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Divernan

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74. I've lived in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee, LA, Sacramento & Florida

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:41 AM

Jun 2014

In the course of growing up & post college years/jobs, before settling in beautiful southwestern Pennsylvania (although the beauty is in danger from fracking). So I have no illusions/fantasies as so many have about California or Florida. Based on living in (and loathing) Florida, and my scuba diving adventures, I always tell people if they want a lovely tropical experience, vacation wise, skip Florida completely and hop on over to the Bahamas or the Virgin Islands. I have cousins from Seattle (a city I love) who are happily living what sounds to be a very full life as expats in San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, Mexico. To each his own, but some of us are better equipped through having moved around, to make well-informed choices. No place is perfect of course - we each have to balance what's most important to our quality of life.

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Elizabeth Warren, Not Hillary Clinton, Should Be the Next President of the United States [View all] monmouth3 Jun 2014 OP

K&R.. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #1

I agree. But, I would definitely vote for Clinton if she becomes the nominee. nt ladjf Jun 2014 #2

+1 Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #6

I hope Warren runs, I'm not anxious to vote again while holding my nose. NorthCarolina Jun 2014 #15

This is more a function of the lack of ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #55

People need to completly read this artical to understand... Rockyj Jun 2014 #218

She Just Lost My Vote billhicks76 Jun 2014 #226

I'd like her to run mimi85 Jun 2014 #219

Depends. What is her stance on Iraq... Now? grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #92

That's a good point. I voted for Obama over Clinton because ladjf Jun 2014 #96

Hillary voted for Iraq and continued to vote to fund while in the Senate. That is why I did not sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #121

And years later, continued denying that she had anything to apologize for. closeupready Jun 2014 #150

Yes. I frankly have no idea how anyone who supported this horrific crime can sleep at night. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #237

clinton lied in her position on iraq. tomp Jun 2014 #234

I'd go with the former. Hillary is highly intelligent, no doubt. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #252

Precisely. Send Bush and "His Brain" Rove over there - they broke it, let them fix it. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #251

Hillary's waiting to see which way the wind is blowing before expousing the Third Way position. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #168

She is Third Way tavalon Jun 2014 #178

Warren had it easy during her Senatorial race? Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #201

Her opponent handed it to her in the end, but no, I didn't mean it that way at all tavalon Jun 2014 #257

To be honest, after Hillary's shaky rollout this week, she's the one who needs seasoning. Elizabeth's the one who could teach her a thing or two. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #205

It's not Warren after Hillary. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #215

Clinton isn't a lock and Warren say she isn't running wyldwolf Jun 2014 #3

Warren has NEVER said that she's not running in 2016. n/t Dawgs Jun 2014 #5

Warren Has My Vote billhicks76 Jun 2014 #16

"I'm not running for president and I plan to serve out my term" wyldwolf Jun 2014 #34

"I plan to serve out my term" pscot Jun 2014 #53

Not a pledge? Oh, I left off part of the quote wyldwolf Jun 2014 #56

Hillary isn't running for president either pscot Jun 2014 #60

correct wyldwolf Jun 2014 #65

She WOULD pledge? So, apparently, she hasn't pledged YET. Some wiggle room there. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #169

LOL. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #179

Have you read Elizabeth Warren's book? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #217

I have it but haven't begun reading it. Perhaps you can quote the relevant pages. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #231

Writing a book is a good indicator that she's thinking about it... Hippo_Tron Jun 2014 #248

The "I'm not running for president" part seems clear enough. -eom gcomeau Jun 2014 #58

if that's not a pledge I don't know what is. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #98

We are headed into a debate on the meaning of "is." Orsino Jun 2014 #258

You have a point. It's probably a little of both. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #260

Nevertheless, the country NEEDS her. Or a Warren clone. closeupready Jun 2014 #139

Now there's an understatement. I think Elizabeth would be responsive to a draft movement demanding that she run. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #170

Quite possibly but it doesn't matter on a fundamental level. Build the movement and someone will TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #241

