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93. Might be impossible for our country to make right a tragic

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:00 PM

Jun 2014

decision made by, maybe, half a dozen twisted men/women in power at the time.

Powell said '...we break it, we own it.' True, morally. But we aren't operating from a moral position in the world. Not only is it hard to know how to help the people of Iraq the most here, even if we knew what to do we probably couldn't politically get it done. Maybe once you've broken a country in that part of the world (starting a long time ago, accelerated in 2003) there is no restoration in the short term....especially by the people who did the breaking -- those who understand the least and who are among the least qualified in the world to say they can act in the best interests of their own citizenry, let alone people in other countries.

We screwed up. We owe Iraq a debt we don't understand, don't know how to pay off, probably can't fix.

We are linked to Iraq for a long long time, and not in a good way. In a way that will/should regularly remind us of our greed, impotence, stupidity, arrogance, and disastrous ability to elect sociopathic leaders.

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Watching Iraq disintegrate makes me want to break things. [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2014 OP

I hear ya, Will. roamer65 Jun 2014 #1

WAR... billhicks76 Jun 2014 #30

Nah, we're not going in brush Jun 2014 #50

Spot on except for one thing..(maybe) Volaris Jun 2014 #55

Good point brush Jun 2014 #63

What makes you think Obama's not beholden to the same interests that owned W? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #86

No disagreement here brush Jun 2014 #113

I believe you are so correct tavalon Jun 2014 #123

What is the difference on the receiving end of bombs or bullets? bvar22 Jun 2014 #95

Agree with the outcome - slaughtered by bombs or bullets erronis Jun 2014 #104

You're right about that brush Jun 2014 #110

You really need to read about the things the British empire did mythology Jun 2014 #121

It's certainly debatable . . . brush Jun 2014 #124

Some things are so painfully obvious. truebluegreen Jun 2014 #2

Bingo Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #33

The ISIS is coming over from Syria, and heading toward Baghdad. truebluegreen Jun 2014 #78

And consider this: truedelphi Jun 2014 #108

Um, interesting. truebluegreen Jun 2014 #117

What wee the motives of the death squads in Central America that operated truedelphi Jun 2014 #138

And given that we went into Iraq in order to secure their oil truebluegreen Jun 2014 #142

CIA is one rogue outfit. truedelphi Jun 2014 #153

I'm not a fan of the MIC or the CIA truebluegreen Jun 2014 #154

The article I cite was written bythe same person who truedelphi Jun 2014 #155

OK. truebluegreen Jun 2014 #156

Me too. There may be a hidden agenda. And ballyhoo Jun 2014 #84

Just one correction...apache attack copters not f16's... Otherwise...i'm screaming at the tv. Drew Richards Jun 2014 #3

"As Iraq Falls Apart, U.S. F-16 Deliveries Still Set to Begin" WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #13

Trust me people with boots on the ground want air cav support. The gov will request it tomorrow Drew Richards Jun 2014 #14

I doubt they have pilots for either though so what good are f16 or chopper. Drew Richards Jun 2014 #16

Sunni Iraqi pilots with training (at our expense of course) will join the militants bklyncowgirl Jun 2014 #66

You got it-- ballyhoo Jun 2014 #85

same civil war bigtree Jun 2014 #4

Of Course That Could Include The Roux Comes First Jun 2014 #6

The thing that makes me angry is jimlup Jun 2014 #5

And he is about to eat that bag of shit with a spoon. morningfog Jun 2014 #8

Nah, he's smarter than W was . . . brush Jun 2014 #64

Smarter, yes. FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #92

Pls see my reply above to post #95. nt brush Jun 2014 #114

I'm afraid that one is invisible to me. FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #116

I'll try posting the reply mentioned brush Jun 2014 #118

Thanks. FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #120

Damn right he was. RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #23

He was handed war crimes including Whistle Blowers who revealed more of them. He chose to move sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #46

+1 LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #99

Sometimes you have to make sacrifices, and not being elected for a second term in the WH isn't sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #111

I suspect that, in retrospect, not trying, or at least, trying to charge those war criminals maddiemom Jun 2014 #145

Yes, history probably will record it as a huge mistake. The decision certainly got nothing for him sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #151

+1000 blackspade Jun 2014 #102

Wars without end. morningfog Jun 2014 #7

But, But, But, Politicalboi Jun 2014 #9

The MIC is drooling at the thought of more war. neverforget Jun 2014 #10

I certainly agree, Will. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2014 #11

I was at protests EVERY DAMN WEEKEND! RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #29

Thanks! And I'm a fan of General Butler, too. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2014 #34

You wanna talk cold? RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #36

Oh! I remember Maurice Hinchey! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2014 #39

Yeah, I am stuck with Gibson now RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #62

Hey Rocco, I'm from Rosendale tomg Jun 2014 #112

I used to live in Accord. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2014 #134

I remember Maurice Hinchey too, he is a great Democrat. I was reading DU one day when I sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #51

if mass media gave our protests of thousands the credence they give to a dozen tea party doofs 0rganism Jun 2014 #89

I don't think we'll do much of anything LittleBlue Jun 2014 #12

When the people do not want a return to war, the actions become covert: truedelphi Jun 2014 #107

Guess what? It's been long enough nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #15

Thank you. vlakitti Jun 2014 #20

Don't worry, things are breaking themselves mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #17

F/ck a million dead persons, there's LOTS OF PROFIT in war. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #18

The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Jun 2014 #19

Same as it ever was... countryjake Jun 2014 #24

I went to every protest w/in 50 miles...... alittlelark Jun 2014 #21

Here's a little thing that I sent to Mike Malloy tonight RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #22

If THEY Break it... WE Own It... Sorry, Not Funny... But I Feel The Same As You... WillyT Jun 2014 #25

