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MADem

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94. Hyper religiosity and sexuality are pretty major changes, so your very post belies your thesis.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:32 PM
Jun 2014

And I've done a little reading on this topic, and sorry--major personality changes ARE possible, and they aren't all focused on depression and anxiety, either. A "hyper-moral" or "ethical" or "religious/spiritual" component is an oft-repeated theme. That's not necessarily a bad thing, of course, but someone who is a party animal can suddenly become serious and overly concerned with ethics, or religion, or morality, or things of that nature.

I've posted a few links in this thread, but here are more (abstracts, a bit of a slog) :

http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/10496229


A deepening of emotionality with a serious, highly ethical, and spiritual demeanor has been described by clinicians as a positive personality change among patients with chronic mesial temporal lobe epilepsy. Some of these patients tend to be particularly orderly and detailed in their speech and actions (viscosity) and often experience a relative decrease in sexual interest and arousal. These personality changes, distinct from personality changes noted in any other individuals, are subtle in the majority of patients with chronic epilepsy. Patients with the described personality changes may also develop intermittent symptoms of an interictal dysphoric disorder, with episodes of irritable moods that contrast with a predominantly good-natured attitude and for which the patients will be remorseful. The Bear-Fedio Inventory needs to be further modified before it can serve as an adequate instrument for assessing the prevailing personality changes and the intermittent dysphoric symptoms.


http://journals.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=1034926


This study used the Bear-Fedio Personality Inventory (BFI) to compare 41 individuals with temporal lobe epilepsy (TLE) and 37 with psychogenic non-epileptic seizures (NES). Both groups exhibited similar elevations on the BFI, although TLE individuals show greater endorsement of at least one hypergraphia symptom, as compared with those with NES. The correlates of the BFI with demographic and seizure characteristics differed between the groups. These results argue against a specific TLE personality syndrome and suggest that personality characteristics may be related to the experience of having repeated seizures, rather than the specific underlying pathophysiology of temporal lobe epilepsy.

....The concept of a distinct interictal behavioral syndrome in TLE was initially described by Gastaut9 and named by Geschwind and Waxman.10 Characteristic traits included changes in sexual behavior and aggression, increased philosophic and religious concerns, viscosity, and compulsive writing (often referred to as the “Gastaut-Geschwind” syndrome).

In response to lack of evidence for this syndrome with traditional measures of personality and psychopathology (e.g., MMPI, Rorschach), Bear and Fedio developed a scale (Bear-Fedio Inventory [BFI]) measuring 18 proposed TLE behavioral traits and administered the scale to individuals with TLE, healthy control subjects, and individuals with neuromuscular disorders.11 They found that TLE patients endorsed more traits than both healthy-controls and the medical-contrasting group. The traits that were most discriminating included deepened emotions, circumstantiality, altered religious and sexual concerns, and hypergraphia. After Bear and Fedio's publication, a number of studies investigated the BFI instrument and the hypothesis that these personality and behavioral traits were specific to TLE. By and large, studies support the notion that individuals with TLE exhibit increased behavioral traits on the BFI as compared with healthy-controls and other medical groups. There is also recent work showing that individuals with TLE and bilateral hippocampal atrophy endorse more behavioral traits than those with epilepsy and no-atrophy.12 Similarly, Trimble and Freeman found that individuals with epilepsy and increased religiosity endorsed hypergraphia, greater emotionality, and increased philosophical ideas than individuals with TLE with no religiosity.13 There remains significant controversy about whether the syndrome is distinctive to TLE, given mixed findings when comparing individuals with TLE and patients with psychiatric illness or individuals with generalized epilepsy. Several authors suggest that the BFI measures general psychopathology, rather than a specific TLE syndrome.14,15 Shetty and Trimble carefully reviewed findings from past studies and concluded that most studies support the original Bear and Fedio results that the BFI can differentiate between TLE and other healthy, neurologic, or psychiatric groups. They argued that evidence supports a distinct TLE behavioral syndrome.16 They also suggest that the most consistent traits seem to match up with the original Geschwind syndrome (i.e., religiosity, hypergraphia, hypermoralism), suggesting that further refinement of the scale might be useful. Although only a minority of patients develop these syndromes, at least a subset of individuals with TLE exhibit the characteristic interictal personality traits. Whether these traits are truly specific to TLE remains an open question. The current study examines differences between patients with TLE and NES on the BFI. To-date, no studies have been published describing the BFI in individuals with NES. Understanding interictal personality traits in NES may help differentiate patients with TLE and NES in clinical evaluation. It is also of theoretical interest because both patient groups experience seizure behavior, but only the TLE group has pathologic electrical activity in limbic structures. Given previous BFI study results, we hypothesized that patients with TLE would endorse more symptoms on the BFI than those with NES....