The country needs her in congress shaayecanaan Jun 2014 #222

Warren tends to be a woman of her word and she doesn't tend to use weasily words tavalon Jun 2014 #181

Why is it so very important to continue to say over and over and over that Sen Warren isnt running? rhett o rick Jun 2014 #185

Apparently "we all" DON'T know what she said. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #188

Actually, I saw a link someone provided where she did Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #61

She's still a politician, and with politicians NOTHING is set in stone. Dawgs Jun 2014 #114

Of course. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #116

If that's the best you've got, Clinton can start measuring the White House for drapes Fred Friendlier Jun 2014 #112

We'll see. Dawgs Jun 2014 #113

You'd think the election was next week CountAllVotes Jun 2014 #9

Can we get past the 2014 midterms Gothmog Jun 2014 #157

If Wendy Davis wins... Cheviteau Jun 2014 #165

There are a number of people working like crazy so that you can do so Gothmog Jun 2014 #194

Welcome to DU, Cheviteau! calimary Jun 2014 #211

Spot on and thank you! n/t truedelphi Jun 2014 #163

saying you are not running (now) does not preclude magical thyme Jun 2014 #14

"I'm not running for president and I plan to serve out my term" wyldwolf Jun 2014 #38

"I am not running for president. I am not running for president in four years... corkhead Jun 2014 #73

what's your point? wyldwolf Jun 2014 #78

No need to get defensive. I am agreeing with you and further adding by example corkhead Jun 2014 #79

I'm not being defensive. Sorry If I appeared to be wyldwolf Jun 2014 #85

My sentiments exactly. On a gut level.... I am just not feeling that zonkers Jun 2014 #224

I will certainly vote for CLINTON if she is the nominee, but the big lesson of Bill CLINTON was: UTUSN Jun 2014 #4

Clinton was a target for behavior that other Presidents had always gotten away with. pnwmom Jun 2014 #20

Other presidents did not publicly humiliate their wives on an international scale. Divernan Jun 2014 #99

The media covered up for other Presidents so that the wives weren't humiliated. pnwmom Jun 2014 #100

That was my point! Divernan Jun 2014 #106

Yeh, it was the Big Lie stretched over a very long time. Whisp Jun 2014 #164

don't kid yourself. Whitewater was a republlican invention blown into a sex scandal bigtree Jun 2014 #24

All of us Dems have plenty of experience in defending, to the point of fatigue UTUSN Jun 2014 #124

I'm sorry, the only difference I see is that there's little appetite for that anymore bigtree Jun 2014 #130

I'm seeing 2conflicting points: 1) no appetite, no bipartisan support. & 2)They don't need a reason UTUSN Jun 2014 #176

it was a bogus reason and the public and legislators let them know that bigtree Jun 2014 #189

This will get some chonies in a bunch. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #7

And Hillary CAN SO do "poignant." (channeling Bob Boudelang) Divernan Jun 2014 #57

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #8

I would say the person whom earns the most votes deserves to be the next President. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #10

I totally agree! DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #11

Let me clarify that if HRC gets the nom then she gets my vote. Cruz or whomever they put up is a no monmouth3 Jun 2014 #12

Corporate Democrats and Republicans are ushering in fascism. woo me with science Jun 2014 #13

+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Jun 2014 #47

I could not agree more. zeemike Jun 2014 #63

You are not a true Democrat unless you are for ALL Democrats corkhead Jun 2014 #82

I couldn't agree more! Raksha Jun 2014 #144

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2014 #146

the more a party is destroyed and emptied of actual policy, the MORE they "wave the bloody MisterP Jun 2014 #148

right on the money! Howler Jun 2014 #166

Should and could aren't the same thing. pnwmom Jun 2014 #17

It's being built for her. It's called grass-roots populism, Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #27

Please share with us... brooklynite Jun 2014 #117

Exactly! n/t Raksha Jun 2014 #182

Uncle Joe Biden should be the next President of the United States lululu Jun 2014 #18

Would that be the same Joe Biden Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #22

We are not stupid. We know Biden's record already. Of course he is not perfect as no politician is. totodeinhere Jun 2014 #103

