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180. We all have paradigm shifts

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:04 AM

Jun 2014

When suddenly, we think differently.

I remember a story. A man was on the train and his kids were running all around irritating passengers, while their father ignored them. A woman next to him said, loudly, "Shouldn't you get those kids under control?"

He turned to her and said, "Yes, I will. I'm sorry, ma'am, they just lost their mother and they probably aren't dealing with it any better than I am."

That's a paradigm shift when you realize that what you assume about a person has nothing to do with what they are experiencing.

I think Edward Snowden had a paradigm shift and realized that he couldn't morally and ethically support what he was doing anymore.

If you DON'T have a paradigm shift of morality and ethics at some point in your life, you stay a child ethically and morally.

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Snowden (who really does, apparently, have epilepsy) helps an epileptic. [View all] MADem Jun 2014 OP

Quite a personality change, wasn't it? randome Jun 2014 #1

Yep-I HAVE heard of that happening. Same thing happens with strokes, too. MADem Jun 2014 #2

This is a new low for DU Aerows Jun 2014 #9

I guess the take-away here is that no one that has epilepsy and has had a seizure can be trusted... MADem Jun 2014 #16

I refuse to discuss this with you further Aerows Jun 2014 #17

Of COURSE you do--because you can't back up the crap you threw at me. MADem Jun 2014 #21

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #44

I don't get it either. MADem Jun 2014 #56

it is strange, i'm trying to figure out what the problem was or if i missed some other threads JI7 Jun 2014 #58

Maybe this thread needs a nipple or two or three to really get it going! randome Jun 2014 #60

Or a NSFT warning label--because, ya know, discussion of well-known MADem Jun 2014 #62

If this discussion were concerning Joe or Jane Average ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #66

I think you are quite right. nt MADem Jun 2014 #68

I'm discussing Joe or Jane Average RainDog Jun 2014 #77

Hyper religiosity and sexuality are pretty major changes, so your very post belies your thesis. MADem Jun 2014 #94

does Snowden have temporal lobe epilepsy? RainDog Jun 2014 #120

I have a young relative who endures seizures. MADem Jun 2014 #128

Wouldn't some of the multiple brain surgeries that some epileptics have also be a factor? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #127

Any time you poke, prod, investigate, bump or insult the brain, there's potential MADem Jun 2014 #129

right....that's what I thought too... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #133

YES! I actually had a "in law" (cousin's bride) who had to go through with that. MADem Jun 2014 #135

Point taken. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #107

Anything that touches St. Eddie treestar Jun 2014 #93

IAWS elias49 Jun 2014 #100

+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #168

No, YOUR attempt to tar others as saying something they did not is a "new low". Epilepsy MAY KittyWampus Jun 2014 #30

Really? Have you ever known anyone who suffers from epilepsy? I have, the worst kind, and she sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #35

So your experience with a single individual ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #46

What IS the 'body of knowledge' on the subject, and how does it have any effect on the disclosures sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #48

Correct me if I'm wrong; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #65

The thread is about a Whistle Blower. I see nothing in the OP that discusses the condition sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #79

Then, you clearly did not read the post you responded to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #84

Perhaps you should read more closely. I have asked repeatedly what this has to do with what sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #85

But your repeated asking is a non sequitor to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #86

What does it have to do with the evidence of massive crimes committed against the American sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #96

Exactly!!! 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #106

This thread is not about what Snowden disclosed. Try to follow along. MADem Jun 2014 #109

+1. Jumped in. Feet first. Attempted to hijack. Not a clue. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #88

Same old shit...different day. zappaman Jun 2014 #122

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #170

I didn't see that implicated until you made it... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #136

I just posted a link to an EPILEPSY WEBSITE. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #123

No one said that treestar Jun 2014 #91

omg, this again?? grasswire Jun 2014 #3

There is abundant evidence that epilepsy can lead to behavioral disorders. randome Jun 2014 #4

I know someone who underwent electroshock treatment, for the usual reasons, MADem Jun 2014 #6

I find it odd that anyone cares about Snowden's health issues unless they contradict the evidence he sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #49

