpetrated by their religion. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #16

No outrage here Separation Jun 2014 #23

Sorry, beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #25

To be fair... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #50

Thank you, BMUS.... loudsue Jun 2014 #38

Thank you for reading them. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #62

Pharmaceuticals target the poor lovuian Jun 2014 #150

No one expects pharmaceutical companies to care about children. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #154

"Hellish poverty" did not kill those children nor lead to their deaths me b zola Jun 2014 #4

Malnutrition and opportunistic disease killed them. ucrdem Jun 2014 #5

And why were they malnourished and vulnerable to endemic disease? intaglio Jun 2014 #24

^^^^^^THIS DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #26

not exactly mercuryblues Jun 2014 #29

That's the hugest crime here Dorian Gray Jun 2014 #33

Wow! I wouldn't call the catholic church an opportunistic disease. Iggo Jun 2014 #43

definitons for opportunistic, and disease: Zorra Jun 2014 #70

If you had read the original article... catnhatnh Jun 2014 #45

It was my mother sent off to the nuns (domestic, US) me b zola Jun 2014 #108

You're actually defending the people who did this? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #8

No I'm not. The people who did it are indefensible. ucrdem Jun 2014 #9

Yes, you are. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #12

No I'm really not. ucrdem Jun 2014 #15

"sorting out the facts" beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #20

facts like DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #28

please mercuryblues Jun 2014 #35

Yes. Iggo Jun 2014 #44

I don't know why I was so surprised. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #61

When it's more important to protect the church than it is to protect actual people... Iggo Jun 2014 #68

WTF does it take for them to realize that? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #74

My impression is that the girls were put into these hellholes because they were pregnant out of djean111 Jun 2014 #27

That's certainly the impression I got, as well. eShirl Jun 2014 #40

Well their babies would not have been used for medical experiments. Rex Jun 2014 #51

Don't even bother. dilby Jun 2014 #63

, blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #21

The TRUTH is spilling out. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #30

You ever get the feeling that the frog is now noticing it's cooked? MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #31

Have you asked yourself how pharmaceuticals are tested today? hedgehog Jun 2014 #32

none of what you said DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #49

It's not just access to subjects that driving this overseas... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #53

To me the word ' pharmaceuticals ' i associated as something dirty quite awhile ago nolabels Jun 2014 #91

They Were Not Orphans ninjanurse Jun 2014 #34

What an unholy alliance the Catholic Church and Pharmaceutical Corporations fasttense Jun 2014 #36

In Ireland? Really? Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #37

I do not trust the source. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #39

er DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #47

Horrifying IF true. Can't find anything but Daily Mail which is a tabloid w/no credibility. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #41

I had no problem at all finding sources theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #58

I notice when someone produces a legit link, it gets ignored and the excuses continue. Rex Jun 2014 #132

Yep, I've gotten rather used to it theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #141

Yeah, I guess that means they really didn't care in the first place. Rex Jun 2014 #142

The 2000 vaccinated were not the same as the 800 babies mathematic Jun 2014 #46

Pharmaceutical companies were experimenting here without consent, too. pnwmom Jun 2014 #54

ok, here are some more links DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #52

the articles you link to hear report a different story though- about VACCINES. BABY VACCINATIONS. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #64

I did read them DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #158

Pharmaceutical Companies use children as subjects even today in places like India. Sunlei Jun 2014 #55

But, but, but - hedgehog Jun 2014 #56

Unreal. You make me sick. Fix The Stupid Jun 2014 #59

Yeah, because none of us can walk and chew gum at the same time theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #60

It would be nice if people talking about it understood the actual scandal - hedgehog Jun 2014 #66

The Archbishop of Dublin has no problem addressing these "old" issues and new revelations theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #77

I think the article in the Irish Examiner says it the best - hedgehog Jun 2014 #157

OMG DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #159

You caught me out - yes, I am an undercover sock puppet defending the Catholic Church which hedgehog Jun 2014 #169

It would be even nicer if you would feel as sorry for the victims as you do your church. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #78

I wonder how much the Church made off that? get the red out Jun 2014 #57

As much as possible, and then some, most likely with "fringe benefits" not yet disclosed. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #72

Bet you're correct on that! get the red out Jun 2014 #79

The Galway Experiment KamaAina Jun 2014 #73

Is Joe Pesci finally ready to apologize to Sinead O'Connor? joeybee12 Jun 2014 #75