Biden ushered in the new Bankruptcy Bill. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #119

Ultimately, that is the primary reason I can't support him. closeupready Jun 2014 #141

I think it's ludicrous to suggest that Biden is a Democrat in name only. totodeinhere Jun 2014 #160

K&R.. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #23

The Senator from WalMart. bvar22 Jun 2014 #140

Yes. Definetly to me Hillary is nothing more than DINO. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #143

You would win the bet. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #147

I seem to recall Biden also voted for the IWR. Metric System Jun 2014 #26

As did Clinton of course. But in a way that charge in unfair since we don't know totodeinhere Jun 2014 #105

Biden championed the Bankruptcy bill tha so pissed Warren off MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #29

if scumbaggery is the qualification reddread Jun 2014 #94

I'm waiting to see if Warren can get others to follow her in the Senate aikoaiko Jun 2014 #19

She got unanimous Democratic support Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #66

Yes, I look forward to seeing if she can get it done. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #89

well, yeah bigtree Jun 2014 #21

I think she has spoken out on the critical fundamental issues that many Dems avoid... cascadiance Jun 2014 #107

well, she has the economics down bigtree Jun 2014 #118

Economics is the linchpin and fundamentals of politics and by function cannot be a small TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #239

She understood the financial crisis better than just about all pols before Obama was elected... cascadiance Jun 2014 #262

I wouldn't call this supporting Hillary Mnpaul Jun 2014 #212

Except for those pesky voters that get in the way MyNameGoesHere Jun 2014 #25

What? libodem Jun 2014 #67

Sanders-Warren or Warren-Sanders Omaha Steve Jun 2014 #28

Damn Right! PeoViejo Jun 2014 #37

That would give me hope for my country again. nt woo me with science Jun 2014 #41

+10000 MissDeeds Jun 2014 #54

Ether way would please the hell out of me. zeemike Jun 2014 #69

I really like the Sanders- part Shemp Howard Jun 2014 #84

As much as I love my Senator, and my Senator to the North Fred Friendlier Jun 2014 #125

Ab. So. Fucking. Lute. Ly. closeupready Jun 2014 #142

An all northeastern ticket. aquart Jun 2014 #198

surely, the dem party can do better than run h. clinton for prez KG Jun 2014 #30

the party doesn't vote, individuals vote, individuals run for office bigtree Jun 2014 #43

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Jun 2014 #31

Unfortunately, the majority of Americans are not educated enough to elect her. EEO Jun 2014 #32

Not without executive experience and proficiency on foreign policy question everything Jun 2014 #33

HUH? moonbeam23 Jun 2014 #48

No I think her gender is a plus. zeemike Jun 2014 #72

I don't think that her biggest hurdle is her gender. After all Clinton is also a women and that totodeinhere Jun 2014 #108

Yes, but what is his legacy? question everything Jun 2014 #167

It will never happen again. joshcryer Jun 2014 #204

Warren before Hillary... Javaman Jun 2014 #35

Warren has to run first smallcat88 Jun 2014 #36

Do the math moonbeam23 Jun 2014 #52

We've had plenty of old white men smallcat88 Jun 2014 #59

At age 75? After the US experience w/Reagan's senility/Alzheimers? Divernan Jun 2014 #101

That's what Nader said in 2000 and that worked out so well. pnwmom Jun 2014 #102

If all anyone ever thinks about is Hillary Hillary Hillary SheilaT Jun 2014 #39

Well stated! See my link below re Warren already outpolls Clinton. Divernan Jun 2014 #51

I am sometimes mean enough SheilaT Jun 2014 #62

I've lived in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee, LA, Sacramento & Florida Divernan Jun 2014 #74

What's a 'retirement'? daleanime Jun 2014 #68

Good point. I'm a senior, senior citizen. Divernan Jun 2014 #75

I endlessly agree witg thus Op. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #40

From link-WARREN POLLS AHEAD OF HRC & any potential GOP rival Divernan Jun 2014 #42