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1528-1167.2012.03602.x/full

Different from frontal lobe epilepsy, which has not yet been evaluated in greater detail, the question of a characteristic organic personality change (“Wesensänderung”) in temporal lobe epilepsy is a continuing matter of discussion (Blumer, 1999; Devinsky & Najjar, 1999; Hoppe et al., 2010). On a phenomenologic level, it is difficult to differentiate the so-called “temporal lobe personality” with deepened emotionality, circumstantial thought, philosophical and religious concerns, hypergraphia, and alterations in sexuality (Waxman & Geschwind, 1975) from anxiety, depression, the so-called interictal dysphoric mood disorder, or memory, word finding and naming problems, which are frequent comorbidities in temporal lobe epilepsy (Gilliam et al., 2004; Kobau et al., 2006). Whereas anxiety and depression refer to Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) diagnoses, the interictal dysphoric mood disorder, in the tradition of Kraepelin, is characterized by an intermittent and pleomorphic symptomatology (e.g., irritability, depressive moods and anxiety, headaches, insomnia, and euphoric states) accompanied also by more positive behavioral features (quiet, modest, devoted, amicable, helpful, industrious, thrifty, honest, and deeply religious). The clinical picture of the interictal dysphoric mood disorder thus ranges somewhere between clinically manifest depression and organic personality change (Blumer et al., 2004). Apart from this, clinically manifest personality disorders can well be observed in symptomatic focal epilepsies (Lopez-Rodriguez et al., 1999; Hermann et al., 2000; Swinkels et al., 2003). The reported rates range from 4–38% (Swinkels et al., 2005). In regard to depression in TLE, it should be noted that the relation between a mesolimbic pathology and depression may be at hand, but that most studies on this issue lack a control group of patients with other focal epilepsies (e.g., FLE). A major reason for the missing clinical control group may simply be that temporal lobe epilepsies make up the majority of the chronic symptomatic focal epilepsies (approximately 80%) in comparison to FLE (approximately 15%), or posterior epilepsies (approximately 5%). Therefore, without a control group of other located epilepsies, specificity of depression and mood problems in temporal lobe epilepsy cannot be taken as guaranteed.

As a concept, “personality” is by definition more trait dependent than state dependent, and particularly in epilepsy it is difficult to determine whether a given behavior has really trait characteristics or not. In epilepsy several factors can be discerned that can lead to dynamic and principally reversible changes in the patients’ behavior and mood states.

Analogous to the multifactorial etiologic model of cognitive dysfunction in epilepsy (Kwan & Brodie, 2001; Elger et al., 2004), changes in personality and mood may be due to epilepsy-related factors such as underlying brain lesions, seizures, and interictal epileptic dysfunction. In addition, psychotropic side effects of antiepileptic drugs (Hessen et al., 2007; Helmstaedter et al., 2008) and reactive factors must be taken into consideration (Tarsitani & Bertolote, 2006). Therefore, for the closer understanding of behavioral abnormalities in epilepsy, the consideration of both, more dynamic and more static factors appears essential. Periictal and interictal epileptic activity can induce cognitive and behavioral problems, and the effects may not be limited to the affected lobe given that propagation of epileptic activity may also disturb neuronal networks beyond the primary lesion or epileptogenic zone (Shulman, 2000). The direct 1:1 influence of interictal activity on behavior in focal symptomatic epilepsy is difficult to demonstrate. Positive behavioral change after successful temporal lobe surgery, however, provides some indirect evidence that seizures and epileptic dysfunction do negatively affect behavior (Lendt et al., 2000; Reuber et al., 2004; Witt et al., 2008).

