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mattclearing

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7. Or enforce the well-regulated militia part.

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:58 AM

Jun 2014

Right now people seem to think that the Second Amendment applies to every insecure, paranoid, ignoramus who wants a gun for no reason in particular. I don't think that was the original intent.

Gun crime in Australia is rare by American standards. Last week they shut down four city blocks in Adelaide (which doesn't sound like a lot, but it's a big part of downtown Adelaide) for a standoff with a guy with a .22 rifle, wanted, in part, for violating the firearms ban. It went from 1 in the morning to noon the next day.

When I found out he just had a .22 rifle, I thought to myself that American police would have just stormed the building, hostages be damned, especially if the alternative was bringing rush hour to a standstill, which it did.

The guy was found dead, seemingly a suicide, but the hostages had been released. Sad story, but the kind you don't see too often here.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-05/rodney-clavell-found-dead-after-standoff-in-adelaide-cbd-brothel/5501504

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Why not here? Australia's Gun Ban Has Worked Big Time [View all] doxydad Jun 2014 OP

Australians don't have a Right to keep and bear arms. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #1

Or enforce the well-regulated militia part. mattclearing Jun 2014 #7

The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" Keefer Jun 2014 #28

Pretty sure most gun nuts fail this test. n/t mattclearing Jun 2014 #43

The 2A is not stopping strict gun regulation - time to drop that myth. hack89 Jun 2014 #14

That is not true. former9thward Jun 2014 #25

So that part would be unconstitutional hack89 Jun 2014 #40

Maybe not, but gun owners, NRA, etc., are. When are you guys gonna push for Hoyt Jun 2014 #27

Never hack89 Jun 2014 #41

Lucky Australians treestar Jun 2014 #36

There must be another way then repeal yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #51

Repealing the second amendment wouldn't make the right go away. X_Digger Jun 2014 #63

I think your link is FUBARed aikoaiko Jun 2014 #2

Fixed, TY! doxydad Jun 2014 #4

Gun bans are, in my mind, are violations of the 2nd amendment. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #3

perhaps not a violation if made within the context of 2A - you know, well-regulated militia and all DrDan Jun 2014 #5

yes, the militia administration can ban the use of arms in their militias, aikoaiko Jun 2014 #8

so our founding fathers, in their wisdom, thought we should arm folks like this DrDan Jun 2014 #16

Look like what exactly? What features are you attending to? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #18

then again, we could more intelligently form the militia, and provide/allow arms to those DrDan Jun 2014 #19

I doubt that was what they intended. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #21

I don't DrDan Jun 2014 #22

Yes, they did. former9thward Jun 2014 #26

when it comes to faith in a militia, I shall put my confidence in the "average colonialist" DrDan Jun 2014 #31

Whatever that means... former9thward Jun 2014 #33

I think you can figure it out - I have faith DrDan Jun 2014 #34

What is wrong with him? yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #54

never said that, did I? . . . but good try DrDan Jun 2014 #60

Start the conversation then... doxydad Jun 2014 #6

Improving the NICS list and making it available to private sellers would help a lot. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #9

I'll throw this out to anyone: Why isn't NICS open to all? Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #10

Yes, as if it's all metadata and nothing could go wrong HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #20

If I want to buy a shotgun from you, and agree voluntarily Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #23

There's also "delayed". VScott Jun 2014 #24

I understand, but the resulting hassle is no worse... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #38

exactly, everyone on the list can be assumed to be a criminal HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #35

I'm still mystified as to what the legal, privacy, or bureaucratic problem Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #39

We are writing past each other from different points of view HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #44

I think I see what you are saying. I suppose a private seller Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #45

My concern isn't trivial bandying about of information but rather HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #48

By now, I'm sure the NSA has algorithms in place... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #49

then let's amend the amendment spanone Jun 2014 #12

Depends on the proposed revision. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #13

Yes. Maybe we could add the words "well regulated". Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #30

The 2A is not stopping the strict regulation of guns hack89 Jun 2014 #42

I wish. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #11

Besides absolutely no public support for them? nt hack89 Jun 2014 #15

Americans don't want it. What's so hard to understand about that? LittleBlue Jun 2014 #17

Are they crazy? After all those massacres, why wouldn't Americans want gun laws like ours? Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #29

It's sentimentality and not logic LittleBlue Jun 2014 #37

LittleBlue has it. Supporters have romantic visions of themselves as a hero with a gun stopping stevenleser Jun 2014 #58

They just don't love freedumb the way we do. n/t Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #32

Australia is not America. dilby Jun 2014 #46

I don't give two shits for the constitution.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #47

"take whatever measures:" Hence, guns. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #50

You can use the writers of the Patriot Act as your advisors hack89 Jun 2014 #52

They lied.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #61

The 2A is not stopping strict gun control hack89 Jun 2014 #65

Well lets just ditch every law or inititiave after the original writer dies. dilby Jun 2014 #53

Yes. Exactly. Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #62

Do you think what present voters think? hack89 Jun 2014 #55

Wow! yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #56

Well yes, but Australians Turbineguy Jun 2014 #57

If you want to avoid the 2nd, don't restrict guns, but license people who should have guns... Sancho Jun 2014 #59

mostly because our representatives are as a group a bunch of Doctor_J Jun 2014 #64