I find it odd that you are so frantically trying to disrupt a thread about epilepsy. MADem Jun 2014 #67

The thread is about Snowden, is it not? If you want to post a thread about epilepsy sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #75

This thread is about Snowden's EPILEPSY and the fact that he helped a woman with EPILEPSY MADem Jun 2014 #113

I honestly cannot believe Aerows Jun 2014 #12

Hello? Focus, please. randome Jun 2014 #19

As I said to MADem Aerows Jun 2014 #22

'Ugly' to you, perhaps, but relevant to explaining why Snowden's personality changed. randome Jun 2014 #23

How does one get from 'I'm a Christian so I think marriage is for one man and one woman because Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #37

to say nothing of the possibility of "radicalization" grasswire Jun 2014 #41

All those people interacted with other people. randome Jun 2014 #59

oh noes grasswire Jun 2014 #69

Not at all. Just saying he was probably never radicalized by anyone. randome Jun 2014 #83

Hey!!! nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #189

Really. One's enough. randome Jun 2014 #191

This place couldn't handle more than one of me. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #194

That's an interesting point. A few work colleagues have commented about him, but in MADem Jun 2014 #74

"They saw truth, and they changed" doesn't require a community. deurbano Jun 2014 #161

agreed. grasswire Jun 2014 #166

We all have paradigm shifts Aerows Jun 2014 #180

Obama has been quoted as being for equality before he was against it. MADem Jun 2014 #52

Obama was playing politics, that was clear from the onset. randome Jun 2014 #53

The only thing "gleeful" here is your gleeful attempt to play gotcha. MADem Jun 2014 #76

Explain what relevance this has to the information of massive crimes against the American people sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #51

None. randome Jun 2014 #54

Good, glad that has been cleared up, thanks for YOUR time. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #81

Explain what relevance that has to do with the OP? MADem Jun 2014 #63

So this IS an attempt to smear Snowden. And there is NO evidence that the comments from the right sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #36

You disagree that epilepsy can change one's behavior? randome Jun 2014 #57

You think that this changes the evidence presented by Snowden about the violations of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #72

Might have had an impact on where he went to express his concerns. nt MADem Jun 2014 #145

His decision was an excellent one. Which only proves how rational he is. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #164

Coulda fooled me. He didn't sound all that thrilled talking to Brian Williams. MADem Jun 2014 #179

What "right wing website?" Ars Technica is a computer expert's website. MADem Jun 2014 #70

Taggespiegel is a classical liberal/libertarian publication grasswire Jun 2014 #114

The article is very favorable to Snowden. I'm not understanding the complaints about it. MADem Jun 2014 #119

Jury results Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #183

Who said anything about mental illness? Answer--YOU DID. And ONLY YOU. MADem Jun 2014 #5

Um no Aerows Jun 2014 #11

No I did not. You have serious reading comprehension issues. MADem Jun 2014 #13

Aerows read the thread and the little gleeful conversation Aerows Jun 2014 #15

You read a little generic speculation based on a news report, and turned it, in YOUR head, MADem Jun 2014 #20

So what is your point in posting the information, frankly I don't care what illness a whistle blower sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #38

If you DON'T CARE, why are you here telling me how much you don't care? MADem Jun 2014 #42

You misunderstand, I don't care what illness a Whistle Blower may suffer from in relation to sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #47

So, if we "mention" that Snowden broke both his legs in Army boot camp, are we "smearing" him, too? MADem Jun 2014 #61

If a person has epilepsy Aerows Jun 2014 #10

THANK YOU grasswire Jun 2014 #14

I feel sick as well... and very angry ... nenagh Jun 2014 #33

thank you grasswire Jun 2014 #34

I just didn't think to read anything like this on DU... nenagh Jun 2014 #50

I'm sorry you had to read it here, too Aerows Jun 2014 #55

Gee, I'm just too riled up at the moment to actually read the rest of the thread.. nenagh Jun 2014 #64

I have some HUGE tomatoes growing Aerows Jun 2014 #71

That's hilarious...cucumbers hiding under the leaves. nenagh Jun 2014 #82

I love English Lavender Aerows Jun 2014 #87

What's "wrong" with electroshock therapy? Why are you prejudiced against MADem Jun 2014 #73