As for the pathologies, which underlie temporal of frontal lobe epilepsies, these can be more or less systemic and have different onsets within the life span, and thus have different effects on brain maturation and the development of cognitive functions and personality. Lesions can be more stationary like posttraumatic lesions, migration disorders, or developmental tumors or they are dynamic and potentially progressive like in the case of limbic encephalitis, mitochondrial encephalopathies, or tumors. In addition, one must not forget influences of often longstanding antiepileptic medication on patients’ behavior. Antiepileptic drugs may have positive and desirable or negative and adverse psychotropic side effects, and the effects may be reversible, as in most cases, or irreversible (Ketter et al., 1999; Ettinger & Argoff, 2007).


Snowden's epilepsy, we learned from the link at the OP, is adult-onset, and apparently his mother suffers with it as well.

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Quite a personality change, wasn't it? randome Jun 2014 #1
Yep-I HAVE heard of that happening. Same thing happens with strokes, too. MADem Jun 2014 #2
This is a new low for DU Aerows Jun 2014 #9
I guess the take-away here is that no one that has epilepsy and has had a seizure can be trusted... MADem Jun 2014 #16
I refuse to discuss this with you further Aerows Jun 2014 #17
Of COURSE you do--because you can't back up the crap you threw at me. MADem Jun 2014 #21
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #44
I don't get it either. MADem Jun 2014 #56
it is strange, i'm trying to figure out what the problem was or if i missed some other threads JI7 Jun 2014 #58
Maybe this thread needs a nipple or two or three to really get it going! randome Jun 2014 #60
Or a NSFT warning label--because, ya know, discussion of well-known MADem Jun 2014 #62
If this discussion were concerning Joe or Jane Average ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #66
I think you are quite right. nt MADem Jun 2014 #68
I'm discussing Joe or Jane Average RainDog Jun 2014 #77
Hyper religiosity and sexuality are pretty major changes, so your very post belies your thesis. MADem Jun 2014 #94
does Snowden have temporal lobe epilepsy? RainDog Jun 2014 #120
I have a young relative who endures seizures. MADem Jun 2014 #128
Wouldn't some of the multiple brain surgeries that some epileptics have also be a factor? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #127
Any time you poke, prod, investigate, bump or insult the brain, there's potential MADem Jun 2014 #129
right....that's what I thought too... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #133
YES! I actually had a "in law" (cousin's bride) who had to go through with that. MADem Jun 2014 #135
Point taken. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #107
Anything that touches St. Eddie treestar Jun 2014 #93
IAWS elias49 Jun 2014 #100
+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #168
No, YOUR attempt to tar others as saying something they did not is a "new low". Epilepsy MAY KittyWampus Jun 2014 #30
Really? Have you ever known anyone who suffers from epilepsy? I have, the worst kind, and she sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #35
So your experience with a single individual ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #46
What IS the 'body of knowledge' on the subject, and how does it have any effect on the disclosures sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #48
Correct me if I'm wrong; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #65
The thread is about a Whistle Blower. I see nothing in the OP that discusses the condition sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #79
Then, you clearly did not read the post you responded to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #84
Perhaps you should read more closely. I have asked repeatedly what this has to do with what sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #85
But your repeated asking is a non sequitor to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #86
What does it have to do with the evidence of massive crimes committed against the American sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #96
Exactly!!! 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #106
This thread is not about what Snowden disclosed. Try to follow along. MADem Jun 2014 #109
+1. Jumped in. Feet first. Attempted to hijack. Not a clue. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #88
Same old shit...different day. zappaman Jun 2014 #122
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #170
I didn't see that implicated until you made it... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #136
