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MADem

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61. So, if we "mention" that Snowden broke both his legs in Army boot camp, are we "smearing" him, too?

Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:33 PM

Jun 2014

You're the one who seems to be associating something "shameful" with what is not an uncommon medical condition.

I can't help but wonder why you're making that association.

I certainly don't "mind" what you do, but I think you are displaying an unrecognized prejudice by getting huffy about what is simple fact, and trying to pretend that something that could very likely be quite relevant is "irrelevant" because it doesn't suit some narrative you are concocting.

Epilepsy can change a person's mood, personality, word view, intellectual output, and other aspects of their thought processes. This is not in dispute, and it's not anything to be "ashamed" about. You, though, are treating it as though it is something negative that must be denied.

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Snowden (who really does, apparently, have epilepsy) helps an epileptic. [View all] MADem Jun 2014 OP

Quite a personality change, wasn't it? randome Jun 2014 #1

Yep-I HAVE heard of that happening. Same thing happens with strokes, too. MADem Jun 2014 #2

This is a new low for DU Aerows Jun 2014 #9

I guess the take-away here is that no one that has epilepsy and has had a seizure can be trusted... MADem Jun 2014 #16

I refuse to discuss this with you further Aerows Jun 2014 #17

Of COURSE you do--because you can't back up the crap you threw at me. MADem Jun 2014 #21

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #44

I don't get it either. MADem Jun 2014 #56

it is strange, i'm trying to figure out what the problem was or if i missed some other threads JI7 Jun 2014 #58

Maybe this thread needs a nipple or two or three to really get it going! randome Jun 2014 #60

Or a NSFT warning label--because, ya know, discussion of well-known MADem Jun 2014 #62

If this discussion were concerning Joe or Jane Average ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #66

I think you are quite right. nt MADem Jun 2014 #68

I'm discussing Joe or Jane Average RainDog Jun 2014 #77

Hyper religiosity and sexuality are pretty major changes, so your very post belies your thesis. MADem Jun 2014 #94

does Snowden have temporal lobe epilepsy? RainDog Jun 2014 #120

I have a young relative who endures seizures. MADem Jun 2014 #128

Wouldn't some of the multiple brain surgeries that some epileptics have also be a factor? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #127

Any time you poke, prod, investigate, bump or insult the brain, there's potential MADem Jun 2014 #129

right....that's what I thought too... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #133

YES! I actually had a "in law" (cousin's bride) who had to go through with that. MADem Jun 2014 #135

Point taken. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #107

Anything that touches St. Eddie treestar Jun 2014 #93

IAWS elias49 Jun 2014 #100

+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #168

No, YOUR attempt to tar others as saying something they did not is a "new low". Epilepsy MAY KittyWampus Jun 2014 #30

Really? Have you ever known anyone who suffers from epilepsy? I have, the worst kind, and she sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #35

So your experience with a single individual ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #46

What IS the 'body of knowledge' on the subject, and how does it have any effect on the disclosures sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #48

Correct me if I'm wrong; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #65

The thread is about a Whistle Blower. I see nothing in the OP that discusses the condition sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #79

Then, you clearly did not read the post you responded to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #84

Perhaps you should read more closely. I have asked repeatedly what this has to do with what sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #85

But your repeated asking is a non sequitor to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #86

What does it have to do with the evidence of massive crimes committed against the American sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #96

Exactly!!! 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #106

This thread is not about what Snowden disclosed. Try to follow along. MADem Jun 2014 #109

+1. Jumped in. Feet first. Attempted to hijack. Not a clue. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #88

Same old shit...different day. zappaman Jun 2014 #122

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #170

I didn't see that implicated until you made it... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #136

I just posted a link to an EPILEPSY WEBSITE. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #123

No one said that treestar Jun 2014 #91

omg, this again?? grasswire Jun 2014 #3

There is abundant evidence that epilepsy can lead to behavioral disorders. randome Jun 2014 #4

I know someone who underwent electroshock treatment, for the usual reasons, MADem Jun 2014 #6

I find it odd that anyone cares about Snowden's health issues unless they contradict the evidence he sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #49