Have you ever planted celery? Good stuff elias49 Jun 2014 #89

I am a pharmacist who worked for many years in a psychiatric hospital nenagh Jun 2014 #118

You are making false accusations, and you have the NERVE to talk about how MADem Jun 2014 #121

MADem, at least read the comment correctly before you blast me... nenagh Jun 2014 #126

YOU were the one who rather eagerly dragged "fear" into the room, not me. MADem Jun 2014 #134

Why are you going so aggressively Aerows Jun 2014 #138

"I am a doctor and I say Snowden's brain took a hit" WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #149

Perhaps the person to whom you are responding shouldn't MADem Jun 2014 #157

Just ugly Aerows Jun 2014 #172

Why are you getting so piqued about it? MADem Jun 2014 #154

On the contrary Aerows Jun 2014 #173

Yes--it's very interesting to learn who attaches feelings of shame or demands silence MADem Jun 2014 #181

Me too, truly despicable. I'm sorry you had to see this here on DU! sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #39

Propaganda 101 Octafish Jun 2014 #24

It's really sad Aerows Jun 2014 #25

Yup. Octafish Jun 2014 #28

Anyone and anything will be used woo me with science Jun 2014 #32

Definitely one of the more disgusting things I've seen on DU. nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #95

I know Aerows Jun 2014 #99

+1 The lowest sort of propaganda, woo me with science Jun 2014 #26

Secret agents. Secret agendas. Secret government. Secret beneficiaries. Octafish Jun 2014 #29

Thanks for kicking the thread with a nasty and nefarious assertion. MADem Jun 2014 #80

Nasty? Oh dear. Better log off NSFW!! elias49 Jun 2014 #90

Go pick on someone else. nt MADem Jun 2014 #110

Yes and I also read the post I replied to. Octafish Jun 2014 #116

The person doing Snowden the favor WAS, in fact, doing Snowden a favor. MADem Jun 2014 #177

Thanks for the details. I remember the propaganda part goes back to when Snowden was new. Octafish Jun 2014 #187

If you dig down into other posts in this thread, you will see where I am going with this. MADem Jun 2014 #198

thanks for the links, Octafish grasswire Jun 2014 #221

No, that's not where "they" went, but thanks for potstirring! nt MADem Jun 2014 #43

There you go, with that phony "claimed" assertion again. MADem Jun 2014 #78

No--that's where YOU and YOU ALONE went. Shame on YOU. MADem Jun 2014 #197

Again, YOU are the one equating epilepsy to mental illness. As if mental illness is so horrifying. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #31

Can you explain what Snowden's health has to do with what Gore called 'worse law breaking than sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #40

Thank you--this "sky is falling, oh the humanity" game is getting old. MADem Jun 2014 #45

Not 'salient' at all. elias49 Jun 2014 #92

Nonsense. It "diverts" from your prosecution of a theme, perhaps. MADem Jun 2014 #97

Nope. Sorry. Large FAIL on your part. elias49 Jun 2014 #98

Why are you asking me if you should start a thread that blatantly tells a falsehood MADem Jun 2014 #108

Yes, you should. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #184

Gotta say Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #140

Cue a Big Picture Theme Song!! MADem Jun 2014 #142

I see no mention of mental illness in the OP. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #111

context: a thread from May27 grasswire Jun 2014 #130

Context is truly everything Aerows Jun 2014 #131

It's my ignore list, lol. morningfog Jun 2014 #159

It isn't that mental illness is shameful, no not at all. grasswire Jun 2014 #153

And yet...I never used the term "mental illness" but "neurological disorder". msanthrope Jun 2014 #192

Precisely. MADem Jun 2014 #199

It must totally suck being in Russia, and unable to drink. msanthrope Jun 2014 #7

How horrifying! nt MADem Jun 2014 #8

A fate worse than death I tell ya! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #137

At least you had the decency Aerows Jun 2014 #18

Did you ever find out how you got there? greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #27