Being right laundry_queen Jun 2014 #26

death has always been good business mopinko Jun 2014 #27

We should not do air strikes. New reports outside USA say Mosul is quiet. Civilians preferring kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #28

A war based on LIES, as WE all knew back in 2002. madinmaryland Jun 2014 #31

This is heartbreaking. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #32

fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck CrispyQ Jun 2014 #35

I keep thinking about the Iraqi people Skittles Jun 2014 #37

You got that right Adsos Letter Jun 2014 #44

I'm with ya, Will. Makes me furious and sad... countryjake Jun 2014 #38

No, definitely not alone The Blue Flower Jun 2014 #40

'36 million people across the globe took part in almost 3,000 protests against the Iraq war' G_j Jun 2014 #41

This is having a bad affect on the Iraqi/Afghani Vets suffering from PTSD GoldenOldie Jun 2014 #42

We should do nothing. Let the Iranians support their puppets against the sunnis there. We've paid craigmatic Jun 2014 #43

Just realize we are backing the Saudis who are very unpopular with thinking people and all is clear. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #45

And we're going to hear continuous screaming that it's all Obama's fault. Kablooie Jun 2014 #47

I am so sick of our country getting involved with so much war. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #48

tax cuts enid602 Jun 2014 #49

KnR, Will. I marched every weekend, too. Hekate Jun 2014 #52

Were we right, you ask? another_liberal Jun 2014 #53

I, too, at first read that sentence bbgrunt Jun 2014 #58

Glad I was reading it wrong . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #61

Hi. WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #68

Greetings, Will. another_liberal Jun 2014 #146

The honor is mine. WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #147

This past week marks 9 years since my cousin was killed in Iraq. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #54

... --- ... WillyT Jun 2014 #56

Thank you very much. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #57

incidentally joe biden was right belltower Jun 2014 #59

he certainly was reddread Jun 2014 #129

We are in a car going 90 miles per hour, driven by sociopaths. woo me with science Jun 2014 #60

You are of the false belief that we are still in the car. Javaman Jun 2014 #72

We are in the trunk Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #76

that's a better anology... Javaman Jun 2014 #77

Like being a kidnapping victim. Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #82

I really dont have any words. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #65

I'm past breaking things Separation Jun 2014 #67

once upon a time... Javaman Jun 2014 #69

Jesus. WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #75

"Gulf war 4, give some more!" Enthusiast Jun 2014 #96

It will happen over and over and over workinclasszero Jun 2014 #70

Self-perpetuating. Orsino Jun 2014 #71

The worst is John McCain trying to say he knew all along. EEO Jun 2014 #73

McCain better STFU before someone with guts and brains puts him right Boomerproud Jun 2014 #143

K&R. It's horrible. DanTex Jun 2014 #74

Get Fired UP yellowwoodII Jun 2014 #79

And this time Stryst Jun 2014 #149

A idea, possibility, or....something. Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #80

We really were right Oilwellian Jun 2014 #81

I can't even look at it. Knew this would eventually happen from the day they lied us into that shit lonestarnot Jun 2014 #83

I wish we had access to those 2002-3 DU threads rocktivity Jun 2014 #87

i remember saying this exact thing would happen back in 2002 0rganism Jun 2014 #88

Profit over anything N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2014 #90

I'm wondering right now...how many times will I need to post this video before I die. Zorra Jun 2014 #91

Might be impossible for our country to make right a tragic wiggs Jun 2014 #93

Don't be angry. Our wars are always worthwhile. Rich people get richer, after all. nt valerief Jun 2014 #94

self deleted lark Jun 2014 #97

It's the same religious, ethnic, tribal wars that have been going on for a thousand years. Fla Dem Jun 2014 #98

Looks like it's BOHICA time, boys and girls. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2014 #100

This is a heartbreaking thread. liberalmuse Jun 2014 #101

I know what you mean LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #103

And business is good... NC_Nurse Jun 2014 #105

I wish we could vote out everyone who voted for this war. ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #106

The video of Cheney as SoS under Bush I defending not deposing Hussein was eye-opening for me. Vattel Jun 2014 #109

An unstable region... TommyCelt Jun 2014 #115

mission fucking accomplished onethatcares Jun 2014 #119

I said before, it would decades to repair all of that goddamn Bush's damage. santamargarita Jun 2014 #122

There is an easy way for Mr. Obama to avoid going to war and shut the Republicans up as well. TiredOfNo Jun 2014 #125

This Reminds Me Of The Last Weeks Of Vietnam DallasNE Jun 2014 #126

Yes, and we'll keep trying. n/t Duval Jun 2014 #127

So how will Congress and the Senate vote this time? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #128

I bet GWB is working his easel overtime. Snarkoleptic Jun 2014 #130

When you fail to teach true history obxhead Jun 2014 #131

sadly, I do not think any of us here are in the least surprised. niyad Jun 2014 #132

It makes me SICK! I've no use for today's "war". AAO Jun 2014 #133

What is happening in Iraq is 100% totally avebury Jun 2014 #135

It was all predictable. MineralMan Jun 2014 #136

The US invaded Iraq on my 35th birthday. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2014 #137

I am especially sad, frustrated and angry liberalhistorian Jun 2014 #139

RW mentality. A guy from Facebook.... Lobo27 Jun 2014 #140

Two facts, sad and true DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #141

Wait, there's more than one kind of Muslim in Iraq? Babel_17 Jun 2014 #144

Of course we were right. aquart Jun 2014 #148

Didn't the British join the three factions into one mwdem Jun 2014 #150

lotsa Ottoman maps MisterP Jun 2014 #152

Punish them by electing more liberal Democrats to every office IronLionZion Jun 2014 #157