But that poll is not a presidential poll. Get back to us when there is a poll totodeinhere Jun 2014 #110

& you get back to us after HRC declares! Divernan Jun 2014 #122

Well Warren hasn't declared either but that doesn't stop people from pushing her. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #156

She will blow any corporatist away. woo me with science Jun 2014 #255

k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #44

Well Elizabeth Warren has said workinclasszero Jun 2014 #45

She's speaking in the present tense. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #71

She has my support jopacaco Jun 2014 #46

Kick for EW. Scuba Jun 2014 #49

So if Sen. Warren is for real AHEAD mylye2222 Jun 2014 #50

Works for me... KansDem Jun 2014 #64

If it's Hillary vs Elizabeth Warren in the primaries, I will vote for Hillary. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #70

Why I Don't Want Warren hollowdweller Jun 2014 #76

Populist Message? raindaddy Jun 2014 #91

HRC is a LOSS..period. BrainDrain Jun 2014 #77

she would nt had mine if i could vote either mylye2222 Jun 2014 #81

"Remember who first that nonsense Obama is Muslim thing...." Who? wyldwolf Jun 2014 #87

I'd support Warren. HRC is too busy... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #80

Dropped in and saw this. K&R. mmonk Jun 2014 #83

No Glaisne Jun 2014 #86

Yeah, sure, whatever......... Beacool Jun 2014 #88

2016 will be difficult, but I still think we will win. StevieM Jun 2014 #131

Your first sentence says it all, even without the name Huckabee in it (i doubt he runs) 7962 Jun 2014 #207

When your best options are Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, Scott Walker and Chris Christie StevieM Jun 2014 #208

Lean Left! Gamecock Lefty Jun 2014 #90

What position is Hillary currently holding to be in a pisition of announcing where she is on any Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #93

Yes. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #95

While I like Warren's economic platform ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #97

I was thinking the same thing myself. Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #183

yes yes yes... mike_c Jun 2014 #104

Too bad Elizabeth Warren disagrees with you... brooklynite Jun 2014 #109

Maybe is she afraid by the Clinton team and all the dirty tricks they are able mylye2222 Jun 2014 #111

I can't decide if you're just too ignorant to know better bigtree Jun 2014 #123

So Elizabeth Warren ISN'T a fearless new fighting force for progressive ideals? brooklynite Jun 2014 #126

its rather a mattee of caving than of self pr�servation. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #133

I've never criticized anyone for -not- supporting Clinton... brooklynite Jun 2014 #153

And the reasons why Utopian Leftist Jun 2014 #135

"Why, on a progressive board such as this, is it even a contest" brooklynite Jun 2014 #151

Warren is very shrewd, watch her, you will see. Utopian Leftist Jun 2014 #190

You're welcome to dream about a Warren candidacy... brooklynite Jun 2014 #192

Our only hope is that this means that HC has privately confided in EW that she's going rogue. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #238

If we keep voting for Wall Street puppets, Democrats will continue to nominate Wall Street puppets. fbc Jun 2014 #115

K&R. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #120

Since Warren will not be running by her own accord and IF Hillary becomes the nominee... liberal N proud Jun 2014 #127

Third left parties. like Greens or Sanders party. ... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #136

And you WILL get a republican/teabagger President liberal N proud Jun 2014 #161

NOminate Hillary, Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #171

America has a lot of problems Utopian Leftist Jun 2014 #128

you have to run to be elected awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #129

Perhaps. But she's not running. KamaAina Jun 2014 #132

Agree. DrBulldog Jun 2014 #134

COMPLETELY agree. closeupready Jun 2014 #137

I'm all in if she runs cpamomfromtexas Jun 2014 #138

The nice thing about being a Democrat is that all of our potential nominees are better than ANYTHING pampango Jun 2014 #145

Really? Are Clinton and Romney really that far apart? I don't think so. fbc Jun 2014 #149

It sounds like Romney wants to run again. You may get (another?) chance to vote for him. pampango Jun 2014 #154

i presume she is a person of her word MFM008 Jun 2014 #152

Nooooo Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #206

What a "job"... Always under attack from all sides 24/7, 364.25/4 or 8... Amonester Jun 2014 #155