I guess you missed this... Scurrilous Jun 2014 #76

And you missed this: More Irish mass graves likely to be found, warns Archbishop of Dublin... beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #81

What people who care about facts are saying� the story is bad enough as it is sticking to facts KittyWampus Jun 2014 #83

I'm done with you. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #84

#1. I didn't cry for links, but when I DID go to the links from actual news sources KittyWampus Jun 2014 #104

More 'mass graves?' They've yet to uncover one. Scurrilous Jun 2014 #86

from your link:40 years after becoming common knowledge, Irish government to investigate mass graves beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #87

I jumped into this thread to post the NY Times article ... Scurrilous Jun 2014 #88

"Whether these graves exist"? They already admitted it, they've known about it for 40 years beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #92

Couple of extra links for you theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #95

Thank you, those will come in handy. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #96

Link 1: "'the Sisters are careful and attentive; diets are excellent.'" ucrdem Jun 2014 #99

So that's what you carried away from that article? theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #102

That is what the 1947 report says, yes. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #103

But of course it said a lot more, didn't it. theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #106

You mean "'diets are excellent?'" Sorry if I left that out. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #112

Wow. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #107

Yes, wow. Scratch half a millimeter and there goes all the fun. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #110

The title of the article: Children at Tuam home were 'emaciated' and starved beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #124

Read the 1947 report, quoted in the same article: ucrdem Jun 2014 #125

I cited excerpts and facts from the report. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #128

"An extract from the report notes the shocking number of deaths of babies in the home" beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #129

The report cites "infection" as a possible cause, NOT neglect or malnutrition. ucrdem Jun 2014 #133

"She described the death rate as "scandalous", adding that it was "simply colossal"." beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #131

The 1947 report describes "careful and attentive" care and "excellent" diet. LINK: ucrdem Jun 2014 #135

Link 2: "Bessborough mother-and-baby home in Co Cork. . ." ucrdem Jun 2014 #100

Believe it or not, I do have a rudimentary knowledge of geography theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #105

The report makes no mention of "abuse" so why pretend that it does? ucrdem Jun 2014 #109

There really is no limit to your denial theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #115

And I can just keep going and going and going... theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #116

Like this... theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #118

Average mortality at the Tuam home: 1.8 deaths per month, ucrdem Jun 2014 #119

That's Cork, not Galway. The OP is about the Tuam home in Galway. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #117

And this... theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #120

And this, the 1947 report's conclusion: ucrdem Jun 2014 #122

Link #1 theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #121

Reason, per link #1: ucrdem Jun 2014 #123

Your level of denial is something I find really sad theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #126

There's a reason Daily Mail has a very poor reputation. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #127

The article "Children at Tuam home were 'emaciated' and starved" is from the Sunday Independent. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #134

The 1947 report gives "infection" as a cause, NOT neglect or malnutrition. ucrdem Jun 2014 #136

What ARE you talking about theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #139

The 1947 report that flatly contradicts the Mail's shameful reporting. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #140

Did you actually have a response to my post theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #143

I've responded to the same post repeatedly. This is getting silly. nt ucrdem Jun 2014 #144

Yes, you've responded theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #147

She actually cited the Independent article in post #101 beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #146

Also from your link-BBC News: Almost 800 infants buried in unmarked graves in Tuam, County Galway beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #90

Let's read that "damning 1947 report" more carefully: ucrdem Jun 2014 #101

'"the Sisters are careful and attentive; diets are excellent.'" ucrdem Jun 2014 #113

"Medical experimentation" YarnAddict Jun 2014 #111

does testing occur on babies DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #160

The same thing??? YarnAddict Jun 2014 #161

More from the same article YarnAddict Jun 2014 #162

obviously, this one locale DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #163

Where is the "malice?" YarnAddict Jun 2014 #165

burying babies in a SEPTIC TANK DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #166

It most likely wasn't a septic tank YarnAddict Jun 2014 #168

(1) Catherine Corless found in local public record death certificates struggle4progress Jun 2014 #148

Thank you. ucrdem Jun 2014 #149

Sorry not buying anything from a UK news source RB TexLa Jun 2014 #164

ok DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #167

Here are a few of the latest articles theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #170

Call for UN role in mother-and-baby inquiry theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #171