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madfloridian

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Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:27 AM Jun 2014

Iraq changed who we are as a nation. A new moral tone was set. [View all]

We have never really gone back to what we were before. We humiliated Iraq's leader publicly, executed him openly, executed his sons and put their bodies on display....how does a country get back its old soul after that.

We became a country that openly invades another country based on lies, and we did it on TV. We called it Shock and Awe.

That day when the invasion started with all its shock and awe on TV to impress the world with how strong and tough we were, I just cried. There was nothing left to do but cry.

Even politicians who had grave doubts went along rather than buck popular opinion. George Bush used what he called plain talk. Tough talk. That kind of talk was comfortable to Americans after 9/11. One had nothing to do with the other, but that didn't matter.

I will never forget an article in the Guardian UK that absolutely had Bush analyzed perfectly. The reporter called him a Christian Cowboy.

It's a great read.

From Bush's perspective, the resistance of the international community to the war on Iraq is therefore to be expected - it's part of the script. So too, perhaps, is Bush's notorious inarticulacy. For the cowboy is essentially a man of action, not talk. "So self-contained is the later western hero that he seems to exist beyond the everyday commonplaces of talk and explanation, of persuasion, argument, indeed beyond conversation altogether," writes Princeton academic and western expert Lee Clark Mitchell.

The image of the lone gunfighter who is suspicious of fancy talk and who acts fearlessly to defeat the forces of evil is the defining mark of a certain sort of US national pride. Some have argued that this pattern exemplifies a sort of redeemer myth. The hero is saviour to the town - thus the cowboy's violence is justified. For in the absence of the rule of law, or in a town where the sheriff is seen as weak (here we see the part assigned to the UN), the cowboy must carry the responsibility for defeating evil.

Bush seems to believe that this cowboy justification for war is also a Christian rationale for war. It isn't. For the cowboy film represents the development of a distinctive ethical stance that is defined in the strongest possible contrast to that of Christianity. "The meek ain't goin' to inherit nothin' west of Chicago," said Conn Vallian in The Quick and the Dead. In this cowboy film, Christianity is depicted as weak and ineffectual, something commonly practised by women and wholly incapable of dealing with the challenges of the frontier. In High Noon Grace Kelly begs Gary Cooper not to take up his gun and face the Miller Gang, but he ignores her Quaker principles. In order to create a safer future for them both he must return to unfinished business and kill the enemy. For the cowboy any sort of Christian forgiveness is never an option. Redemption only comes through violence.


Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Journal Constitution had some now famous words to say about what it was really all about.

I can't find the original link now, but here are two pertinent paragraphs.

I believe this was 2002.

The official story on Iraq has never made sense. The connection that the Bush administration has tried to draw between Iraq and al-Qaida has always seemed contrived and artificial. In fact, it was hard to believe that smart people in the Bush administration would start a major war based on such flimsy evidence. The pieces just didn't fit. Something else had to be going on; something was missing. In recent days, those missing pieces have finally begun to fall into place. As it turns out, this is not really about Iraq. It is not about weapons of mass destruction, or terrorism, or Saddam, or U.N. resolutions.

This war, should it come, is intended to mark the official emergence of the United States as a full-fledged global empire, seizing sole responsibility and authority as planetary policeman. It would be the culmination of a plan 10 years or more in the making, carried out by those who believe the United States must seize the opportunity for global domination, even if it means becoming the "American imperialists" that our enemies always claimed we were.


Naomi Klein wrote in The Nation in 2003. Again I can't find the original link, but I kept notes to several articles about that time.

2003 Naomi Klein. Iraq will emerge to find "that their country has been sold out from under them"

Privatization in Disguise

Entirely absent from this debate are the Iraqi people, who might--who knows?--want to hold on to a few of their assets. Iraq will be owed massive reparations after the bombing stops, but without any real democratic process, what is being planned is not reparations, reconstruction or rehabilitation. It is robbery: mass theft disguised as charity; privatization without representation.

A people, starved and sickened by sanctions, then pulverized by war, is going to emerge from this trauma to find that their country has been sold out from under them. They will also discover that their newfound "freedom"--for which so many of their loved ones perished--comes pre-shackled with irreversible economic decisions that were made in boardrooms while the bombs were still falling.