Yes, and in their dream world the person who has almost null experience in politics Beacool Jun 2014 #174

K & R AzDar Jun 2014 #158

I'll probably vote for Hillary Android3.14 Jun 2014 #159

Unicorns for YOU, and YOU, and YOU! UNICORNS FOR EVERYBODY!!!! Metric System Jun 2014 #162

I wish she would run too LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #172

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Jun 2014 #173

I Agree 100% supercats Jun 2014 #175

Well, yeah, but it's not going to happen tavalon Jun 2014 #177

She has a lot more flexibility in the senate loyalsister Jun 2014 #180

Rep. Barbara Lee is my first choice Dems to Win Jun 2014 #184

I see no path to a nationwide victory in a general election for Elizabeth Warren. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #186

Let's be practical. We need a tough President and Elizabeth Warren is too new and untested. TiredOfNo Jun 2014 #187

Warren needs to be on the economic team of the White House where she'll be better able to do stuff SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2014 #191

I'd rather have Warren than Clinton bigwillq Jun 2014 #193

Firmly agree Pharaoh Jun 2014 #195

She's trying to reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act that Clinton eliminated. ozone_man Jun 2014 #196

I'll vote HRC for the sake of the SCOTUS MirrorAshes Jun 2014 #197

Pres. Hillary R Clinton 2016! c588415 Jun 2014 #199

I agree. I do not trust Clinton to be anything but a puppet of the 1% & corporations emsimon33 Jun 2014 #200

I'm skeptical, she was a Republican during the Reagan era, and many of her boosters seem to also Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #202

Why aren't Warren supporters demanding answers to these questions? Metric System Jun 2014 #210

Warren has answered them Mnpaul Jun 2014 #213

I'm specifically referring to social issues, not financial issues. Metric System Jun 2014 #228

Bogus non responsive 'answers' like that make my case, not yours. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #232

Maybe you could point out Mnpaul Jun 2014 #235

John Kerry in his first year in the senate introduced a bill banning discrimination JI7 Jun 2014 #249

I've thought about all that too, and it's the main reason I support a Sanders/Warren ticket Raksha Jun 2014 #221

That was also 30 years ago. So much time. chrisa Jun 2014 #242

Too early for me to say Babel_17 Jun 2014 #203

I like Warren but her lack of executive experience leaves her short ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #209

shes not running MFM008 Jun 2014 #214

She is on top of my list defacto7 Jun 2014 #216

Absolutely. But I will vote vote for Hillary if she gets the nod. There's not one GOP candidate I... marble falls Jun 2014 #220

She Lost My Vote Ray McGovern billhicks76 Jun 2014 #227

I agree, Hillary voted with W more often than some Republicans. That said, Romney vs Hillary? .... marble falls Jun 2014 #233

If We Nominate Her billhicks76 Jun 2014 #243

Ray McGovern was not thrown out of the room by Hillary's people. Beacool Jun 2014 #236

She Didn't Stop Her Speech billhicks76 Jun 2014 #244

Yep. A true populist. southerncrone Jun 2014 #223

Clinton/Cuomo 2016 blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #225

Can't...Constitution says Pres and VP have to be from different States. brooklynite Jun 2014 #247

I would vote for either. riversedge Jun 2014 #229

IMO unless we can arrange a major shakeup in who controls congress it wont matter who cstanleytech Jun 2014 #230

Agreed and k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #240

K&R 99Forever Jun 2014 #245

Dennis Kucinich, and neither of them, should be the next president of the United States. flvegan Jun 2014 #246

I dont think Warren can muster a majority. fireflysky46 Jun 2014 #250

Warren/Feingold Vattel Jun 2014 #253

kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #254

I want to see a Warren / Sanders or Sanders / Warren ticket. Initech Jun 2014 #256

I think it depends on who runs and wins the primary justiceischeap Jun 2014 #259

Hillary Dickory Dock! Unca Adverse Jun 2014 #261