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In reply to the discussion: Snowden (who really does, apparently, have epilepsy) helps an epileptic. [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)52. Obama has been quoted as being for equality before he was against it.
So that doesn't even fly in the slightest.
He was on the record as pro-equality when he was a state legislator. He modified his position (i.e. lied) for the idiots in the red states when he ran for the Presidency. GHW Bush did the exact same thing on the issue of choice to get on the Reagan ticket.
No one ACTUALLY changed their minds in those two examples--they just bullshitted to get somewhere. Snowden did have a profound change of heart, for whatever reasons. It's some distance from "shooting leakers in the balls" to handing out the nation's secrets like Halloween candy.
If you don't believe that epilepsy, stroke and other brain issues have the capacity to change a person's thought process, then you are a pretty unique person. This is not a "bad" thing, it just IS. I don't know anyone with knowledge on these topics that would make the claim that the brain remains static in any event, but certainly not under the influence of something as portentous as epilepsy. The National Institutes of Health certainly think that changes are not uncommon:
But you go on ahead and insist that there's no possibility of any changes in anyone's thought process in any way as a consequence of epilepsy.
He was on the record as pro-equality when he was a state legislator. He modified his position (i.e. lied) for the idiots in the red states when he ran for the Presidency. GHW Bush did the exact same thing on the issue of choice to get on the Reagan ticket.
No one ACTUALLY changed their minds in those two examples--they just bullshitted to get somewhere. Snowden did have a profound change of heart, for whatever reasons. It's some distance from "shooting leakers in the balls" to handing out the nation's secrets like Halloween candy.
If you don't believe that epilepsy, stroke and other brain issues have the capacity to change a person's thought process, then you are a pretty unique person. This is not a "bad" thing, it just IS. I don't know anyone with knowledge on these topics that would make the claim that the brain remains static in any event, but certainly not under the influence of something as portentous as epilepsy. The National Institutes of Health certainly think that changes are not uncommon:
Epilepsy can be accompanied by changes in cognition, personality, affect, and other elements of behavior. There is no single epileptic constitution or personality complex. A unifying theme to the behavior in epilepsy is diversity. As one looks at the behavioral traits reported in epilepsy, a specific and consistent pattern is lacking. Rather, extremes of behavior are accentuated: sometimes in one direction, often in both directions. Changes in emotional state are prominent among behavioral features in epilepsy. Some authors describe a prominent deepening or increase in emotionality, whereas others identify a global decrease in emotional life and content. Emotional lability is also reported. Sexuality and libido are typically decreased, but fetishism, transvestism, exhibitionism, and hypersexual episodes also occur. Concerns over morality may be lacking or exaggerated. Patients may be irritable and aggressive or timid and apathetic. The impressive list of people with epilepsy in politics, religion, arts, and sciences suggests a positive expression of this behavioral spectrum. Psychosis, depression, paranoia, and personality disorders may represent a negative pole of epilepsy-related behavioral changes. The most important aspect of behavioral changes in epilepsy for physicians is to recognize and treat dysfunctional behavior. Depression is a common problem that is often unrecognized and untreated. Other treatable problems include impotence, anxiety, panic attacks, and psychosis. Identifying risk factors will, it is hoped, assist in developing methods to prevent these disorders.
But you go on ahead and insist that there's no possibility of any changes in anyone's thought process in any way as a consequence of epilepsy.
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Snowden (who really does, apparently, have epilepsy) helps an epileptic. [View all]
MADem
Jun 2014
OP
I guess the take-away here is that no one that has epilepsy and has had a seizure can be trusted...
MADem
Jun 2014
#16
it is strange, i'm trying to figure out what the problem was or if i missed some other threads
JI7
Jun 2014
#58
Hyper religiosity and sexuality are pretty major changes, so your very post belies your thesis.
MADem
Jun 2014
#94
Wouldn't some of the multiple brain surgeries that some epileptics have also be a factor?
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#127
Any time you poke, prod, investigate, bump or insult the brain, there's potential
MADem
Jun 2014
#129
YES! I actually had a "in law" (cousin's bride) who had to go through with that.
MADem
Jun 2014
#135
No, YOUR attempt to tar others as saying something they did not is a "new low". Epilepsy MAY
KittyWampus
Jun 2014
#30
Really? Have you ever known anyone who suffers from epilepsy? I have, the worst kind, and she
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#35
What IS the 'body of knowledge' on the subject, and how does it have any effect on the disclosures
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#48
The thread is about a Whistle Blower. I see nothing in the OP that discusses the condition
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#79
Perhaps you should read more closely. I have asked repeatedly what this has to do with what
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#85
What does it have to do with the evidence of massive crimes committed against the American
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#96
I find it odd that anyone cares about Snowden's health issues unless they contradict the evidence he
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#49
I find it odd that you are so frantically trying to disrupt a thread about epilepsy.
MADem
Jun 2014
#67
The thread is about Snowden, is it not? If you want to post a thread about epilepsy
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#75
This thread is about Snowden's EPILEPSY and the fact that he helped a woman with EPILEPSY
MADem
Jun 2014
#113
'Ugly' to you, perhaps, but relevant to explaining why Snowden's personality changed.
randome
Jun 2014
#23
How does one get from 'I'm a Christian so I think marriage is for one man and one woman because
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2014
#37
That's an interesting point. A few work colleagues have commented about him, but in
MADem
Jun 2014
#74
Explain what relevance this has to the information of massive crimes against the American people
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#51
So this IS an attempt to smear Snowden. And there is NO evidence that the comments from the right
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#36
You think that this changes the evidence presented by Snowden about the violations of
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#72
The article is very favorable to Snowden. I'm not understanding the complaints about it.
MADem
Jun 2014
#119
You read a little generic speculation based on a news report, and turned it, in YOUR head,
MADem
Jun 2014
#20
So what is your point in posting the information, frankly I don't care what illness a whistle blower
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#38
You misunderstand, I don't care what illness a Whistle Blower may suffer from in relation to
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#47
So, if we "mention" that Snowden broke both his legs in Army boot camp, are we "smearing" him, too?
MADem
Jun 2014
#61
Gee, I'm just too riled up at the moment to actually read the rest of the thread..
nenagh
Jun 2014
#64
Yes--it's very interesting to learn who attaches feelings of shame or demands silence
MADem
Jun 2014
#181
Thanks for the details. I remember the propaganda part goes back to when Snowden was new.
Octafish
Jun 2014
#187
If you dig down into other posts in this thread, you will see where I am going with this.
MADem
Jun 2014
#198
Again, YOU are the one equating epilepsy to mental illness. As if mental illness is so horrifying.
KittyWampus
Jun 2014
#31
Can you explain what Snowden's health has to do with what Gore called 'worse law breaking than
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#40
Why are you asking me if you should start a thread that blatantly tells a falsehood
MADem
Jun 2014
#108
And yet...I never used the term "mental illness" but "neurological disorder".
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#192
I'm not supposed to mention that Snowden has epilepsy, or, apparently that he helped a woman with it
MADem
Jun 2014
#105
So because people support the person THEY VOTED FOR....that somehow means they are classless?
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#143
HERE now you have both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#162
Considerably more polite than the deliberate and crude personal insult you lobbed.
MADem
Jun 2014
#169
There are people on this website who are trying to twist this entire thread into something
MADem
Jun 2014
#195