I find it odd that you are so frantically trying to disrupt a thread about epilepsy. MADem Jun 2014 #67

The thread is about Snowden, is it not? If you want to post a thread about epilepsy sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #75

This thread is about Snowden's EPILEPSY and the fact that he helped a woman with EPILEPSY MADem Jun 2014 #113

I honestly cannot believe Aerows Jun 2014 #12

Hello? Focus, please. randome Jun 2014 #19

As I said to MADem Aerows Jun 2014 #22

'Ugly' to you, perhaps, but relevant to explaining why Snowden's personality changed. randome Jun 2014 #23

How does one get from 'I'm a Christian so I think marriage is for one man and one woman because Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #37

to say nothing of the possibility of "radicalization" grasswire Jun 2014 #41

All those people interacted with other people. randome Jun 2014 #59

oh noes grasswire Jun 2014 #69

Not at all. Just saying he was probably never radicalized by anyone. randome Jun 2014 #83

Hey!!! nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #189

Really. One's enough. randome Jun 2014 #191

This place couldn't handle more than one of me. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #194

That's an interesting point. A few work colleagues have commented about him, but in MADem Jun 2014 #74

"They saw truth, and they changed" doesn't require a community. deurbano Jun 2014 #161

agreed. grasswire Jun 2014 #166

We all have paradigm shifts Aerows Jun 2014 #180

Obama has been quoted as being for equality before he was against it. MADem Jun 2014 #52

Obama was playing politics, that was clear from the onset. randome Jun 2014 #53

The only thing "gleeful" here is your gleeful attempt to play gotcha. MADem Jun 2014 #76

Explain what relevance this has to the information of massive crimes against the American people sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #51

None. randome Jun 2014 #54

Good, glad that has been cleared up, thanks for YOUR time. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #81

Explain what relevance that has to do with the OP? MADem Jun 2014 #63

So this IS an attempt to smear Snowden. And there is NO evidence that the comments from the right sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #36

You disagree that epilepsy can change one's behavior? randome Jun 2014 #57

You think that this changes the evidence presented by Snowden about the violations of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #72

Might have had an impact on where he went to express his concerns. nt MADem Jun 2014 #145

His decision was an excellent one. Which only proves how rational he is. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #164

Coulda fooled me. He didn't sound all that thrilled talking to Brian Williams. MADem Jun 2014 #179

What "right wing website?" Ars Technica is a computer expert's website. MADem Jun 2014 #70

Taggespiegel is a classical liberal/libertarian publication grasswire Jun 2014 #114

The article is very favorable to Snowden. I'm not understanding the complaints about it. MADem Jun 2014 #119

Jury results Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #183

Who said anything about mental illness? Answer--YOU DID. And ONLY YOU. MADem Jun 2014 #5

Um no Aerows Jun 2014 #11

No I did not. You have serious reading comprehension issues. MADem Jun 2014 #13

Aerows read the thread and the little gleeful conversation Aerows Jun 2014 #15

You read a little generic speculation based on a news report, and turned it, in YOUR head, MADem Jun 2014 #20

So what is your point in posting the information, frankly I don't care what illness a whistle blower sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #38

If you DON'T CARE, why are you here telling me how much you don't care? MADem Jun 2014 #42

You misunderstand, I don't care what illness a Whistle Blower may suffer from in relation to sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #47

So, if we "mention" that Snowden broke both his legs in Army boot camp, are we "smearing" him, too? MADem Jun 2014 #61

If a person has epilepsy Aerows Jun 2014 #10

THANK YOU grasswire Jun 2014 #14

I feel sick as well... and very angry ... nenagh Jun 2014 #33

thank you grasswire Jun 2014 #34

I just didn't think to read anything like this on DU... nenagh Jun 2014 #50

I'm sorry you had to read it here, too Aerows Jun 2014 #55

Gee, I'm just too riled up at the moment to actually read the rest of the thread.. nenagh Jun 2014 #64

I have some HUGE tomatoes growing Aerows Jun 2014 #71

That's hilarious...cucumbers hiding under the leaves. nenagh Jun 2014 #82

I love English Lavender Aerows Jun 2014 #87

What's "wrong" with electroshock therapy? Why are you prejudiced against MADem Jun 2014 #73

