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In reply to the discussion: Snowden (who really does, apparently, have epilepsy) helps an epileptic. [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)177. The person doing Snowden the favor WAS, in fact, doing Snowden a favor.
The article put him in an heroic light, with his epilepsy at the center.
And no one was shopping a canard:
ca·nard
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noun
1.
an unfounded rumor or story.
"the old canard that LA is a cultural wasteland"
2.
a small winglike projection attached to an aircraft forward of the main wing to provide extra stability or control, sometimes replacing the tail.
kəˈnär(d)/Submit
noun
1.
an unfounded rumor or story.
"the old canard that LA is a cultural wasteland"
2.
a small winglike projection attached to an aircraft forward of the main wing to provide extra stability or control, sometimes replacing the tail.
Snowden's epilepsy is not a "canard." It is a FACT. His mother's epilepsy is not a "canard." It is a FACT--she even has a service dog, named Ginger.
You do realize that the person who wrote the article in the OP is the WOMAN WHO WAS HELPED BY SNOWDEN?
Do you realize that Snowden's own experience with epilepsy was what enabled him to tell his counterpart at the remote location precisely how to help the woman?
It was a First Person Account from the woman who was helped, speaking of her experience with Snowden. Not a rumor. Not an innuendo. Not a Reaganesque "I'm not gonna pick on an invalid" remark (which didn't help one whit--MD had other issues, but that wasn't one of 'em).
This is a "Look at Snowden, what a good guy, he came to the rescue from thousands of miles away" story. Of course, no one has bothered to read it, apparently, so how would they know?
I found the story interesting because while I have seen stories that reference the epilepsy, this is the first I've seen of a story that puts Snowden in the room, talking about it. Every other time I've read about this condition, it's been through a reporter. It was never clear to me, at least to my satisfaction, that he even HAD epilepsy. I wondered if he just grabbed onto that diagnosis as an excuse to take unpaid leave because his mother had it and he figured he knew enough about it to get past any questions.
And why are you even hinting that there's something nefarious about epilepsy that is "exploitable" by "propagandists?" First, this is DU. Second, do you actually think this article is a secret? It's already bounced halfway round the world and been redistributed to a dozen or more outlets.
I am sure you don't mean to come across like you are saying "Don't talk about this topic, because someone might HEAR" but that is how you are coming across. And it's all irony laden, since Snowden is the one who wants every tidbit of information "out there," so why not this bit? After all, he's not some Nobody--he's a player in this exercise. He's fair game as much as any other public figure.
We're adults here and this is the 21st Century. Adults have been talking about mental health, brain injuries and illnesses, PTSD and TBIs with ever-increasing ease since Rosalynn Carter was First Lady. There's no need for any of that hushed "Think of the CHILDREN!" crap. This is DU. Progressives can talk about this topic in an adult fashion without having to look over our shoulders or speak in whispers. We can also talk about the effects of conditions in an adult fashion. If you have pancreatitis, you're not having the spicy meatballs. If you break a leg, you aren't running the 10K. If you have epilepsy, and Snowden does, and it might be inherited, his condition could very well impact his affect. Medical conditions can, as I've said elsewhere, result in changes--some good, some bad, some different. There's nothing wrong with discussing these changes either, and trying to guilt people into not discussing them is just wrong.
It is a MEDICAL condition, like Joe Biden's AVMs, like Ronald Reagan's dementia that he disguised by overplaying the hearing loss, like Richard Nixon's phlebitis that kept him off the stand, like Jack Kennedy's Addison's, like Tracy Morgan's broken legs/nose and internal injuries, like David Letterman's heart bypass--not a moral failing. REALLY. And there's nothing wrong with talking about it, even if one isn't Marcus Welby, MD. If we had to wait for subject matter experts for every topic, this would be a very bare board indeed.
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Snowden (who really does, apparently, have epilepsy) helps an epileptic. [View all]
MADem
Jun 2014
OP
I guess the take-away here is that no one that has epilepsy and has had a seizure can be trusted...