I just posted a link to an EPILEPSY WEBSITE. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #123
No one said that treestar Jun 2014 #91
omg, this again?? grasswire Jun 2014 #3
There is abundant evidence that epilepsy can lead to behavioral disorders. randome Jun 2014 #4
I know someone who underwent electroshock treatment, for the usual reasons, MADem Jun 2014 #6
I find it odd that anyone cares about Snowden's health issues unless they contradict the evidence he sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #49
I find it odd that you are so frantically trying to disrupt a thread about epilepsy. MADem Jun 2014 #67
The thread is about Snowden, is it not? If you want to post a thread about epilepsy sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #75
This thread is about Snowden's EPILEPSY and the fact that he helped a woman with EPILEPSY MADem Jun 2014 #113
I honestly cannot believe Aerows Jun 2014 #12
Hello? Focus, please. randome Jun 2014 #19
As I said to MADem Aerows Jun 2014 #22
'Ugly' to you, perhaps, but relevant to explaining why Snowden's personality changed. randome Jun 2014 #23
How does one get from 'I'm a Christian so I think marriage is for one man and one woman because Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #37
to say nothing of the possibility of "radicalization" grasswire Jun 2014 #41
All those people interacted with other people. randome Jun 2014 #59
oh noes grasswire Jun 2014 #69
Not at all. Just saying he was probably never radicalized by anyone. randome Jun 2014 #83
Hey!!! nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #189
Really. One's enough. randome Jun 2014 #191
This place couldn't handle more than one of me. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #194
That's an interesting point. A few work colleagues have commented about him, but in MADem Jun 2014 #74
"They saw truth, and they changed" doesn't require a community. deurbano Jun 2014 #161
agreed. grasswire Jun 2014 #166
We all have paradigm shifts Aerows Jun 2014 #180
Obama has been quoted as being for equality before he was against it. MADem Jun 2014 #52
Obama was playing politics, that was clear from the onset. randome Jun 2014 #53
The only thing "gleeful" here is your gleeful attempt to play gotcha. MADem Jun 2014 #76
Explain what relevance this has to the information of massive crimes against the American people sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #51
None. randome Jun 2014 #54
Good, glad that has been cleared up, thanks for YOUR time. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #81
Explain what relevance that has to do with the OP? MADem Jun 2014 #63
So this IS an attempt to smear Snowden. And there is NO evidence that the comments from the right sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #36
You disagree that epilepsy can change one's behavior? randome Jun 2014 #57
You think that this changes the evidence presented by Snowden about the violations of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #72
Might have had an impact on where he went to express his concerns. nt MADem Jun 2014 #145
His decision was an excellent one. Which only proves how rational he is. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #164
Coulda fooled me. He didn't sound all that thrilled talking to Brian Williams. MADem Jun 2014 #179
What "right wing website?" Ars Technica is a computer expert's website. MADem Jun 2014 #70
Taggespiegel is a classical liberal/libertarian publication grasswire Jun 2014 #114
The article is very favorable to Snowden. I'm not understanding the complaints about it. MADem Jun 2014 #119
Jury results Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #183
Who said anything about mental illness? Answer--YOU DID. And ONLY YOU. MADem Jun 2014 #5
Um no Aerows Jun 2014 #11
No I did not. You have serious reading comprehension issues. MADem Jun 2014 #13
Aerows read the thread and the little gleeful conversation Aerows Jun 2014 #15
You read a little generic speculation based on a news report, and turned it, in YOUR head, MADem Jun 2014 #20
So what is your point in posting the information, frankly I don't care what illness a whistle blower sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #38
If you DON'T CARE, why are you here telling me how much you don't care? MADem Jun 2014 #42
You misunderstand, I don't care what illness a Whistle Blower may suffer from in relation to sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #47
So, if we "mention" that Snowden broke both his legs in Army boot camp, are we "smearing" him, too? MADem Jun 2014 #61
If a person has epilepsy Aerows Jun 2014 #10
THANK YOU grasswire Jun 2014 #14
I feel sick as well... and very angry ... nenagh Jun 2014 #33
thank you grasswire Jun 2014 #34
I just didn't think to read anything like this on DU... nenagh Jun 2014 #50