Have you ever planted celery? Good stuff elias49 Jun 2014 #89

I am a pharmacist who worked for many years in a psychiatric hospital nenagh Jun 2014 #118

You are making false accusations, and you have the NERVE to talk about how MADem Jun 2014 #121

MADem, at least read the comment correctly before you blast me... nenagh Jun 2014 #126

YOU were the one who rather eagerly dragged "fear" into the room, not me. MADem Jun 2014 #134

Why are you going so aggressively Aerows Jun 2014 #138

"I am a doctor and I say Snowden's brain took a hit" WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #149

Perhaps the person to whom you are responding shouldn't MADem Jun 2014 #157

Just ugly Aerows Jun 2014 #172

Why are you getting so piqued about it? MADem Jun 2014 #154

On the contrary Aerows Jun 2014 #173

Yes--it's very interesting to learn who attaches feelings of shame or demands silence MADem Jun 2014 #181

Me too, truly despicable. I'm sorry you had to see this here on DU! sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #39

Propaganda 101 Octafish Jun 2014 #24

It's really sad Aerows Jun 2014 #25

Yup. Octafish Jun 2014 #28

Anyone and anything will be used woo me with science Jun 2014 #32

Definitely one of the more disgusting things I've seen on DU. nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #95

I know Aerows Jun 2014 #99

+1 The lowest sort of propaganda, woo me with science Jun 2014 #26

Secret agents. Secret agendas. Secret government. Secret beneficiaries. Octafish Jun 2014 #29

Thanks for kicking the thread with a nasty and nefarious assertion. MADem Jun 2014 #80

Nasty? Oh dear. Better log off NSFW!! elias49 Jun 2014 #90

Go pick on someone else. nt MADem Jun 2014 #110

Yes and I also read the post I replied to. Octafish Jun 2014 #116

The person doing Snowden the favor WAS, in fact, doing Snowden a favor. MADem Jun 2014 #177

Thanks for the details. I remember the propaganda part goes back to when Snowden was new. Octafish Jun 2014 #187

If you dig down into other posts in this thread, you will see where I am going with this. MADem Jun 2014 #198

thanks for the links, Octafish grasswire Jun 2014 #221

No, that's not where "they" went, but thanks for potstirring! nt MADem Jun 2014 #43

There you go, with that phony "claimed" assertion again. MADem Jun 2014 #78

No--that's where YOU and YOU ALONE went. Shame on YOU. MADem Jun 2014 #197

Again, YOU are the one equating epilepsy to mental illness. As if mental illness is so horrifying. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #31

Can you explain what Snowden's health has to do with what Gore called 'worse law breaking than sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #40

Thank you--this "sky is falling, oh the humanity" game is getting old. MADem Jun 2014 #45

Not 'salient' at all. elias49 Jun 2014 #92

Nonsense. It "diverts" from your prosecution of a theme, perhaps. MADem Jun 2014 #97

Nope. Sorry. Large FAIL on your part. elias49 Jun 2014 #98

Why are you asking me if you should start a thread that blatantly tells a falsehood MADem Jun 2014 #108

Yes, you should. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #184

Gotta say Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #140

Cue a Big Picture Theme Song!! MADem Jun 2014 #142

I see no mention of mental illness in the OP. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #111

context: a thread from May27 grasswire Jun 2014 #130

Context is truly everything Aerows Jun 2014 #131

It's my ignore list, lol. morningfog Jun 2014 #159

It isn't that mental illness is shameful, no not at all. grasswire Jun 2014 #153

And yet...I never used the term "mental illness" but "neurological disorder". msanthrope Jun 2014 #192

Precisely. MADem Jun 2014 #199

It must totally suck being in Russia, and unable to drink. msanthrope Jun 2014 #7

How horrifying! nt MADem Jun 2014 #8

A fate worse than death I tell ya! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #137

At least you had the decency Aerows Jun 2014 #18

Did you ever find out how you got there? greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #27