Yeah...and but for being sick at the end, it was a blast. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #188

LOL. If it was me, I'd certainly want to know. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #193

Ouch...1,000+ 'views', 4 recs! elias49 Jun 2014 #101

Are you OK? MADem Jun 2014 #103

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #104

Egods.. what is this? Grade school? Cha Jun 2014 #124

I don't see what everyone is outraged about ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #102

I'm not supposed to mention that Snowden has epilepsy, or, apparently that he helped a woman with it MADem Jun 2014 #105

Uhm, in regards to the subthread above, Jamastiene Jun 2014 #112

I don't understand it either, and I don't think there's anything "wrong" MADem Jun 2014 #115

All of the conditions you mentioned just now are treatable. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #125

Jeez--hemispherectomy...the first time I heard about that I said WTF? MADem Jun 2014 #141

proverbial turds in the punchbowl is all.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #139

Interesting read ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #117

Obama is a class act... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #132

So because people support the person THEY VOTED FOR....that somehow means they are classless? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #143

Take a few breaths and read it again, VR. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #147

I am not the "breathless" one here.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #150

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #155

I can't either Aerows Jun 2014 #146

I agree. But it's the same small crew over and over and over... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #148

NO....I think you have the "same small crew" on the wrong foot here! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #152

Of COURSE you can't!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #151

Use a few more exclamation points. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #156

HERE now you have both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #162

see my subthread where I posted part of a thread from May 27 grasswire Jun 2014 #165

It dehumanizes him Aerows Jun 2014 #176

Go back and read the entire thread ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #182

Stellar summation!!! nt MADem Jun 2014 #200

The fact that you would think NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #175

and ^^^ THIS!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #144

I've always believed that by their words we'll know them. MADem Jun 2014 #167

Attack the messenger by any means JEB Jun 2014 #158

Is your hand broken? MADem Jun 2014 #160

Sport, eh? JEB Jun 2014 #163

Considerably more polite than the deliberate and crude personal insult you lobbed. MADem Jun 2014 #169

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #171

hard to believe your post below was hidden... grasswire Jun 2014 #185

What an amazing thread... SidDithers Jun 2014 #174

I'm stunned at some of the less-than-progressive attitudes. MADem Jun 2014 #178

I hope that DUers Aerows Jun 2014 #186

I do,too because if they do, they will see EXACTLY what you are doing. MADem Jun 2014 #196

My little brother had epilespy as a toddler Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #190

There are people on this website who are trying to twist this entire thread into something MADem Jun 2014 #195

your fairly creepy deep obsession with Snowden aside... grasswire Jun 2014 #201

Look. Who's. Talking!!! MADem Jun 2014 #202

my flag grasswire Jun 2014 #203

You aren't flying that one here. MADem Jun 2014 #206

Bullshit. grasswire Jun 2014 #214

Getting a little irritated, are you? MADem Jun 2014 #218

"make a bad situation worse" grasswire Jun 2014 #219

Stop trying to pretend you're a "victim" now. MADem Jun 2014 #222

I don't see how Snowden's medical condition is salient Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #215

That's nice. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. nt MADem Jun 2014 #216

My youngest son, 27, is an epileptic nilesobek Jun 2014 #204

I beg your pardon? Your post is full of misstatements, to put it kindly. MADem Jun 2014 #205

Let me know if you feel the same way nilesobek Jun 2014 #207

You might want to contact Dr. Gupta's office, and find out more about that cannabis oil. MADem Jun 2014 #209

Well MADem, nilesobek Jun 2014 #210

PLEASE look at the documentary I provided. PLEASE. MADem Jun 2014 #211

And I had promised to stay away from Snowden threads, nilesobek Jun 2014 #212

I hope your son finds a solution in it. MADem Jun 2014 #213

Cannabis is a prescription medication for certain brain issues RainDog Jun 2014 #220

+1 nt MADem Jun 2014 #223

As the parent of an epileptic adult child.. grasswire Jun 2014 #217

Thank you for your kindness and understanding. nilesobek Jun 2014 #224

this is not true about the 30 year life span, there are exceptions JI7 Jun 2014 #208