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Savannahmann

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32. How do you use poll numbers from all the organizations
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jun 2014

How do you use poll numbers from all the organizations, and somehow spin the numbers to the RW? I'm curious, because when there is one that is odd, in other words, doesn't go with the pack, that one is included too. So how does math that factors in all the polling get spun to the RW? I'm not talking about the so called news links, just the collection of the polling data. Polls from Rethug sponsored firms are listed with an R after their name. Polls from Democratic Party sponsered firms are listed with a D after their name. But take a look at the long term numbers below the graph.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/senate/nc/north_carolina_senate_tillis_vs_hagan-3497.html

North Carolina.

Civitas (R) 5/20 - 5/22 600 RV 46 41 Tillis +5
PPP (D) 5/9 - 5/11 877 RV 41 41 Tie
Rasmussen Reports 5/7 - 5/8 750 LV 45 44 Tillis +1
Magellan Strategies (R) 4/14 - 4/15 804 LV 43 43 Tie
NY Times/Kaiser 4/8 - 4/15 900 RV 40 42 Hagan +2
PPP (D) 4/3 - 4/6 740 RV 41 43 Hagan +2
SurveyUSA 3/27 - 3/31 1489 LV 46 45 Tillis +1
PPP (D) 3/6 - 3/9 884 RV 43 45 Hagan +2
CEA/Hickman Analytics (D) 2/17 - 2/20 400 LV 41 45 Hagan +4
American Insights (R) 2/11 - 2/15 611 RV 35 38 Hagan +3
PPP (D) 2/6 - 2/9 708 RV 42 40 Tillis +2
Rasmussen Reports 1/22 - 1/23 500 LV 47 40 Tillis +7
PPP (D) 1/9 - 1/12 1384 RV 43 42 Tillis +1


Democratic leaning firms, Republican leaning firms, and firms linked with news organizations all bounce fairly close on the time line. A year ago, Senator Hagen was winning hands down. Now, depending on the poll, is going to win, or lose, by a rather narrow margin.

That can safely be said, no matter who is reporting it, to be a close race, a toss up. Now, what can happen to change it? The Rethug might do us a tremendous favor, and melt down under the spotlight and say something blatantly sexist/racist/homophobic. But we can't have as our main plan to win the election the hope that the Rethug will screw up. That outcome is handy when it happens, but not something you can count on. That's sort of like winning the lottery if you get my meaning. You might win the pick 3 in your state, you have the odds of 1 in a thousand. But that isn't exactly a dependable plan.

Option two, we can pour money, and expertise into North Carolina, and fight as if we can't afford to lose the race. Because we can't afford to lose the race. Or we can pour money into long shot candidates. People like Senator Walsh. The only thing that is going to save Senator Walsh is one of those miracles, where the Rethug is caught on camera ranting in a way that the people of Montana will reject. No amount of money is going to overcome the twelve point advantage of the Rethugs, at least not realistically speaking. That's the problem with Wendy Davis. The disadvantage is so large that it would take a ton of money to make a dent in that deficit in a statewide race.

So how is it that the numbers are somehow slewed to the Rethugs? Because if we aren't going to use polling to get the people's mood, and the snapshot of the attitudes, then that's fine. But we have to ban all polling on DU, because even the Democratic leaning companies have Senator Walsh losing in Montana. The Democratic leaning companies have Senator Hagen at or close enough to a tie that it will be a close race unless we do something to turn the opinions of the people around.

I'm not saying a miracle can't happen, or won't happen. I'm saying we can't base our plans and actions on that hope. Because it does happen, but not in every race.

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Canter Gone, so is the Senate [View all] Savannahmann Jun 2014 OP
VA 7 is not as important as keeping the Senate and picking Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #1
Did you see the no toss up for Governor yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #2
Yes. elleng Jun 2014 #4
I doubt the Dem party will put much into VA 7, elleng Jun 2014 #3
Spot on elleng - n/t PumpkinAle Jun 2014 #5
Th DNC probably won't spend a lot of time on VA-7 DFW Jun 2014 #8
YES, YES, and YES! elleng Jun 2014 #9
Nailed it, as always! Cooley Hurd Jun 2014 #11
The DNC needs to spend a lot of time on Kay Hagan (NC) as well. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #19
Wendy Davis is one of the distractions I mentioned. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #23
The Senate isn't the only thing that matters. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #24
What would be worse? Savannahmann Jun 2014 #25
Nice try. Horse with no Name Jun 2014 #33
There aren't any polls that show Wendy winning. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #36
Morning Joe? LOL Horse with no Name Jun 2014 #37
The facts remain Savannahmann Jun 2014 #38
We shouldn't concede ANY seat, state or federal. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #26
Childers vs. McDaniel Aerows Jun 2014 #6
Aren't Democrats Winning? erpowers Jun 2014 #7
RCP is wrong. Begich is leading every Thug. Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #12
I feel fairly confident that Mark will win. Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #13
Some of those are optimistic for the GOP. Chan790 Jun 2014 #10
I really do not understand your logic. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #14
So which is unlikely? Savannahmann Jun 2014 #17
Dean's 50 state strategy was great for 2006 and 2008 IronLionZion Jun 2014 #15
That 50 state strategy didn't work in 2k, 2002, or 2004. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #35
I prefer to wait until the votes are cast before conceding the Senate WI_DEM Jun 2014 #16
I agree. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #18
if Senate lost, will see the real Obama...unless we already have Leme Jun 2014 #20
I think we've been seeing him all along. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #27
that's close to my opinion Leme Jun 2014 #28
They're out for whatever headline du jour ... frazzled Jun 2014 #21
The Senate is gone , Obama already know this statementofgoods Jun 2014 #22
Name is spelled 'Cantor'. Are you under the impression that American elections are not always Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #29
My apologies on the typo Savannahmann Jun 2014 #30
Real Clear Politics? KamaAina Jun 2014 #31
How do you use poll numbers from all the organizations Savannahmann Jun 2014 #32
Yep. n/t Horse with no Name Jun 2014 #34
Doooooommmmmm. Gloooooooommmmmm. FSogol Jun 2014 #39
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