I'm sorry you had to read it here, too Aerows Jun 2014 #55
Gee, I'm just too riled up at the moment to actually read the rest of the thread.. nenagh Jun 2014 #64
I have some HUGE tomatoes growing Aerows Jun 2014 #71
That's hilarious...cucumbers hiding under the leaves. nenagh Jun 2014 #82
I love English Lavender Aerows Jun 2014 #87
What's "wrong" with electroshock therapy? Why are you prejudiced against MADem Jun 2014 #73
Have you ever planted celery? Good stuff elias49 Jun 2014 #89
I am a pharmacist who worked for many years in a psychiatric hospital nenagh Jun 2014 #118
You are making false accusations, and you have the NERVE to talk about how MADem Jun 2014 #121
MADem, at least read the comment correctly before you blast me... nenagh Jun 2014 #126
YOU were the one who rather eagerly dragged "fear" into the room, not me. MADem Jun 2014 #134
Why are you going so aggressively Aerows Jun 2014 #138
"I am a doctor and I say Snowden's brain took a hit" WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #149
Perhaps the person to whom you are responding shouldn't MADem Jun 2014 #157
Just ugly Aerows Jun 2014 #172
Why are you getting so piqued about it? MADem Jun 2014 #154
On the contrary Aerows Jun 2014 #173
Yes--it's very interesting to learn who attaches feelings of shame or demands silence MADem Jun 2014 #181
Me too, truly despicable. I'm sorry you had to see this here on DU! sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #39
Propaganda 101 Octafish Jun 2014 #24
It's really sad Aerows Jun 2014 #25
Yup. Octafish Jun 2014 #28
Anyone and anything will be used woo me with science Jun 2014 #32
Definitely one of the more disgusting things I've seen on DU. nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #95
I know Aerows Jun 2014 #99
+1 The lowest sort of propaganda, woo me with science Jun 2014 #26
Secret agents. Secret agendas. Secret government. Secret beneficiaries. Octafish Jun 2014 #29
Thanks for kicking the thread with a nasty and nefarious assertion. MADem Jun 2014 #80
Nasty? Oh dear. Better log off NSFW!! elias49 Jun 2014 #90
Go pick on someone else. nt MADem Jun 2014 #110
Yes and I also read the post I replied to. Octafish Jun 2014 #116
The person doing Snowden the favor WAS, in fact, doing Snowden a favor. MADem Jun 2014 #177
Thanks for the details. I remember the propaganda part goes back to when Snowden was new. Octafish Jun 2014 #187
If you dig down into other posts in this thread, you will see where I am going with this. MADem Jun 2014 #198
thanks for the links, Octafish grasswire Jun 2014 #221
No, that's not where "they" went, but thanks for potstirring! nt MADem Jun 2014 #43
There you go, with that phony "claimed" assertion again. MADem Jun 2014 #78
No--that's where YOU and YOU ALONE went. Shame on YOU. MADem Jun 2014 #197
Again, YOU are the one equating epilepsy to mental illness. As if mental illness is so horrifying. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #31
Can you explain what Snowden's health has to do with what Gore called 'worse law breaking than sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #40
Thank you--this "sky is falling, oh the humanity" game is getting old. MADem Jun 2014 #45
Not 'salient' at all. elias49 Jun 2014 #92
Nonsense. It "diverts" from your prosecution of a theme, perhaps. MADem Jun 2014 #97
Nope. Sorry. Large FAIL on your part. elias49 Jun 2014 #98
Why are you asking me if you should start a thread that blatantly tells a falsehood MADem Jun 2014 #108
Yes, you should. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #184
Gotta say Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #140
Cue a Big Picture Theme Song!! MADem Jun 2014 #142
I see no mention of mental illness in the OP. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #111
context: a thread from May27 grasswire Jun 2014 #130
Context is truly everything Aerows Jun 2014 #131
It's my ignore list, lol. morningfog Jun 2014 #159
It isn't that mental illness is shameful, no not at all. grasswire Jun 2014 #153
And yet...I never used the term "mental illness" but "neurological disorder". msanthrope Jun 2014 #192
Precisely. MADem Jun 2014 #199
It must totally suck being in Russia, and unable to drink. msanthrope Jun 2014 #7
How horrifying! nt MADem Jun 2014 #8
A fate worse than death I tell ya! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #137
At least you had the decency Aerows Jun 2014 #18
Did you ever find out how you got there? greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #27
Yeah...and but for being sick at the end, it was a blast. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #188
LOL. If it was me, I'd certainly want to know. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #193
Ouch...1,000+ 'views', 4 recs! elias49 Jun 2014 #101
Are you OK? MADem Jun 2014 #103