They will then be told to vote for their new leaders, and welcomed to the wonderful world of democracy.


President Obama is unfortunately reaping what was sown by Cowboys Bush and Cheney and some Democrats who did not take a stand.



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Rather well put. n/t JayhawkSD Jun 2014 #1
Bremer "fired 500,000 state workers... soldiers, but also doctors, nurses, teachers, publishers.. madfloridian Jun 2014 #2
Scott Walker is following this script postulater Jun 2014 #16
And nobody is doing a damn thing about it other than the few brave on the ground randys1 Jun 2014 #26
You mean this Colin? GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #41
We were all witnesses to this travesty, this destruction of who we thought we were Hekate Jun 2014 #3
Obama is stuck with no good options because of Bush's evil war. madfloridian Jun 2014 #7
Mine too. I've never been able to feel the same about my own country... Hekate Jun 2014 #9
Maybe we should just cut to the chase and call America... nikto Jun 2014 #11
I never will. We're a country, a blended nation--not the purview of any one ethnic group or race Hekate Jun 2014 #13
Just for the phrase "Shock and Awe" they should all be in prison, motherphuckers randys1 Jun 2014 #27
Mad, you are so right I have always admired you and akbacchus_BC Jun 2014 #4
Everything we do as a nation affects other countries, not just us. madfloridian Jun 2014 #6
yes. that pretty much crushed the soul of this nation. bbgrunt Jun 2014 #5
It did. madfloridian Jun 2014 #33
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #8
Yes. he did. madfloridian Jun 2014 #46
Another wonderful post, full of truth nikto Jun 2014 #10
It did start in 2000, and of course the media went along. madfloridian Jun 2014 #45
And I could add... nikto Jun 2014 #47
I still remember his statement: madfloridian Jun 2014 #48
It's pretty unbelievable what the masses will buy into with the right salesman nikto Jun 2014 #53
There does not seem to be any way back to being what the USA once may have been or actually was. xocet Jun 2014 #12
Prosecution of war criminals.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #19
On that terrible day in 2003 that so-called "Shock and Awe" began, BlueMTexpat Jun 2014 #14
Subtract 11, 12 years from the ages of many here at the forum now... madfloridian Jun 2014 #20
We likely both remember that Bush & Cheney started talking about attacking Iraq BlueMTexpat Jun 2014 #22
How we got here has always been a state of shame. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #15
Thoughtful post. You are right. No good options. madfloridian Jun 2014 #21
An excellent post malaise Jun 2014 #17
Yes, the behavior of barbarians...well said. madfloridian Jun 2014 #29
As I wrote in another thread... Javaman Jun 2014 #18
I was reading the other day that a pipeline runs right under Babylon. madfloridian Jun 2014 #25
and let's not forget that for the first time our national policy was to torture our enemies. spanone Jun 2014 #23
Very true. madfloridian Jun 2014 #31
...and our media is STILL playing along. spanone Jun 2014 #32
Immoral. Amoral. woo me with science Jun 2014 #24
And craven politicians now say "mistakes were made" and "we were misled" to avoid responsibility. chrisa Jun 2014 #28
That statement angers me..when they say "mistakes" were made. madfloridian Jun 2014 #38
If nothing else be sure to read OP link to Christian Cowboy at Guardian UK. Very revealing madfloridian Jun 2014 #30
Christian Cowboy = Redemptive violence The Blue Flower Jun 2014 #34
That came from Jim Wallis? madfloridian Jun 2014 #35
My point wasn't about the person, it was about the use of violence The Blue Flower Jun 2014 #36
Oh, I knew what you were saying. madfloridian Jun 2014 #37
I'm mad and a Florida ex-pat The Blue Flower Jun 2014 #43
The pain is still fresh... Phentex Jun 2014 #39
It really is. madfloridian Jun 2014 #40
How could good Christian people support this war? dem in texas Jun 2014 #51
I heard our Southern Baptist church was calling it a holy war... madfloridian Jun 2014 #52
President Obama became complicit ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #42
Yes, Bush and Cheney at a minimum should have been called to account. madfloridian Jun 2014 #44
In defense of the Bush Admin Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #49
..... madfloridian Jun 2014 #50
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