Yeah...and but for being sick at the end, it was a blast. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #188

LOL. If it was me, I'd certainly want to know. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #193

Ouch...1,000+ 'views', 4 recs! elias49 Jun 2014 #101

Are you OK? MADem Jun 2014 #103

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Egods.. what is this? Grade school? Cha Jun 2014 #124

I don't see what everyone is outraged about ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #102

I'm not supposed to mention that Snowden has epilepsy, or, apparently that he helped a woman with it MADem Jun 2014 #105

Uhm, in regards to the subthread above, Jamastiene Jun 2014 #112

I don't understand it either, and I don't think there's anything "wrong" MADem Jun 2014 #115

All of the conditions you mentioned just now are treatable. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #125

Jeez--hemispherectomy...the first time I heard about that I said WTF? MADem Jun 2014 #141

proverbial turds in the punchbowl is all.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #139

Interesting read ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #117

Obama is a class act... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #132

So because people support the person THEY VOTED FOR....that somehow means they are classless? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #143

Take a few breaths and read it again, VR. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #147

I am not the "breathless" one here.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #150

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #155

I can't either Aerows Jun 2014 #146

I agree. But it's the same small crew over and over and over... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #148

NO....I think you have the "same small crew" on the wrong foot here! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #152

Of COURSE you can't!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #151

Use a few more exclamation points. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #156

HERE now you have both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #162

see my subthread where I posted part of a thread from May 27 grasswire Jun 2014 #165

It dehumanizes him Aerows Jun 2014 #176

Go back and read the entire thread ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #182

Stellar summation!!! nt MADem Jun 2014 #200

The fact that you would think NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #175

and ^^^ THIS!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #144

I've always believed that by their words we'll know them. MADem Jun 2014 #167

Attack the messenger by any means JEB Jun 2014 #158

Is your hand broken? MADem Jun 2014 #160

Sport, eh? JEB Jun 2014 #163

Considerably more polite than the deliberate and crude personal insult you lobbed. MADem Jun 2014 #169

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #171

hard to believe your post below was hidden... grasswire Jun 2014 #185

What an amazing thread... SidDithers Jun 2014 #174

I'm stunned at some of the less-than-progressive attitudes. MADem Jun 2014 #178

I hope that DUers Aerows Jun 2014 #186

I do,too because if they do, they will see EXACTLY what you are doing. MADem Jun 2014 #196

My little brother had epilespy as a toddler Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #190

There are people on this website who are trying to twist this entire thread into something MADem Jun 2014 #195

your fairly creepy deep obsession with Snowden aside... grasswire Jun 2014 #201

Look. Who's. Talking!!! MADem Jun 2014 #202

my flag grasswire Jun 2014 #203

You aren't flying that one here. MADem Jun 2014 #206

Bullshit. grasswire Jun 2014 #214

Getting a little irritated, are you? MADem Jun 2014 #218

"make a bad situation worse" grasswire Jun 2014 #219

Stop trying to pretend you're a "victim" now. MADem Jun 2014 #222

I don't see how Snowden's medical condition is salient Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #215

That's nice. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. nt MADem Jun 2014 #216

My youngest son, 27, is an epileptic nilesobek Jun 2014 #204

I beg your pardon? Your post is full of misstatements, to put it kindly. MADem Jun 2014 #205

Let me know if you feel the same way nilesobek Jun 2014 #207

You might want to contact Dr. Gupta's office, and find out more about that cannabis oil. MADem Jun 2014 #209

Well MADem, nilesobek Jun 2014 #210

PLEASE look at the documentary I provided. PLEASE. MADem Jun 2014 #211

And I had promised to stay away from Snowden threads, nilesobek Jun 2014 #212

I hope your son finds a solution in it. MADem Jun 2014 #213

Cannabis is a prescription medication for certain brain issues RainDog Jun 2014 #220

+1 nt MADem Jun 2014 #223

As the parent of an epileptic adult child.. grasswire Jun 2014 #217

Thank you for your kindness and understanding. nilesobek Jun 2014 #224

this is not true about the 30 year life span, there are exceptions JI7 Jun 2014 #208