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #104
Egods.. what is this? Grade school? Cha Jun 2014 #124
I don't see what everyone is outraged about ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #102
I'm not supposed to mention that Snowden has epilepsy, or, apparently that he helped a woman with it MADem Jun 2014 #105
Uhm, in regards to the subthread above, Jamastiene Jun 2014 #112
I don't understand it either, and I don't think there's anything "wrong" MADem Jun 2014 #115
All of the conditions you mentioned just now are treatable. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #125
Jeez--hemispherectomy...the first time I heard about that I said WTF? MADem Jun 2014 #141
proverbial turds in the punchbowl is all.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #139
Interesting read ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #117
Obama is a class act... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #132
So because people support the person THEY VOTED FOR....that somehow means they are classless? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #143
Take a few breaths and read it again, VR. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #147
I am not the "breathless" one here.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #150
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #155
I can't either Aerows Jun 2014 #146
I agree. But it's the same small crew over and over and over... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #148
NO....I think you have the "same small crew" on the wrong foot here! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #152
Of COURSE you can't!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #151
Use a few more exclamation points. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #156
HERE now you have both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #162
see my subthread where I posted part of a thread from May 27 grasswire Jun 2014 #165
It dehumanizes him Aerows Jun 2014 #176
Go back and read the entire thread ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #182
Stellar summation!!! nt MADem Jun 2014 #200
The fact that you would think NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #175
and ^^^ THIS!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #144
I've always believed that by their words we'll know them. MADem Jun 2014 #167
Attack the messenger by any means JEB Jun 2014 #158
Is your hand broken? MADem Jun 2014 #160
Sport, eh? JEB Jun 2014 #163
Considerably more polite than the deliberate and crude personal insult you lobbed. MADem Jun 2014 #169
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #171
hard to believe your post below was hidden... grasswire Jun 2014 #185
What an amazing thread... SidDithers Jun 2014 #174
I'm stunned at some of the less-than-progressive attitudes. MADem Jun 2014 #178
I hope that DUers Aerows Jun 2014 #186
I do,too because if they do, they will see EXACTLY what you are doing. MADem Jun 2014 #196
My little brother had epilespy as a toddler Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #190
There are people on this website who are trying to twist this entire thread into something MADem Jun 2014 #195
your fairly creepy deep obsession with Snowden aside... grasswire Jun 2014 #201
Look. Who's. Talking!!! MADem Jun 2014 #202
my flag grasswire Jun 2014 #203
You aren't flying that one here. MADem Jun 2014 #206
Bullshit. grasswire Jun 2014 #214
Getting a little irritated, are you? MADem Jun 2014 #218
"make a bad situation worse" grasswire Jun 2014 #219
Stop trying to pretend you're a "victim" now. MADem Jun 2014 #222
I don't see how Snowden's medical condition is salient Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #215
That's nice. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. nt MADem Jun 2014 #216
My youngest son, 27, is an epileptic nilesobek Jun 2014 #204
I beg your pardon? Your post is full of misstatements, to put it kindly. MADem Jun 2014 #205
Let me know if you feel the same way nilesobek Jun 2014 #207
You might want to contact Dr. Gupta's office, and find out more about that cannabis oil. MADem Jun 2014 #209
Well MADem, nilesobek Jun 2014 #210
PLEASE look at the documentary I provided. PLEASE. MADem Jun 2014 #211
And I had promised to stay away from Snowden threads, nilesobek Jun 2014 #212
I hope your son finds a solution in it. MADem Jun 2014 #213
Cannabis is a prescription medication for certain brain issues RainDog Jun 2014 #220
+1 nt MADem Jun 2014 #223
As the parent of an epileptic adult child.. grasswire Jun 2014 #217
Thank you for your kindness and understanding. nilesobek Jun 2014 #224
this is not true about the 30 year life span, there are exceptions JI7 Jun 2014 #208
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