MADem
Jun 2014
#16
it is strange, i'm trying to figure out what the problem was or if i missed some other threads
JI7
Jun 2014
#58
Hyper religiosity and sexuality are pretty major changes, so your very post belies your thesis.
MADem
Jun 2014
#94
Wouldn't some of the multiple brain surgeries that some epileptics have also be a factor?
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#127
Any time you poke, prod, investigate, bump or insult the brain, there's potential
MADem
Jun 2014
#129
YES! I actually had a "in law" (cousin's bride) who had to go through with that.
MADem
Jun 2014
#135
No, YOUR attempt to tar others as saying something they did not is a "new low". Epilepsy MAY
KittyWampus
Jun 2014
#30
Really? Have you ever known anyone who suffers from epilepsy? I have, the worst kind, and she
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#35
What IS the 'body of knowledge' on the subject, and how does it have any effect on the disclosures
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#48
The thread is about a Whistle Blower. I see nothing in the OP that discusses the condition
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#79
Perhaps you should read more closely. I have asked repeatedly what this has to do with what
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#85
What does it have to do with the evidence of massive crimes committed against the American
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#96
I find it odd that anyone cares about Snowden's health issues unless they contradict the evidence he
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#49
I find it odd that you are so frantically trying to disrupt a thread about epilepsy.
MADem
Jun 2014
#67
The thread is about Snowden, is it not? If you want to post a thread about epilepsy
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#75
This thread is about Snowden's EPILEPSY and the fact that he helped a woman with EPILEPSY
MADem
Jun 2014
#113
'Ugly' to you, perhaps, but relevant to explaining why Snowden's personality changed.
randome
Jun 2014
#23
How does one get from 'I'm a Christian so I think marriage is for one man and one woman because
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2014
#37
That's an interesting point. A few work colleagues have commented about him, but in
MADem
Jun 2014
#74
Explain what relevance this has to the information of massive crimes against the American people
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#51
So this IS an attempt to smear Snowden. And there is NO evidence that the comments from the right
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#36
You think that this changes the evidence presented by Snowden about the violations of
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#72
The article is very favorable to Snowden. I'm not understanding the complaints about it.
MADem
Jun 2014
#119
You read a little generic speculation based on a news report, and turned it, in YOUR head,
MADem
Jun 2014
#20
So what is your point in posting the information, frankly I don't care what illness a whistle blower
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#38
You misunderstand, I don't care what illness a Whistle Blower may suffer from in relation to
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#47
So, if we "mention" that Snowden broke both his legs in Army boot camp, are we "smearing" him, too?
MADem
Jun 2014
#61
Gee, I'm just too riled up at the moment to actually read the rest of the thread..
nenagh
Jun 2014
#64
Yes--it's very interesting to learn who attaches feelings of shame or demands silence
MADem
Jun 2014
#181
Thanks for the details. I remember the propaganda part goes back to when Snowden was new.
Octafish
Jun 2014
#187
If you dig down into other posts in this thread, you will see where I am going with this.
MADem
Jun 2014
#198
Again, YOU are the one equating epilepsy to mental illness. As if mental illness is so horrifying.
KittyWampus
Jun 2014
#31
Can you explain what Snowden's health has to do with what Gore called 'worse law breaking than
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#40
Why are you asking me if you should start a thread that blatantly tells a falsehood
MADem
Jun 2014
#108
And yet...I never used the term "mental illness" but "neurological disorder".
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#192
I'm not supposed to mention that Snowden has epilepsy, or, apparently that he helped a woman with it
MADem
Jun 2014
#105
So because people support the person THEY VOTED FOR....that somehow means they are classless?
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#143
HERE now you have both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#162
Considerably more polite than the deliberate and crude personal insult you lobbed.
MADem
Jun 2014
#169
There are people on this website who are trying to twist this entire thread into something
MADem
Jun 2014
#195